Herman
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Post by Herman on Jan 5, 2005 23:49:46 GMT -5
The record might get broken but if there's still no NHL it will definitely get broken.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 6, 2005 1:05:12 GMT -5
I definately think so. I think it will be their mission to break it. Even if they don't they'll make a hella lot of money!!
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Post by Yar on Jan 6, 2005 1:09:42 GMT -5
i think vancouver is going to do a really good job with next years tourny. did any body else hear that iihf is thinking about hosting the tourny in canada every year? that would be sweet.
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Post by devin1487 on Jan 6, 2005 1:17:57 GMT -5
Why are they only thinking about this now, ive thought it should be held in canada every year for the longest of times. they actually get crowds over 200 here
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Post by Other on Jan 6, 2005 1:40:44 GMT -5
Okay, first off Trevor, just to be clear, this is not meant to make light of your predictions for the game, I respect that you had the guts to predict it that way.
However after being at the game and seeing the game, there is only one Russian player that in my mind deserves any credit and this is Malkin. He was the one player that didn't give up, he was also the only Russian I saw hang on to the puck and stay his course, get rocked, but make the pass and gave his team a much needed scoring chance.
I question the severity of Ovechkin's injury, I think it was more hurt pride and ego then a hurt shoulder. Sure it may have been sore but I can guarantee that if it was a 4-1 Russia game he'd have stayed in the game regardless.
I do however believe he'll learn a valuable lesson from this tournament and that is respect is to be earned not given. He had to come up three times on his own at the end of the game, the first two times he was booed mercilessly, the third time it was to get the Silver Plate and he was hessitant, he looked at his teammates as if to say someone else please go. It was only after the hessiation that that the fans applauded and he came back.
Hopefully he'll have learnt from this experience and it will better him down the line.
Going back to the Russians though, I'm sorry but what a team of Chickenshits. That was the difference in the game from my eyes. Countless dumps into the Russian zone and the defender slows up to let the Canadian player go in first and get the puck, tries to hit him, doesn't and Canada gets control, instead of going in, playing the puck, taking the hit and getting the puck moving back out of their zone.
Open ice, everytime a Russian touched the puck it seemed he was soon juking and jumping and just getting the heck out of dodge with no care about the puck or the play they could and should have made.
Also some of the calls in that game were very questionable, a couple of what looked to be pretty obvious dives watching the game live were called as penalities against Canada, one of which led to Russia's only goal.
Turning point in the game was clearly the 5-3 powerplay for Russia, had they been able to score it was 1-1 and a new game, they didn't and Russia went into preservation mode instead of playing their game.
Dominating performance by Canada, because they weren't afraid to make the hit or take the hit if it meant moving the puck up ice, where the Russians clearly were more concerned with avoiding the hit altogether.
Best Hit of the game in my eyes was when one of the Russians tried to dodge a Canadian check and turned into another Canadian who leveled him.
Best Play of the game had to be the Dawes pass to Stewart, this happened at the end I was sitting at and you could see it developing before they crossed the blue line and were already on our feet before the pass. Perfect pass and a perfect deflection.
Also don't kid yourself that the score shouldn't have been worse, it could have easily been 10-1 as the fans clearly wanted it as chants of "We Want 10" broke out, but Sutter played all 4 lines through the entire 5 minute power play and seemingly just killed off the third period, taking few chances and rolling the puck into the corner on times when they would have drove the net hard.
After the Russian's ran up the score with empty net goals against the States it would have been easy for Canada to sink to that level and get into a shot out trying to embarase the Russians, instead they got their lead and played smart hockey and ended up embarising them anyways.
Last point, the Russians seemed utterly intimidated by the noise and the crowd, during warm up the Russians actually spent time to line up and watch the Canadians warm up. They should have came out first after all intermissions but after being loudly booed at the start they tried to come out the same time as Canada did.
Fun times, I'll leave it at that.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 6, 2005 1:46:43 GMT -5
Jeff I definately agree with you bang on with all the points you made. Sure he might not have been hurt that bad. But with his stock in the NHL and the fact the game was severely out of reach I think he decided to take the 3rd off. He was quite emotional so I feel this tournament really mattered to him. I also think this will show him that he will need to grow up a bit to be in the NHL and I'm sure he will as did Ilya Kovalchuk. I still love the guy and think he's a priceless talent. I respect all your views and if you feel Sidney is better then I'll debate you till the cows come home. Not to be a Go Jets Go, but for the sake of livelyness to the board. I just get cheesed when people go hatin' on me or givin' me a bashin'! Jeff you're lucky you were at the game, I would have paid an arm and a leg to go! ;D
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Post by Other on Jan 6, 2005 20:39:13 GMT -5
Jeff I definately agree with you bang on with all the points you made. Sure he might not have been hurt that bad. But with his stock in the NHL and the fact the game was severely out of reach I think he decided to take the 3rd off. He was quite emotional so I feel this tournament really mattered to him. I also think this will show him that he will need to grow up a bit to be in the NHL and I'm sure he will as did Ilya Kovalchuk. I still love the guy and think he's a priceless talent. I respect all your views and if you feel Sidney is better then I'll debate you till the cows come home. Not to be a Go Jets Go, but for the sake of livelyness to the board. I just get cheesed when people go hatin' on me or givin' me a bashin'! Jeff you're lucky you were at the game, I would have paid an arm and a leg to go! ;D After checking my pocket book from that trip that might have been a better form of payment In my eyes there is one other player in this tournament that will rank up with Crosby and Ovechkin in a few years and that is Kessel of the States. Very similar to Crosby just a bit more bulk on his body so should be a bit more durable. He's not at their level yet, but he could be soon.
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 6, 2005 23:00:21 GMT -5
hey trevor.with all due respect.if this ovekitkiv.isnt really hurt,i mean hurt bad, then how does a captain of a team 5000 miles from home abandon ship on his mates?thats cheesy. i hope for, that reason only, that he did have a legitimate injury or he's a coward.and he lacks heart.that reputation is going to follow him to the nhl.if he is really injured i wish him (and his ego ) a speedy recovery.jagr,kovalev,ovekitcin.....who's the next ultra talented flake to come over.and yes i agree malkin is the real deal.and i gotta admit you really stuck your chin out with your prediction.you knew it would be unpopular, but you stuck by it.maybe you should teach okevitch about guts,and pride.seems youve got some to spare.
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Post by Other on Jan 7, 2005 2:16:10 GMT -5
One thing to realize when dealing with players from Russia, Finland, Sweden etc is they are brought up alot differently from those in Canada.
In Canada, we coach our kids to play the body, play a system etc. The skills are taught but not to the same extent in other places.
Russia has always been about passing, and shooting and scoring, the finesse side of the game.
Sometimes finesse will beat out hard checking hockey, other times it won't. I think these differences in the way Nations raise their players is what makes International Hockey so exciting.
That's not to say that all Canadians throw hard checks and don't play with finesse, there is obvious exceptions for that, same for the Europeans.
The point I'm trying to make is Oveckin hurt or not has not had to play much hockey where he has been hit and hit hard. If he's to succeed in the NHL he will have to learn that he's gonna be hit and get mentally and physically tougher. That's a lesson he should learn from this tournament and I hope for his sake he has.
The worst thing you can do in a hockey game is to be afraid, if you play with fear you've already lost. That Russian team was scared the moment they stepped on the ice and almost got booed out of the arena.
You have to realize that these are young players who have never before played in front of a crowd like that. To judge anyone by one game is ludicrus.
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Post by Y2Jets on Jan 7, 2005 13:41:43 GMT -5
When i read that article, Im like what!! there is no way USEH sold more tickets then us, but they gave free bees away which makes sence. Hmm DOES THAT SOUND FIMALIAR(NHL). Also On this vancouver, yes they will break halifax's record. they have more seats then halifax and winnipeg. They will sell out every canada game. and im sure average good crowds against fins sweds usa russia czechs. Halifax and Winnipeg dont stand a chance, unless Winnipeg gets a chance again.
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Post by Other on Jan 7, 2005 14:37:12 GMT -5
They broke our record because we came down and got tickets, plus the Americans went to some games too. Had we not gone down, it would have been an awfully weak turn out.
So in essecence, we really broke our own record.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 7, 2005 16:02:02 GMT -5
When is the possibility of the World Juniors coming back to Wpg? Like 2009?
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Post by Other on Jan 7, 2005 22:36:27 GMT -5
Would probably go to Quebec, Calgary or Edmonton, Ottawa etc before it came back to Winnipeg.
They like to spread it around as much as possible.
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Herman
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Post by Herman on Jan 8, 2005 0:01:23 GMT -5
I think Quebec will be the next canadian city to host the world juniors. After that if we still don't have an NHL team I think Winnipeg will be next, becoming the first canadian city to host it twice.
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Post by Paul on Jan 10, 2005 13:23:41 GMT -5
Sorry I'm really late in commenting about this game. I've been away for the past week.
I wanted to send out a big congratulations to Team Canada on their Gold Medal victory in the 2005 World Junior Hockey Tournament!
You deserve to have the champions right there at home, well done. There was little coverage if any on this game here. In fact, because I missed out on seeing the game on TV, I didn't know the final result until the next day.
Kudos go out on my part to all you Canadian fans that turned out in numbers to attend the tournament and especially the championship game. Yes, your presence certainly helped in Grand Forks' success as host, but don't underestimate the American involvement. Attendance at Team USA's games fell just short of complete sellouts, but they were loud when it mattered most. Unfortunately, when the team fell on hard times and ultimately lost, the enthusiasm naturally took a hit. But, USA Hockey will only get better.
It is a wonderful sight to see the amount of support and passion you have not just for your national Junior team, but for the game as a whole. I'm envious of it, but if I was a Canadian citizen, I'd be right there celebrating as well. But, as an undenible diehard hockey fan in the United States, all that matters is that I love the game and nobody can take it away from me.
Thank you for making it a great tournament and I hope that in addition to the Canadian hockey cities bidding for future tournaments, I hope it makes it way to the northeastern United States as well as in Minnesota (the largest American hockey hotbed) soon.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 11, 2005 1:18:20 GMT -5
Paul well said. This was one of the best World Juniors for Canada in awhile. The competition was a little poor though! Next year will be really fun to see with the possibility of only 2 returning members to the squad! Anyone wanna start placing bets!?
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Post by Other on Jan 11, 2005 13:22:22 GMT -5
Paul well said. This was one of the best World Juniors for Canada in awhile. The competition was a little poor though! Next year will be really fun to see with the possibility of only 2 returning members to the squad! Anyone wanna start placing bets!? I'll step up now and be willing to say Finland will be in the final next year.
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Post by PitbulI on Jan 11, 2005 14:48:48 GMT -5
If the NHL is back by next years World Juniors, I see the Chechz,USA, Russia, Canada all being in the final four as last year was. I do believe though that the Chechz will be powerful.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 11, 2005 17:29:39 GMT -5
I'm with Jeff on this one. I see the Fins in the final...UNLESS they're in the same pool as USA or Russia.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 12, 2005 1:02:43 GMT -5
Oh my... it looks like the Moose fan has emerged from his coccun with a new pic.. and what a pic! Eat your hearts out Crosby fans! ;D
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