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Post by White-Out on Sept 27, 2005 17:20:00 GMT -5
I mean they're attendance is going to be atroushous this year considering they have a horrible team... They will be last in the league imo. They've been losing money for ages now and yet no one thinks they'll relocate???
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Post by bigchris on Sept 27, 2005 18:10:00 GMT -5
The Capitols made a monumental mistake by moving into DC. Every franchise that has played in the city of Washington DC has failed miserably, (including the Wizards WITH MJ.) Why? The Skins are the only thing that matters there.
If the Caps had stayed in Maryland, they'd be crusing right now, even with a bad team but they saw dollar signs in the ghetto of the Nation's Capital and they are a failed franchise as a result.
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Sept 28, 2005 7:59:33 GMT -5
I mean they're attendance is going to be atroushous this year considering they have a horrible team... They will be last in the league imo. They've been losing money for ages now and yet no one thinks they'll relocate??? WinnipegJets: Try ever since they signed Jagr. The Capitals never had a problem drawing fans or making money before the new owner tried to buy the Stanley Cup by sending the team payroll to the moon. BigChris: Are you nutts? Have you ever been to DC? Every team that has played in DC (ok..minus the Senators but that was like 40 years ago.) has done well. The Redskins were Kings of RFK and now the Nationals are the talk of the town. The Caps have the unfortunate honor of playing alot of home games against sunbealt teams that nobody cares about. Before you start proclaiming certain teams as failed franchises try doing some research. The Caps are not some flavor of the month sunbealt team.
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Post by jamiebez on Sept 28, 2005 8:49:28 GMT -5
Washington and St. Louis have both lost a TON of money, but it's because they've overspent on salary for the last 5-6 years or so. Those markets should be able to sustain a $30-40M salary every year, but if you're spending $50-60, you have a problem.
These are the teams that the cap will save. I can't see either moving anywhere. It's the teams spending $25-30M and still losing money (Carolina, Florida, Nashville, even Buffalo) that are in trouble.
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Post by vivianmb on Sept 28, 2005 12:26:54 GMT -5
I mean they're attendance is going to be atroushous this year considering they have a horrible team... They will be last in the league imo. They've been losing money for ages now and yet no one thinks they'll relocate??? WinnipegJets: Try ever since they signed Jagr. The Capitals never had a problem drawing fans or making money before the new owner tried to buy the Stanley Cup by sending the team payroll to the moon. BigChris: Are you nutts? Have you ever been to DC? Every team that has played in DC (ok..minus the Senators but that was like 40 years ago.) has done well. The Redskins were Kings of RFK and now the Nationals are the talk of the town. The Caps have the unfortunate honor of playing alot of home games against sunbealt teams that nobody cares about. Before you start proclaiming certain teams as failed franchises try doing some research. The Caps are not some flavor of the month sunbealt team. aha!!! now that point has never been touched on,whalers has a good point how many teams are lagging in attendance because they get to play carolina x amount of times. nowadays you could get an islanders ticket front row for any one of the southern teams . back in the day all teams kinda sold evenly (except isles/rangers those got snatched right up). caps play in southern division,=less tix sold= less payroll money =less good players = worse team = less tix sold on their road games. are the capitals getting screwed the most? cant argue with it. yet another way the southern experiment has failed us.
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Post by White-Out on Sept 28, 2005 17:01:59 GMT -5
Well Vivian thats right, Less tix sold - less good players - less revenue = failing franchise. Haven't they been losing lots of money too??? I'll have to do a bit of searching on it. So yeah I can say that they are a good candidate for relocation too but who knows lets wait n see how the season plays out right???
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Post by bigchris on Sept 28, 2005 22:04:19 GMT -5
I mean they're attendance is going to be atroushous this year considering they have a horrible team... They will be last in the league imo. They've been losing money for ages now and yet no one thinks they'll relocate??? WinnipegJets: Try ever since they signed Jagr. The Capitals never had a problem drawing fans or making money before the new owner tried to buy the Stanley Cup by sending the team payroll to the moon. BigChris: Are you nutts? Have you ever been to DC? Every team that has played in DC (ok..minus the Senators but that was like 40 years ago.) has done well. The Redskins were Kings of RFK and now the Nationals are the talk of the town. The Caps have the unfortunate honor of playing alot of home games against sunbealt teams that nobody cares about. Before you start proclaiming certain teams as failed franchises try doing some research. The Caps are not some flavor of the month sunbealt team. No disrespect but DC has never, ever supported the Bullets/Wiz and their support of the Caps has been weak for years. The Federals of the USFL also failed to draw, (yes, this was 20 years ago but another nail in the coffin.) I was in Maryland/DC, (spent decent time in DC, Baltimore, Towson and parts of Delaware, long trip,) in 2003 and at 2 different sports apparel stores, not one Caps or Wizards item was to be found but the Skins were everywhere. Nothing against the Skins but I'm just pointing out that DC doesn't seem to place much priority on hockey or even basketball. Again, I think the Caps had a good thing going in Maryland/Baltimore and shouldn't have left.
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Post by hatrick007 on Sept 29, 2005 1:35:15 GMT -5
What year did the Caps move from maryland to DC???
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Post by KillerBrew on Sept 30, 2005 0:30:21 GMT -5
What year did the Caps move from maryland to DC??? 1998. They moved from US Airways Arena (in Maryland) to the MCI Center (in D.C.)
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Post by White-Out on Oct 1, 2005 15:23:32 GMT -5
I'm putting my money on the caps i dont know bout you guys, but this team has not been looked at to seriously as a relocation franchise in the next couple of years.
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Oct 3, 2005 6:32:30 GMT -5
Wont happen
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Post by bigchris on Oct 12, 2005 21:40:54 GMT -5
That Maryland/Virginia market was solid for the Caps, the move to DC city was a move that takes them 35min to over an hour further away than where they were which can be a big jump. Not to mention much higher advertising costs in the main city. Still, I don't see them moving out of the DC/Maryland/Virginia area.
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Oct 13, 2005 9:52:43 GMT -5
That Maryland/Virginia market was solid for the Caps, the move to DC city was a move that takes them 35min to over an hour further away than where they were which can be a big jump. Not to mention much higher advertising costs in the main city. Still, I don't see them moving out of the DC/Maryland/Virginia area. They wont. The Northern Virginia area is one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) growing areas in the United States. When the Caps used to play at the old Capital Center/U.S. Air Arena in Maryland it used to take me about 45 minutes to get there by car. Now they play at the MCI center which is right in the heart of Washington D.C. so If I want to go by car it's another 15 minutes extra driving time. Of course what I do more often than not is take the Vienna Metro right into the Chinatown station which is right under the MCI Center.
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Post by USApegger on Oct 13, 2005 10:03:16 GMT -5
I thought Vegas was the fastest growing area in the US right now. And no NHL team, hope Bettman doesn't find out!!
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Post by hawker14 on Oct 13, 2005 17:22:58 GMT -5
if the capitals are only drawing 10,000 fans per game they could definitely fold or relocate.
will the caps be a stanley cup contender in 2-3 years even with ovechkin ? not likely. ANY team with terrible attendance is a candidate, which is unfortunate for their fans, but it is a fact.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Oct 13, 2005 20:45:29 GMT -5
So far this year they're 28th in attendance. I'm really not worried about this because this will be a poor year for the Caps. I dunno where you idiots are getting your numbers? The past 3 years the Caps hhave been middle of the pack in attendance. Washington isn't going anywhere Leonis is fine financially and they have a low payroll. In a few years they'll be a serious cup contender contrary to what you guys think. After this years draft and the UFA's McPhee is planning to bring in next year we'll be scary. Go bash the Preds or someone else. I hardly see a team who's made the playoffs 18 of the past 22 years moving.
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Oct 14, 2005 6:50:40 GMT -5
The Washington Capitals are not a sunbealt team. Washington D.C. is not a sunbealt market. It actually snows here every year. We dont have to go to a hockey game just to see ice like they do in Florida, Atlanta or Phoenix. If we want to see ice we just look out our window. The Maryland/D.C./Northern Va. area is littered with Ice hockey rinks and roller hockey rinks. People know and play hockey here.
The Washington Capitals didnt come to be during Garry Bettmans southern invasion while he was in pursuit of his big National TV contract. The Caps joined the NHL ranks about 30 years ago....before there was ever an NHL team in Winnipeg.
Leonsis torpedoed this franchise. There are a few other teams in the NHL like the Caps that have been battered by bad ownership.....Chicago, Buffalo. Don't confuse us with markets like Carolina, Florida or Atlanta
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Oct 14, 2005 9:11:53 GMT -5
The Washington Capitals are not a sunbealt team. Washington D.C. is not a sunbealt market. It actually snows here every year. We dont have to go to a hockey game just to see ice like they do in Florida, Atlanta or Phoenix. If we want to see ice we just look out our window. The Maryland/D.C./Northern Va. area is littered with Ice hockey rinks and roller hockey rinks. People know and play hockey here. The Washington Capitals didnt come to be during Garry Bettmans southern invasion while he was in pursuit of his big National TV contract. The Caps joined the NHL ranks about 30 years ago....before there was ever an NHL team in Winnipeg. Leonsis torpedoed this franchise. There are a few other teams in the NHL like the Caps that have been battered by bad ownership.....Chicago, Buffalo. Don't confuse us with markets like Carolina, Florida or Atlanta Thank you!
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Post by hawker14 on Oct 14, 2005 16:08:36 GMT -5
the fact is 10,000 fans will kill any franchise. caps' fans better wake up soon. thinking otherwise will kill the team in DC.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Oct 14, 2005 22:09:15 GMT -5
So they drew 10000 fans for one game... isn't that a little quick to jump the gun. Like I stated before previous years usually see them draw somewhere in the 15000 range which leaves them in the top 7-15 in the league. Even if they have a pour attendance *this* year, it will only be because the team won't be competeing for the playoffs at any time. This might be the case for maybe this year and next year tops but after that look for higher attendances. This year they'll probably end up in the 12000-13000 range.
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