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Post by Tony Season Tickets on Mar 2, 2011 2:59:20 GMT -5
A few things I need to put out there....
I wouldn't be shocked to see the Coyotes sold to someone outside Winnipeg who is willing to pay a premium for a franchise right away. (Quebecor) The new price for the coyotes would have to be increased to cover the additional debt from this season. I am hearing they will lose 45 million this season?? I bet the new asking price will be $190M. Quebecor has the money and are VERY eager to make this happen now. They are putting huge private money into the building of the new rink, this is arena deal in Quebec is a sure thing.
TSNE wins in the end because they purchase the Thrasher for $130-$140M. I can't see Chipman buying a team at more than market value. Ex. anything over $140 for the Coyotes franchse. On top of this the Thrashers franchise is basically the Oilers but 2 years ahead in the rebuild! Hmmm.... It's a no brainer when you consider TSNE is not buying hockey equipment but player contracts.
The Jet-o-meter moved on the day the Thrashers internal legal battles were resolved. People have complained that gongdale is only holding us up. The Coyotes situation gets so much attention because it is the cinderella story but it's crystal clear that TSNE doesn't feel the Winnipeg Jets brand holds any extra value, if it did you wouldn't hear that the team won't be called the Winnipeg Jets. I am confident that TSNE wants the Thrashers and they will get them.
-AM
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Post by pegger5 on Mar 2, 2011 3:08:34 GMT -5
QC gets leftovers- end of story
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Post by Conan on Mar 2, 2011 3:11:01 GMT -5
The last thing Quebec City wants is a team right away. NHL hockey in the Colisee is a money-losing venture. The longer the Quebec group can wait before acquiring a team the better as they wouldn't have to worry about the losses which would occur in that old building.
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Post by CuJo31 on Mar 2, 2011 3:11:11 GMT -5
Well they already have an offer on the table for the Coyotes at $175 million
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Post by mann1986 on Mar 2, 2011 3:15:17 GMT -5
A few things I need to put out there.... I wouldn't be shocked to see the Coyotes sold to someone outside Winnipeg who is willing to pay a premium for a franchise right away. (Quebecor) The new price for the coyotes would have to be increased to cover the additional debt from this season. I am hearing they will lose 45 million this season?? I bet the new asking price will be $190M. Quebecor has the money and are VERY eager to make this happen now. They are putting huge private money into the building of the new rink, this is arena deal in Quebec is a sure thing. TSNE wins in the end because they purchase the Thrasher for $130-$140M. I can't see Chipman buying a team at more than market value. Ex. anything over $140 for the Coyotes franchse. On top of this the Thrashers franchise is basically the Oilers but 2 years ahead in the rebuild! Hmmm.... It's a no brainer when you consider TSNE is not buying hockey equipment but player contracts. The Jet-o-meter moved on the day the Thrashers internal legal battles were resolved. People have complained that gongdale is only holding us up. The Coyotes situation gets so much attention because it is the cinderella story but it's crystal clear that TSNE doesn't feel the Winnipeg Jets brand holds any extra value, if it did you wouldn't hear that the team won't be called the Winnipeg Jets. I am confident that TSNE wants the Thrashers and they will get them. -AM This was a great thread!, I too think Quebecor does have big ambitions, they have been getting the ball rolling........money talks!!!!!.....and believe me if its true that the coyotes have an estimated $45 Million debt this year, we might see bettman following the "green" road east!
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Post by allthisgold on Mar 2, 2011 7:39:28 GMT -5
My understanding is that Quebecor is paying a few million a year for the naming rights on the arena. This is not a significant private investment in the new arena. That is like saying MTS helped build the MTS Center. Sorry but Quebecor's private investment is lacking significantly.
Don't get me wrong, I am cheering for QC right after us.
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Post by sledlen on Mar 2, 2011 7:44:51 GMT -5
Well they already have an offer on the table for the Coyotes at $175 million who does? The Quebecor group? Where was that ever indicated?
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Post by tim on Mar 2, 2011 8:03:54 GMT -5
Well they already have an offer on the table for the Coyotes at $175 million who does? The Quebecor group? Where was that ever indicated? Like to now that too, but it would not surprise me, would clear things up why the urgency to get thing ready in Quebec, and Mark always wanted the A.T.
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Post by fmaximus on Mar 2, 2011 8:29:54 GMT -5
Well they already have an offer on the table for the Coyotes at $175 million who does? The Quebecor group? Where was that ever indicated? I'm pretty sure he meant TN not Quebecor.
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 8:30:09 GMT -5
I dont think you know the Quebec situation very well
stop saying Qc is not ready please
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Post by Grumpz on Mar 2, 2011 8:30:43 GMT -5
A few things I need to put out there.... I wouldn't be shocked to see the Coyotes sold to someone outside Winnipeg who is willing to pay a premium for a franchise right away. (Quebecor) The new price for the coyotes would have to be increased to cover the additional debt from this season. I am hearing they will lose 45 million this season?? I bet the new asking price will be $190M. Quebecor has the money and are VERY eager to make this happen now. They are putting huge private money into the building of the new rink, this is arena deal in Quebec is a sure thing. TSNE wins in the end because they purchase the Thrasher for $130-$140M. I can't see Chipman buying a team at more than market value. Ex. anything over $140 for the Coyotes franchse. On top of this the Thrashers franchise is basically the Oilers but 2 years ahead in the rebuild! Hmmm.... It's a no brainer when you consider TSNE is not buying hockey equipment but player contracts. The Jet-o-meter moved on the day the Thrashers internal legal battles were resolved. People have complained that gongdale is only holding us up. The Coyotes situation gets so much attention because it is the cinderella story but it's crystal clear that TSNE doesn't feel the Winnipeg Jets brand holds any extra value, if it did you wouldn't hear that the team won't be called the Winnipeg Jets. I am confident that TSNE wants the Thrashers and they will get them. -AM Considering the team would be relocated to Winnipeg, which automatically makes it more valuable. How do you know what TNSE's idea of fair market value is? Yes of course, the Coyotes aren't worth $170 million in Phoenix, but how do you know they aren't worth that or more in Wininpeg?
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Post by tim on Mar 2, 2011 8:34:51 GMT -5
I dont think you know the Quebec situation very well stop saying Qc is not ready please I assume you are from Q.c.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 2, 2011 8:41:20 GMT -5
The last thing Quebec City wants is a team right away. NHL hockey in the Colisee is a money-losing venture. The longer the Quebec group can wait before acquiring a team the better as they wouldn't have to worry about the losses which would occur in that old building. They just said that 4-6M would make la Colisee NHL ready while the new arena is being built. They could be ready for next season. Don't be surprised if TWO teams come to Canada for next season.
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Post by tim on Mar 2, 2011 8:43:08 GMT -5
The last thing Quebec City wants is a team right away. NHL hockey in the Colisee is a money-losing venture. The longer the Quebec group can wait before acquiring a team the better as they wouldn't have to worry about the losses which would occur in that old building. They just said that 4-6M would make la Colisee NHL ready while the new arena is being built. They could be ready for next season. Don't be surprised if TWO teams come to Canada for next season. As I posted before "Many things have gone on in this city under the radar regarding bring a team back to Winnipeg for years, and if you didn't look for it you would not find it. Same may be said for Quebec, Arena is now going to be built, Got an owner, Maybe Bettman flew there too and made some promises. Don't fool yourself promises were made here in Winnipeg, or Mark just likes to gamble with his money, you decide."
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 8:48:46 GMT -5
I dont think you know the Quebec situation very well stop saying Qc is not ready please I assume you are from Q.c. Yeah Im sure you will have a team next year But you talking like Quebecor is new, they talking to the NHL since 1 years They have connexion, Marcel Aubut, close friend of Daly and Bettman
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Post by pateramus on Mar 2, 2011 8:54:29 GMT -5
I don't doubt most of this. I've had my suspicions as well of phoenix to QC and Thrashers to us.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 2, 2011 8:54:56 GMT -5
1) Regarding the market value of the Coyotes and moving them here - The market value of the Coyotes has nothing to do with the franchise, they really and truly are NOT worth $1 in their current market, so in that sense, every franchise has the same value to TNSE because they are worth what they are worth in Winnipeg.
2) Atlanta, in my opinion, is nothing like the Oilers but further along in the rebuild. They have a Byfuglin and Kane... and not a heck of a lot else.
3) "Stop saying Quebec is not ready" - I'm sorry, but they are not ready - the building isn't up and if Pepsi Colliseum were NHL ready, what would Quebec be building a new arena for?
The simple fact of the matter is that Quebec City isn't ready. BUT, Brandon could pull in more money with their 5000 seat Keystone Centre than a handful of Southern US teams, so don't get me wrong, they could at least minimize losses in Pepsi Colliseum until they are ready.
The other thing here, is it looks to me (without knowing a ton about the Quebec situation), as if this arena is going to be built for sure. That doesn't mean it's as good as done though, because government funded projects can certainly be delayed by a lot of factors - see the Bomber stadium saga, Rider Stadium saga, Tiger Cats stadium saga.... etc.
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 8:58:32 GMT -5
3) "Stop saying Quebec is not ready" - I'm sorry, but they are not ready - the building isn't up and if Pepsi Colliseum were NHL ready, what would Quebec be building a new arena for? Are you serious? ? Like the Mellon Areana, Rexall place our arena is 61 years old, it need to be replace but it can be used during construction !!
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Post by archiseek on Mar 2, 2011 9:00:10 GMT -5
I imagine the NHL would like to see a hole in the ground before they would agree to the Colisee for two years - like jetsorbust says building projects have a way of being derailed
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Post by jetsfan88 on Mar 2, 2011 9:02:01 GMT -5
Quebec is NOT on the NHL list of locations at this point. I know this for a fact.
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