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Post by dracula on Jan 10, 2011 22:34:35 GMT -5
While everyone's wondering whether Wpg. gets the Thrashers or Coyotes, I'm wondering what will happen to the Moose.
My "two cents" says strike a deal with Fargo, ND.
Advantages/Benefits: i) close by for player call-ups ii) helps establish southern portion of the Jets' "footprint" for greater marketing purposes iii) supposedly Fargo has an arena which is similar (though not as opulent) to Grand Fork's Englestad Arena iv) should be supported by AHL as they would have another "American" franchise
Mingle & discuss ! ;D
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Post by hairytoews on Jan 10, 2011 22:35:46 GMT -5
burn the uniforms and try to forget.
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Post by ReJ40 on Jan 10, 2011 22:36:58 GMT -5
Ship the whole thing to Phoenix. Let them build a hockey fanbase and maybe in 30 years they can come back when they actually take it seriously.
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Jan 10, 2011 22:43:03 GMT -5
phoenix doen't think an ahl team is an option its either nhl or close arena
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Post by ReJ40 on Jan 10, 2011 22:47:09 GMT -5
I sure would take an AHL team (even if it is temporarily) before turning that big place into a white elephant. At least it fills up 40 nights a year with SOMETHING!
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Post by Ric O. on Jan 10, 2011 22:47:25 GMT -5
burn the uniforms and try to forget. Yes.
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Post by Z on Jan 10, 2011 22:49:26 GMT -5
burn the uniforms and try to forget. No way. I was in the Moose store to buy my kid a mascot toy and hockey stick (his nickname is Moose), and I was looking at those jerseys. I thought they were pretty sweet. I was actually tempted to buy a game worn for $225, and I don't follow them, or know who's on the team beyond Nolan Baumgartner. But those antler numbers and letters need to go though.
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Post by astrosnut5 on Jan 10, 2011 22:54:02 GMT -5
Who cares!? jj
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Post by pank on Jan 10, 2011 22:59:40 GMT -5
I think Chipman will sell them to the Victoria group due to their working relationship and in order to please Vancouver for a variety of reasons (BOG votes, NHL trades). The franchise is still affiliated with Vancouver, and there would need to be some switching of affiliation deals to get a team in Fargo or somewhere close. We may have to live with Chicago or San Antonio as an affiliate for a bit (not that those will be bad choices for affiliates).
I really hope that even if people don't enjoy the AHL brand of hockey that they can appreciate the role the Moose had in bringing the NHL back. If not for the Moose playing at the AHL level, I doubt Chipman would have been able to develop the relationships at the NHL level, due to those leagues working closely together. If Winnipeg had a team in the WHL, I don't think Chipman would have positioned himself so favourably in terms of landing a big league club. I think these relationships, along with the fact the TNSE has gained valuable experience managing a pro hockey team has helped put us #1 in terms of relocation.
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Post by dracula on Jan 10, 2011 23:02:09 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my intent for this thread is not so much for the well-being of the Moose, but how where they go will most benefit the pro team in Wpg .
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Post by Ric O. on Jan 10, 2011 23:12:56 GMT -5
I think Chipman will sell them to the Victoria group due to their working relationship and in order to please Vancouver for a variety of reasons (BOG votes, NHL trades). The franchise is still affiliated with Vancouver, and there would need to be some switching of affiliation deals to get a team in Fargo or somewhere close. We may have to live with Chicago or San Antonio as an affiliate for a bit (not that those will be bad choices for affiliates). I really hope that even if people don't enjoy the AHL brand of hockey that they can appreciate the role the Moose had in bringing the NHL back. If not for the Moose playing at the AHL level, I doubt Chipman would have been able to develop the relationships at the NHL level, due to those leagues working closely together. If Winnipeg had a team in the WHL, I don't think Chipman would have positioned himself so favourably in terms of landing a big league club. I think these relationships, along with the fact the TNSE has gained valuable experience managing a pro hockey team has helped put us #1 in terms of relocation. I don't like Moose or AHL hockey at all (for Winnipeg), and yet I agree with all of your points.
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Post by percymogey on Jan 10, 2011 23:13:39 GMT -5
Just like Old Yeller... When it's no good anymore you take it out back and shoot it... Gimme the gun, I'll do it for free.
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Post by cougar222 on Jan 11, 2011 0:20:48 GMT -5
Just to clarify, my intent for this thread is not so much for the well-being of the Moose, but how where they go will most benefit the pro team in Wpg . How will where the Moose go benefit the Winnipeg NHL team in any way? They belong to the Canucks who are the Winnipeg/Manitoba NHL team's rival. They will probably go to Victoria and will be our enemy. The new Winnipeg/Manitoba NHL team will take over the AHL team of Phoenix (San Antonio) or Atlanta (Chicago) and when that AHL team plays the Moose we won't be hoping for the Moose anymore.
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Post by jetstar on Jan 11, 2011 1:03:28 GMT -5
I think Chipman will sell them to the Victoria group due to their working relationship and in order to please Vancouver for a variety of reasons (BOG votes, NHL trades). The franchise is still affiliated with Vancouver, and there would need to be some switching of affiliation deals to get a team in Fargo or somewhere close. We may have to live with Chicago or San Antonio as an affiliate for a bit (not that those will be bad choices for affiliates). I really hope that even if people don't enjoy the AHL brand of hockey that they can appreciate the role the Moose had in bringing the NHL back. If not for the Moose playing at the AHL level, I doubt Chipman would have been able to develop the relationships at the NHL level, due to those leagues working closely together. If Winnipeg had a team in the WHL, I don't think Chipman would have positioned himself so favourably in terms of landing a big league club. I think these relationships, along with the fact the TNSE has gained valuable experience managing a pro hockey team has helped put us #1 in terms of relocation. I don't like Moose or AHL hockey at all (for Winnipeg), and yet I agree with all of your points. I agree with all of Pank's points, and I too don't like the ahl in the aspect that it isn't the nhl, but that's not their fault. The moose and the league filled a much needed void. And to go back even further, without the IHL moose, we wouldn't have made the jump to the AHL at the time of the merger. To dislike the ahl because of the product is ignorant and reveals yourself to be a poor hockey mind. The hockey itself is of a real high quality. 2nd best in world by a mile. Again, though, if your dislike is simply because its not the nhl, then thats ok, but don't blame the moose or the ahl for being what they are. A similar comparison can be made between the cfl and nfl. By your avatar, I can guess what your opinion of the cfl is. Many love the cfl for what it is, even though the quality of player is much lower than the nfl.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 11, 2011 22:27:08 GMT -5
TN owns the Moose though and hasn't it been stated that their is an out clause in their agreement with the Canucks in the event of an NHL team coming here?
Would TN not have the option to keep the Moose as the farm team to the Winnipeg NHL franchise? I know they'd have to find it a home but wasn't that rumoured to be Thunder Bay?
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Post by Comrade Fox on Jan 11, 2011 23:02:52 GMT -5
ST JOHN'S, NEWFOUNDLAND.
Yes, I said it. They need a tenant for Mile One badly. The Fog Devils are in Verdun now as the Montreal Junior.
Speaking of the Q, not to get off topic, but did anyone else hear about/see the performance PEI goalie Evan Mosher put on tonight against Saint John? 65 saves and still got the shootout loss.
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Post by dlegras on Jan 12, 2011 2:57:16 GMT -5
It kind of sucks hearing people talk the way they do about the moose. Don't get me wrong I enjoy NHL hockey more then AHL, but without the moose I bet we wouldn't be considered for a franchise. I guess I feel like they are apart of Winnipegs history and they were there when the nhl wasn't, we should treat them with more respect.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 12, 2011 3:24:20 GMT -5
There is no question without Mark Chipman and the Moose there would be not MTSC and the impending return of the NHL.
I went to one Moose game in my life as part of a work function. I just cant get interested in the team or the league. In fact, I was more interested in the league when it was the farm system for OUR NHL team.
But if they announced tomorrow the NHL was back for sure this season, I could see myself going to more Moose games, for a couple of reasons.
It would suddenly seem okay to embrace the AHL and not have a weird sense of guilt about it, like I was giving up on "the dream".
And, the Moose really would deserve a "season to remember" and I truly think they'd be able to sell a ton of tickets if marketed as the Moose's final season asking NHL fans to come out and thank the franchise for making the return of the NHL a possibility.
With Mike Keane night coming up (I believe that is the weekend the IEH idiot is in town), that would be a wonderful time to announce the return of the Jets.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Jan 12, 2011 10:52:44 GMT -5
I've embraced the ahl, partially because wbs is affiliated with pittsburgh.
But then again, I don't think the NHL is coming to Northeastern PA anytime soon ;D
I'd say: 1) St. John's Newfoundland 2) Billings, Montana (they do have an arena that had a WHL team for a while) 3) Moose to Abbotsford and Heat to Red Deer
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Post by dlegras on Jan 12, 2011 14:59:04 GMT -5
Just seems like a lot of people refuse or can't hold any interest in AHL, then what makes us think that the AHL would work in Glendale. Being a hockey market a lot of us can't seem to make it to a moose game, imagine a market like Glendale.
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