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Post by coach on Mar 10, 2011 16:34:27 GMT -5
Considering we are on a Return of the Jets site and not a Return of the NHL site should speak volumes. If that doesn't the 77% approval rate of the Jets name does. Especially when doesn't matter could include the Jets name as well.
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Post by danequin on Mar 10, 2011 22:36:50 GMT -5
You can only use the name Jets if its Phoenix if its ATL then to use the jets name it would be wrong as it would not be the Jets...if Phoenix comes back it would be stupid to use anything else...Who does own the name Winnipeg Jets anyways
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Post by DKehler on Mar 13, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -5
(transferred from locked thread) Like I've said before, nine different cities that have lost their teams once before have regained NHL franchises. Of those nine, only one has gone with the original name, the Ottawa Senators. Of the remaining 8, 6 have done a fantastic job of supporting their franchise despite the change in identity. The two exceptions are Quebec, who may have a third chance at a team in the somewhat near future, and Atlanta who should never have been given a second chance. And neither the Nordiques nor Thrashers failed/are failing because they weren't named the Bulldogs/Flames. So simply by looking at history and recognizing that none of those six other markets suffered because their new team wasn't named the Rockies/Seals/Quakers/Pirates/Eagles/North Stars, then you can make an obvious and educated assumption that it will have little net impact on our new team as well. The only thing that makes this an issue at all, is that the team may be Phoenix, which comes with those banners. But if Chipman decides not to name the team the Jets, even if he does inherit the banners, history shows it will not significantly hurt his bottom line. In fact, new identity means increased Jersey and merchandise sales, so it may wll bnefit the team and make it more viable. And isn't a viable team in Winnipeg what we ALL want? This has been discussed at length, but some of the teams you mentioned had other reasons for not going with the original name, such as, the original name was still in use (Minnesota) or, as you say, it was not the same franchise. Either way, I would argue that Winnipeg IS a special case. Try to deny that the loss of the Jets affected Winnipeg in a way that is like no other. I guess you could say the Baltimore Colts, but again, they couldn't go with Colts because the name was still in use. A new logo and jersey, but maintaining the Jets name, I would argue, gives you the exact same benefits as a new name in terms of merchandising opportunities. Whatever you lose from people keeping their old Jets jersey, you gain by exciting and reconnecting with people from all over the world that are loyal to the original brand. No, I have no numbers, but neither do you when you say that a new identity will automatically translate to greater merchandising sales.
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Post by DKehler on Mar 13, 2011 14:33:06 GMT -5
And another good point that was raised on the Winnipeg Sun comments section that I haven't seen discussed much here: We all pretty much agree that if we do get an NHL team, it will need to be supported through thick and thin. One way to bolster that is to tap into the existing loyalty that automatically comes with the Winnipeg Jets name. Building a deep emotional connection takes time. Sure, the diehards will accept any name that comes along with the NHL logo, but will the more casual fans? I'm not only talking about attendance either.
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Post by jetter on Mar 13, 2011 16:16:04 GMT -5
First off, let's hope we get to the stage of having the issue of naming a new NHL team in Winnipeg.
Second, the name simply must be the "Winnipeg Jets". Anything else will automatically divide and alienate a good chunk of the existing fanbase. It will create ill will and negative feelings towards the team during what should be a full on ecstatic celebration. For good or bad, our city's pro team name is the Winnipeg Jets.
And I HATE/loathe/detest/deplore the idea of the "Manitoba _____". However, I fear that TNSE will stoop to this format (e.g. "Manitoba Moose") with the erroneous idea that this will "include everyone" - therefore will be a lure to get people from every corner of the province to spend their cash on the team. It's about the cash. Come on - I think people who live in Manitoba are aware that Winnipeg is the capital city of their province, and felt just as much ownership over "their" old team as Winnipeggers did. This would be lame pandering.
No other team in Canada is named after a province. The Jets put the city of Winnipeg into the consciousness of people in many, many places around the globe.... essentially free marketing for our city. This will be lost if the name changes to the "Manitoba _____". There is an aura in the name "Winnipeg Jets" that will be lost even by switching to "Manitoba Jets". It's just not the same.
Lastly, if for some godforeasken, Go Jets Go reason they do change the name, I could *maybe"... *possibly... *eventually*... come to terms with the Winnipeg Falcons. There is some elegance and power to it. The Victorias sounds like what it is - some antiquated team name from a time before electricity and talking pictures. Dusty and lame.
But if they go with something that sounds like some lame American farm team like the "Manitoba Blizzard", "Manitoba Frost" or whatever - and I am not kidding - I will not support this team. I will buy season tix and give my life blood for the Jets... but I won't for the "Blizzard". It means that much to me... not kidding.
So, keep it the Winnipeg Jets.... same colours, update the classic 70's logo and the wound from the team being ripped away may begin to finally heal.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 13, 2011 16:23:44 GMT -5
First off, let's hope we get to the stage of having the issue of naming a new NHL team in Winnipeg. Second, the name simply must be the "Winnipeg Jets". Anything else will automatically divide and alienate a good chunk of the existing fanbase. It will create ill will and negative feelings towards the team during what should be a full on ecstatic celebration. For good or bad, our city's pro team name is the Winnipeg Jets. And I HATE/loathe/detest/deplore the idea of the "Manitoba _____". However, I fear that TNSE will stoop to this format (e.g. "Manitoba Moose") with the erroneous idea that this will "include everyone" - therefore will be a lure to get people from every corner of the province to spend their cash on the team. It's about the cash. Come on - I think people who live in Manitoba are aware that Winnipeg is the capital city of their province, and felt just as much ownership over "their" old team as Winnipeggers did. This would be lame pandering. No other team in Canada is named after a province. The Jets put the city of Winnipeg into the consciousness of people in many, many places around the globe.... essentially free marketing for our city. This will be lost if the name changes to the "Manitoba _____". There is an aura in the name "Winnipeg Jets" that will be lost even by switching to "Manitoba Jets". It's just not the same. Lastly, if for some godforeasken, Go Jets Go reason they do change the name, I could *maybe"... *possibly... *eventually*... come to terms with the Winnipeg Falcons. There is some elegance and power to it. The Victorias sounds like what it is - some antiquated team name from a time before electricity and talking pictures. Dusty and lame. But if they go with something that sounds like some lame American farm team like the "Manitoba Blizzard", "Manitoba Frost" or whatever - and I am not kidding - I will not support this team. I will buy season tix and give my life blood for the Jets... but I won't for the "Blizzard". It means that much to me... not kidding. So, keep it the Winnipeg Jets.... same colours, update the classic 70's logo and the wound from the team being ripped away may begin to finally heal. When people have come on and said this type of thing in the past, many people get angry at them and say things like "you're not a true fan". But in my opinion, it doesn't matter what we think of someone who won't support a team if the name changes, what matters is that there truly are people out there like that. And isn't this debate about what is going to be best for the team? (And what we personally want?) I have said it in the past, I know at least a few other people who feel the same way, and have told me they wouldn't support the team if it isn't called the Jets. Why take that chance? And for me personally, I will be buying season tickets no matter what. But if the team is not called the Jets, it won't be the same and I will be a bit disapointed. I suppose eventually I may get over it, but I don't know... not soon anyways. My point? I will buy season tickets no matter what the name. But if they aren't called the Jets, that will probably translate into less merchandise that I'll buy, because I truly won't be excited about any name other than Jets. I could even live with Manitoba Jets, but I agree with people who say there's nothing to gain by naming it Manitoba vs Winnipeg.
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Post by winnipegjets2011 on Mar 13, 2011 16:27:44 GMT -5
It's gotta be Jets. Don't mess with a good thing. On the jersey topic, simply change the team color like vancouver did. How many old canucks jerseys do you see in the crowd? Was at a Canucks game a while back and the place was filled with new shirts, jerseys, hats... etc. This is the solution that will make everybody happy. The Jets lovers will get their name and those that want a fresh start will get a new team jersey with a new color set.
Keep the tradition, WinnipegJets 2011
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Post by Comrade Fox on Mar 13, 2011 16:38:06 GMT -5
If it's not Jets, I like the following:
Winnipeg Warhawks Manitoba Mustangs
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Post by jetsaholic on Mar 14, 2011 2:52:38 GMT -5
Manitoba Warriors
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Post by coach on Mar 14, 2011 3:17:36 GMT -5
First off, let's hope we get to the stage of having the issue of naming a new NHL team in Winnipeg. Second, the name simply must be the "Winnipeg Jets". Anything else will automatically divide and alienate a good chunk of the existing fanbase. It will create ill will and negative feelings towards the team during what should be a full on ecstatic celebration. For good or bad, our city's pro team name is the Winnipeg Jets. And I HATE/loathe/detest/deplore the idea of the "Manitoba _____". However, I fear that TNSE will stoop to this format (e.g. "Manitoba Moose") with the erroneous idea that this will "include everyone" - therefore will be a lure to get people from every corner of the province to spend their cash on the team. It's about the cash. Come on - I think people who live in Manitoba are aware that Winnipeg is the capital city of their province, and felt just as much ownership over "their" old team as Winnipeggers did. This would be lame pandering. No other team in Canada is named after a province. The Jets put the city of Winnipeg into the consciousness of people in many, many places around the globe.... essentially free marketing for our city. This will be lost if the name changes to the "Manitoba _____". There is an aura in the name "Winnipeg Jets" that will be lost even by switching to "Manitoba Jets". It's just not the same. Lastly, if for some godforeasken, Go Jets Go reason they do change the name, I could *maybe"... *possibly... *eventually*... come to terms with the Winnipeg Falcons. There is some elegance and power to it. The Victorias sounds like what it is - some antiquated team name from a time before electricity and talking pictures. Dusty and lame. But if they go with something that sounds like some lame American farm team like the "Manitoba Blizzard", "Manitoba Frost" or whatever - and I am not kidding - I will not support this team. I will buy season tix and give my life blood for the Jets... but I won't for the "Blizzard". It means that much to me... not kidding. So, keep it the Winnipeg Jets.... same colours, update the classic 70's logo and the wound from the team being ripped away may begin to finally heal. When people have come on and said this type of thing in the past, many people get angry at them and say things like "you're not a true fan". But in my opinion, it doesn't matter what we think of someone who won't support a team if the name changes, what matters is that there truly are people out there like that. And isn't this debate about what is going to be best for the team? (And what we personally want?) I have said it in the past, I know at least a few other people who feel the same way, and have told me they wouldn't support the team if it isn't called the Jets. Why take that chance? And for me personally, I will be buying season tickets no matter what. But if the team is not called the Jets, it won't be the same and I will be a bit disapointed. I suppose eventually I may get over it, but I don't know... not soon anyways. My point? I will buy season tickets no matter what the name. But if they aren't called the Jets, that will probably translate into less merchandise that I'll buy, because I truly won't be excited about any name other than Jets. I could even live with Manitoba Jets, but I agree with people who say there's nothing to gain by naming it Manitoba vs Winnipeg. I agree not naming the team the Jets will lose some fans. The new owners obviously have final say however, as a business it would be foolish to go against what a large majority of the fans want (In My Opinion). That said I haven't earned 23 billion like Thomson so what do I know.
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Post by DKehler on Mar 14, 2011 11:27:53 GMT -5
When people have come on and said this type of thing in the past, many people get angry at them and say things like "you're not a true fan". But in my opinion, it doesn't matter what we think of someone who won't support a team if the name changes, what matters is that there truly are people out there like that. And isn't this debate about what is going to be best for the team? (And what we personally want?) I have said it in the past, I know at least a few other people who feel the same way, and have told me they wouldn't support the team if it isn't called the Jets. Why take that chance? And for me personally, I will be buying season tickets no matter what. But if the team is not called the Jets, it won't be the same and I will be a bit disapointed. I suppose eventually I may get over it, but I don't know... not soon anyways. My point? I will buy season tickets no matter what the name. But if they aren't called the Jets, that will probably translate into less merchandise that I'll buy, because I truly won't be excited about any name other than Jets. I could even live with Manitoba Jets, but I agree with people who say there's nothing to gain by naming it Manitoba vs Winnipeg. I agree not naming the team the Jets will lose some fans. The new owners obviously have final say however, as a business it would be foolish to go against what a large majority of the fans want (In My Opinion). That said I haven't earned 23 billion like Thomson so what do I know. I highly doubt Thomson cares one way or another what the name is. My guess is that it's all coming from Chipman.
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Post by mcguire4 on Mar 14, 2011 12:07:24 GMT -5
aww now dont go and start that Chipman is to blame here! on one hand you are prasising him for bringing an NHL team to Winnipeg, but then on the other hand you are trying to villanize him if the name isnt Jets. thats not fair
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 14, 2011 12:14:48 GMT -5
aww now dont go and start that Chipman is to blame here! on one hand you are prasising him for bringing an NHL team to Winnipeg, but then on the other hand you are trying to villanize him if the name isnt Jets. thats not fair I don't think anyone is villainizing him, but if the team comes back that will be largely thanks to Chipman. If the team is not named the Jets it will be largely because of Chipman. Whatever people choose to think of that is up to them, but it's pretty clear he deserves (and gets) praise from all ROTJers. But if people don't like the name that falls on his shoulders as well.
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Post by mcguire4 on Mar 14, 2011 12:21:12 GMT -5
i would suggest that we wouldnt even have a name debate if it wasnt for Chipman. he can call the team whatever he likes.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 14, 2011 12:27:40 GMT -5
i would suggest that we wouldnt even have a name debate if it wasnt for Chipman. he can call the team whatever he likes. Well, I would suggest that we wouldn't be having the name debate if it weren't for all of Chipman's customers who have supported his business ventures, in particular the Moose and MTS Centre. Now, if he's bringing back the NHL and giving tickets out for free to everyone, I would be inclined to agree that he can call them whatever he wants. But if he's charging market prices to his customers, in the hopes of running a profitable business, than I think customer satisfaction is quite important. Don't get me wrong, once he brings the Jets back Chipman would have my vote for mayor or PM if he wants, but let's not act like he's gifting this team to the city. It is a business venture and as future season ticket holders or even casual fans who watch games on TV, we are all contributing to the team coming here and staying in this fine city.
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Post by DKehler on Mar 14, 2011 12:30:18 GMT -5
i would suggest that we wouldnt even have a name debate if it wasnt for Chipman. he can call the team whatever he likes. I'm not villainizing or blaming him. Just stating my opinion as to who I think is ultimately behind the decision. You don't seem to disagree as per your statement that "he" can call the team whatever he likes.
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Post by canadiensfan on Mar 14, 2011 12:46:16 GMT -5
If it's the Coyotes that come to Winnipeg, call them the Jets. If it's the Thrashers, I'd probably still name them the Jets as long as the Coyotes stayed in Pheonix. If the Coyotes left Pheonix for somewhere else while the Thrashers moved to Winnipeg, I'd call them the Moose or the Falcons.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 22, 2011 13:55:56 GMT -5
Just wanted to say that I noticed they had a poll on power 97 about what name people would prefer.
Again, Jets won hands down and since I never even saw that poll mentioned on this site (and it's now over) I don't see how it could be terribly biased.
Give the people what they want!
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Post by LT on Mar 22, 2011 14:05:13 GMT -5
Just wanted to say that I noticed they had a poll on power 97 about what name people would prefer. Again, Jets won hands down and since I never even saw that poll mentioned on this site (and it's now over) I don't see how it could be terribly biased. Give the people what they want! I hope so too but I have also heard it's the Moose. He's a pretty reliable source but I choose to still hold out hope for the Jets.
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Post by wpgmike on Mar 22, 2011 14:06:32 GMT -5
Just wanted to say that I noticed they had a poll on power 97 about what name people would prefer. Again, Jets won hands down and since I never even saw that poll mentioned on this site (and it's now over) I don't see how it could be terribly biased. Give the people what they want! Ummm... How did they word the question?!?!?!? lol, just making light of the nay-sayers.
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