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Post by luciend on Mar 2, 2011 9:02:06 GMT -5
This thread is a total waste of time.
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 9:04:04 GMT -5
Quebec is NOT on the NHL list of locations at this point. I know this for a fact. OK Your inside source said that but our inside source said, QC is on NHL list WITH Winnipeg Who I trust?
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 2, 2011 9:09:38 GMT -5
3) "Stop saying Quebec is not ready" - I'm sorry, but they are not ready - the building isn't up and if Pepsi Colliseum were NHL ready, what would Quebec be building a new arena for? Are you serious? ? Like the Mellon Areana, Rexall place our arena is 61 years old, it need to be replace but it can be used during construction !! Please go back and re-read the rest of my comment - my point was that 'The Pepsi' would obviously be okay short-term, and definately do better than Phoenix or Atlanta, etc. But obviously Quebec is not "ready", "ready" would mean the arena is complete. If the Pepsi were NHL calibre, you wouldn't be building a new arena. Do you see my point?
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 9:12:31 GMT -5
No because we lost Nordiques because we need a new arena
Now the arena will be built, the old Colisée can be use during the construction
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Post by jetsfan88 on Mar 2, 2011 9:28:22 GMT -5
Quebec is NOT on the NHL list of locations at this point. I know this for a fact. OK Your inside source said that but our inside source said, QC is on NHL list WITH Winnipeg Who I trust? I guarantee my source is MUCH better than yours. Quebec will no doubt have a team in the near future but Not until an arena is well under construction. Ground broken and being built. The NHL will not commit on promises. If they were to relocate a team without an arena already under construction the province has all the power to drag their asses all they want in getting the project done. They may allow a team to play out of the old one for a year MAYBE two max.
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Post by Tony Season Tickets on Mar 2, 2011 9:36:03 GMT -5
My understanding is that Quebecor is paying a few million a year for the naming rights on the arena. This is not a significant private investment in the new arena. That is like saying MTS helped build the MTS Center. Sorry but Quebecor's private investment is lacking significantly. Don't get me wrong, I am cheering for QC right after us. Without a team, Quebecor would pay $33 million for naming rights, annual rent of $3.15 million, and 15 per cent of profits to the city. With a team, naming rights jumps to $63.5 million, rent to $5 million, but the city would take only a 10 per cent cut of profits. You don't think this is significant?? Quebecor will HELP build this arena and will be putting up HUGE dollars to make this happen. And for people to just say that Quebec isn't having serious talks with the league??? We all know how the NHL works.
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Post by 14pac03 on Mar 2, 2011 9:37:02 GMT -5
OK Your inside source said that but our inside source said, QC is on NHL list WITH Winnipeg Who I trust? I guarantee my source is MUCH better than yours. Quebec will no doubt have a team in the near future but Not until an arena is well under construction. Ground broken and being built. The NHL will not commit on promises. If they were to relocate a team without an arena already under construction the province has all the power to drag their asses all they want in getting the project done. They may allow a team to play out of the old one for a year MAYBE two max. Yeah last month was a promise and we know we need a confirmation, but now its the green light for the construction. 2 weeks ago they do a press conference to announce the start of construction Its 100% we will have a new bulding
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Post by CuJo31 on Mar 2, 2011 9:38:50 GMT -5
who does? The Quebecor group? Where was that ever indicated? I'm pretty sure he meant TN not Quebecor. Correct, I was reffering to the comment in the thread that TN would not pay over 140 million for the Coyotes. Considering they already have an offer on the table for $175 M, that is completly false. No reason to be worried about Quebec, no point disscussing it and getting everyone worked up!
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Post by dentifrice on Mar 2, 2011 9:39:51 GMT -5
wow
I can't believe how much BS on QC here...
really, a lot of people don't know anything about what's going on in Quebec city... (by this I mean what really is the deal with Quebecor, you miss a lot of info)
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Post by Tony Season Tickets on Mar 2, 2011 9:40:13 GMT -5
This thread is a total waste of time. Quebec is an emerging relocation possibility. 2 teams could move this year if they have to.
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Post by Tony Season Tickets on Mar 2, 2011 9:50:57 GMT -5
1) Regarding the market value of the Coyotes and moving them here - The market value of the Coyotes has nothing to do with the franchise, they really and truly are NOT worth $1 in their current market, so in that sense, every franchise has the same value to TNSE because they are worth what they are worth in Winnipeg. 2) Atlanta, in my opinion, is nothing like the Oilers but further along in the rebuild. They have a Byfuglin and Kane... and not a heck of a lot else. 3) "Stop saying Quebec is not ready" - I'm sorry, but they are not ready - the building isn't up and if Pepsi Colliseum were NHL ready, what would Quebec be building a new arena for? The simple fact of the matter is that Quebec City isn't ready. BUT, Brandon could pull in more money with their 5000 seat Keystone Centre than a handful of Southern US teams, so don't get me wrong, they could at least minimize losses in Pepsi Colliseum until they are ready. The other thing here, is it looks to me (without knowing a ton about the Quebec situation), as if this arena is going to be built for sure. That doesn't mean it's as good as done though, because government funded projects can certainly be delayed by a lot of factors - see the Bomber stadium saga, Rider Stadium saga, Tiger Cats stadium saga.... etc. Atlanta also has Enstrom (26 yrs) , Pavelec (23 yrs), Ladd (25 yrs) and Bogosian (20 yrs)! Their collective stock continues to rise. Same old deal, because they play in Atlanta many NHL fans don't understand the depth of young talent on this team. Eventually that will be a problem, like in Chicago where they couldn't keep everyone under the cap. Good problem to have though, right??
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Post by matrix on Mar 2, 2011 10:01:45 GMT -5
My understanding is that Quebecor is paying a few million a year for the naming rights on the arena. This is not a significant private investment in the new arena. That is like saying MTS helped build the MTS Center. Sorry but Quebecor's private investment is lacking significantly. Don't get me wrong, I am cheering for QC right after us. Quebecor will pay : without NHL : 110 millions With a team : 190 millions This is not a significant private investment ?? you are kidding.. right ? about the naming rights, look at this : espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/stadiumnames.htmlQuebecor is paying more than the average.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 2, 2011 10:14:18 GMT -5
Not sure why people get so paranoid about QC getting a team? They never deserved to lose their team either.
To me the dots are connecting.
At first the plan was Atl to Wpg. Then the PHX mess comes up. "..Hey TN we might need you take PHX instead. OK?..."
GB SAYS he would like to "undo" what happened to QC and Wpg. So they are both in the plan. QC not ready YET.
Hows this for an idea. Get "someone" to take over PHX for 4-5 yrs while QC gets its arena, move Atl to Wpg now. OR If you can't get someone to run PHX (because of a bond issue?) then next plan is move Phx to Wpg (where they came from) and let Atl play out of the old rink (which would be packed) while the new rink is being built.
If the PHX deal dies I think both teams move. If PHX gets its bonds, either another team goes to QC or MH sells to QC in 4 years and makes a fortune off the CoG deal.
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Mar 2, 2011 10:17:30 GMT -5
Quebec will come back, eventually, we had to endure how much Go Jets Go before a team came, (well they're not even here yet)
be patient, anything can happen
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Post by matrix on Mar 2, 2011 10:21:29 GMT -5
QC not ready YET. == not true.
1) Quebecor said they would accept to play in the old building while the new arena is under construction (1 to 4 years) 2) The Colisée needs 4 to 10 millions to make it NHL rdy and it could be done within a few months. 3) Bettman and Daly said a team could play in the old Colisée.
Quebec is 100% ready now.
btw : OF COURSE WINNIPEG IS FIRST, I don't want to hurt your feelings.
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Post by wpgmike on Mar 2, 2011 10:28:41 GMT -5
How in the world can you say Quebec is 100% ready now, when you readily admit that the Colisee needs 4-10 million to make it NHL ready and could be done in a few months? You contradict yourself.
I do wish Quebec all the luck in the world, but you MUST face reality, that you are NOT even close to being 100% ready.
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Post by tim on Mar 2, 2011 10:30:08 GMT -5
OK Your inside source said that but our inside source said, QC is on NHL list WITH Winnipeg Who I trust? I guarantee my source is MUCH better than yours. Quebec will no doubt have a team in the near future but Not until an arena is well under construction. Ground broken and being built. The NHL will not commit on promises. If they were to relocate a team without an arena already under construction the province has all the power to drag their asses all they want in getting the project done. They may allow a team to play out of the old one for a year MAYBE two max. OK I will settle this you guys tell me your sources and I will tell you who is best!!! ;D
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Post by Ranger on Mar 2, 2011 10:59:04 GMT -5
How in the world can you say Quebec is 100% ready now, when you readily admit that the Colisee needs 4-10 million to make it NHL ready and could be done in a few months? You contradict yourself. I do wish Quebec all the luck in the world, but you MUST face reality, that you are NOT even close to being 100% ready. So you re saying before they started upgrading the Press Box at MTS we weren't even CLOSE to being ready? I think you're looking at this situation thru a straw. Whats going on in the NHL right now involves a lot more than just WPG. Relax, we'll get our team, but that won't be the end of the NHL's problems.
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Post by wpgmike on Mar 2, 2011 11:07:20 GMT -5
How in the world can you say Quebec is 100% ready now, when you readily admit that the Colisee needs 4-10 million to make it NHL ready and could be done in a few months? You contradict yourself. I do wish Quebec all the luck in the world, but you MUST face reality, that you are NOT even close to being 100% ready. So you re saying before they started upgrading the Press Box at MTS we weren't even CLOSE to being ready? I think you're looking at this situation thru a straw. Whats going on in the NHL right now involves a lot more than just WPG. Relax, we'll get our team, but that won't be the end of the NHL's problems. I am relaxed, I'm saying Quebec is NOT 100% ready for the NHL. I'm not looking at it through a straw. Realistically IMO Quebec City is 15% ready for an NHL team. Owner? Arena? Name? I am sorry that it is not 100%. Please provide FACTS with your rebuttal.
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Post by matrix on Mar 2, 2011 11:09:51 GMT -5
How in the world can you say Quebec is 100% ready now, when you readily admit that the Colisee needs 4-10 million to make it NHL ready and could be done in a few months? You contradict yourself. I do wish Quebec all the luck in the world, but you MUST face reality, that you are NOT even close to being 100% ready. Are you stupid or what ? The 4-10 millions investment in the old building will never happen before the NHL accept to relocate a team here
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