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Post by kj79 on Jan 11, 2011 20:13:21 GMT -5
makes me think of our own "dump"
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 11, 2011 22:24:45 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear the team and city came to an agreement. I am a bit worried it will get all those crazy people here going about how we could have just renovated Canad Inns Stadium instead of building a new one. But it sounds like Hamilton will get their state of the art stadium AND keep their legacy at Ivvor Wynn.
Good for them.
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Post by yukonjoe on Jan 24, 2011 15:55:35 GMT -5
QC, Ottawa and somewhere in the Atlantic. Anchorage is actually an interesting idea. As a Yukoner, I've been to Alaska a number of times. It isn't actually that big a city - couple hundred thousand I think (286,000 according to wiki) - and that is the majority of the state's entire population. It doesn't have a football stadium (heck - I think the U of A - Anchorage Seawolves don't even play football). And more than that - it's really, really far away. You don't really get a sense of distance unless you've been up here. Even from Whitehorse, Anchorage is about an 18 hour drive. From Vancouver, Toronto is almost as close as Anchorage is. |
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ahhh pfft Hawerchuk woulda had it!
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Post by teamjetskurt on Feb 10, 2011 21:41:14 GMT -5
Here's a thought... West Victoria, BC, Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatchewan, Winnipeg East Hamilton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Atlantic (Halifax/Moncton) Only real places to expand in West are Victoria or Saskatoon. Both teams in those provinces carry the province moniker (BC & Saskatchewan) so a name change is needed. Which seems odd. I agree with Z - as we've seen in Wpg - the stadium is the biggest issue. You'd need to build a stadium for other alternatives - soccer teams, university football, etc. That's why Victoria (UofV soccer/rugby or MLS team), Quebec (laval/future Olympics venue) and Halifax (St. Mary's) makes the most sense to me when building stadiums. And these stadiums would then be used for a CFL team moving forward. A 12 team league would be outstanding and definitely a coast to coast Canadian league. Sounds good! In the west, i agree with Victoria, Van, Edm, Cal, Regina and Wpg, but I'd add Saskatoon (that province could support 2 teams!) and possibly Kelowna, to make 3 teams in B.C(if Victoria, then why not interior B.C?) In the East: Hamilton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Atlantic (Halifax/Moncton), as you said, but I'd also include London. Maybe a team each in Halifax, and Moncton. Who knows?, its fun to dream, Great for Football Canada on all levels. More Canadian teams with more Canadian players. |
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Post by shtinky on Feb 10, 2011 21:46:02 GMT -5
All you really need are 10 teams to spice things up. Basically Halifax or Quebec, whichever builds a stadium first (Ottawa is getting a team back already).
Top three teams in each five-team division make the playoffs. I like it.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Feb 10, 2011 21:57:30 GMT -5
Man, if us in NEPA could get a stadium in the Scranton area... could be cool. I'd still be a Bomber fan. Us here love football.
Before the population argument is brought up, the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton/Hazleton metro area's population is around 650,000.
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Post by moosehorn on Feb 26, 2011 9:40:39 GMT -5
the ufl wont fail it will become an 8 team minor league because the players union wants it
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Post by WpgJets2008 on Feb 26, 2011 10:55:09 GMT -5
I too think that the CFL would do well to SLOWLY expand into other Canadian cities first, possibly US border towns second.
Ottawa, Halifax are no brainers.
Quebec City and London or Kitchener/Waterloo are strong considerations.
If Halifax comes in then Moncton is left in the cold.
I really fear about tearing Saskatchewan loyalties in half by placing a team in Saskatoon.
And I don't know that Victoria is the most logical spot within BC. It might be Abbotsford, Kamloops, etc.
Then there are the larger border towns where Canadians are accepted. Fargo is bigger than either Regina or Saskatoon. Several spots in New York state might offer the same link. There might be more support for other locales that border BC, AB and SK.
This would be akin to how the Cdn. junior hockey kleagues have slowly added US border towns and would have the greater chance for success since those folks relate to Canadians.
I do agree that deep South US expansion in the 90's was the cash grab to float the entire league. But it was destined to fail as the connection was more two different leagues than one north and one south division.
Oh how I want more teams to end the schedule where we play Hamilton 4 times a season, with those four games spread over 5 or 6 games.
Chris
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Post by shtinky on Feb 26, 2011 11:50:07 GMT -5
^ Exhaust the Canadian possibilities first before looking at the US border towns. But that said, the junior hockey teams provide a good model, that is true. There are some cities that seem like logical destinations - perhaps Windsor (feeding off Detroit), Buffalo (if it loses an NFL team), cities in the Pacific Northwest.
A team in Saskatoon would be a bad idea. As someone else pointed out, it would be like giving a NFL team to Milwaukee - all you'd do is cut off the Packers (or in our case, the Riders) at the knees.
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Post by yukonjoe on Mar 3, 2011 17:07:13 GMT -5
A team in Saskatoon would be a bad idea. As someone else pointed out, it would be like giving a NFL team to Milwaukee - all you'd do is cut off the Packers (or in our case, the Riders) at the knees. You say that as if it is a bad thing... |
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Post by shtinky on Mar 3, 2011 17:13:15 GMT -5
A team in Saskatoon would be a bad idea. As someone else pointed out, it would be like giving a NFL team to Milwaukee - all you'd do is cut off the Packers (or in our case, the Riders) at the knees. You say that as if it is a bad thing... LOL... touché. I'm just thinking of the good of the league!  |
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Post by wallyweir on Mar 4, 2011 7:49:01 GMT -5
Interesting post.
I believe the CFL will never never put its fingers on US soil again.
Before thinking about expansion, other questions need to be adressed. Rules requires a minimum number or canadian born players. Do we have enough talented canadian born players to add a couple teams? I do not know, may be, may be not.
I think Ottawa should have never lost its team. I remember the Als agains Riders made great games, recal the black helmets with white R, those were the years..
Moncton is not far to be ready. Big interest, college football culture, it would work.
Living in Quebec, I can tell you the Laval university stadium is not big enough, and will probably never be. This would require a new stadium, money etc... and the current energy and efforts are totally into bringiing back NHL. My conclusion is there will not be CFL in Quebec city, despite how fun it would be.
I went to MTL last august and watch the Bombers against the Als at McGill. What a beautiful place it is now, awesome stadium..
My 2 cents.
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Post by shtinky on Mar 4, 2011 10:01:37 GMT -5
^ Hard to blame QC for chasing the NHL since it is historically a hockey town first. Football has only become a big deal there in the last decade, and it will take many more decades before it can even come close to the stature that hockey enjoys.
It's a bit of a different story in Halifax. Football's roots run deep there, and there is no chance at the NHL. The CFL is really the only major league that Halifax will have a shot at in our lifetimes, and it seems a bit sad that they can't get their act together to build a new stadium.
People across Canada generally love Halifax and put down Winnipeg, but who got an arena and stadium built with the NHL set to return? For such a beloved city, Halifax does not have any "can do" spirit at all.
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Post by kj79 on Mar 6, 2011 14:42:11 GMT -5
Has Ottawa started with their construction?
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Post by shtinky on Mar 6, 2011 19:40:58 GMT -5
Has Ottawa started with their construction? A lobby group is suing the stadium players to prevent the Lansdowne Live project. The project is tied up until the litigation plays itself out. In classic Canadian style, everything has to be fought tooth and nail with a sufficient number of lawyers enriched before any sports facility can ever get built. At least we know it isn't just Winnipeg  |
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Post by mcguire4 on Mar 7, 2011 0:30:01 GMT -5
is Fargo really larger than Regina or Saskatoon?....i have a hard time believing that.
i thought Fargo was closer to size with Brandon actually.
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Post by 22Neufeld28 on Mar 7, 2011 0:37:12 GMT -5
is Fargo really larger than Regina or Saskatoon?....i have a hard time believing that. i thought Fargo was closer to size with Brandon actually. According to Wiki,the met pop of Fargo is just over 200.000.So that would make it bigger then Regina,but smaller then Toon Town. |
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Post by shtinky on Mar 7, 2011 9:45:15 GMT -5
is Fargo really larger than Regina or Saskatoon?....i have a hard time believing that. i thought Fargo was closer to size with Brandon actually. According to Wiki,the met pop of Fargo is just over 200.000.So that would make it bigger then Regina,but smaller then Toon Town. Americans count their cities a bit differently - the entire counties that Fargo and Moorhead are situated in are used to get that total. So it isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison. Regina is significantly larger. (Fargo itself only has 99,000 people...) Fargo is a non-starter as a CFL market. They already have their own longstanding college team. No way are they big enough to support a pro team as well. |
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Post by Pokey on Apr 16, 2011 16:43:59 GMT -5
According to Wiki,the met pop of Fargo is just over 200.000.So that would make it bigger then Regina,but smaller then Toon Town. Americans count their cities a bit differently - the entire counties that Fargo and Moorhead are situated in are used to get that total. So it isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison. Regina is significantly larger. (Fargo itself only has 99,000 people...) Fargo is a non-starter as a CFL market. They already have their own longstanding college team. No way are they big enough to support a pro team as well. About the Fargo argument: To clear up the popuation debate: (It was funny for me reading someone saying Fargo was closer in size to Brandon. Even Grand Forks is significantly larger than Brandon) Fargo-Moorhead's metro is about 209,000, but that's the population of two counties (Cass and Clay). That's how they count metro areas in the States. Fargo-Moorhead's urban area population, that is, all the cities in the urban agglomeration that connect each other, is about 180,000. (Fargo has 106,000, Moorhead has 38,000, West Fargo has 26,000 etc.) Comparably, the city PROPER of Regina is at about 190,000 I blieve, and their metro is 215,000. So F-M and Regina are INCREDIBLY similar in population. Saskatoon (265,000 metro) is marginally bigger than both. About the CFL: NDSU Bison football rules the city. Many games sell out at the Fargodome (19,000+), usually home openers and homecoming, but some games that occur during deer hunting opener weekend (deer hunting is an official religion in ND) have as little as 13-14,000 attendance. In any case, it's the most popular sports team in the state (due to game attendance), despite what UND hockey fans will tell you. The Fargodome was originally designed to seat 30,000 and, besides house NDSU football, attract a CFL franchise, believe it or not. The mayor at the time, John Lindgren (bastard) did not even want a new indoor stadium for NDSU built at all, citing stupid out-dated economic arguments, even though 15,000 seat Dacotah Field (which was already literally crumbling back then) did not make sense for the team to continue playing there. So what happened was a compromise, 19,000 seats for football and make it more condusive for concerts. It was not constructed for the CFL. The walls of the field area are literally 20 feet behind the sidelines and less than 15 feet behind the endzones. A CFL field will not fit inside. Football fans in Fargo are WAY more interested in seeing NDSU move up to college football's highest division (called FBS) than seeing a CFL franchise. As am I. I personally think the CFL needs to stay in Canada, and Canada only. |
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Post by ReJ40 on May 1, 2011 12:07:17 GMT -5
I really feel like the CFL should expand to the Atlantic region very soon. I know I might be a bit biased living here, but I can tell you first hand that the need for a true pro sports franchise is real here. Think of all the other provinces and they all have pro teams. NHL, CFL, MLS, whatever. Atlantic?.............. none. Nothing at all... and we want to see us go up against Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Ottawa.... see how we measure up would be fun to join the party. We sat at the door waiting to get in for long enough. Now, the Halifax vs Moncton debate is very simple. They are roughly on equal footing geographically and demographically because Halifax has a bigger metro (375,000), but less population outisde the city limits and overall less (~825,000) within 2.5 hours drive which seems to be the key distance. Moncton has a smaller metro (~125,000), but more cities within reasonable distance which gives the city 1.3 million people within 2.5 hours drive. Corporate support I think is more Atlantic region and not just from Moncton or Halifax. It will/can come from all over the region. For comparison, Regina has 175,000 metro, and ~950,000 within 2.5 hours. The real big difference is that Halifax can't seem to get everyone on board with the idea of a stadium and a team. For a long time now, there has been a lot of NIMBYism ("not in my back yard") and a lot of old cranky people that don't think anything can get done around there and will block anything proposed on the basis of taxes or whatnot. The city felt they would get events over Moncton by default because we are "small potatoes" and they are "the biggest city east of Quebec dontcha know?", and now that Moncton has it's act together and everyone is onboard with the idea, we are getting it done and Halifax is not sure how to react to it. Football is big there, but it is HUGE here. Plus, the whole city is behind this idea and it just seems to work so far. People see the benifit and we can certainly support a team. Sometimes I just wish the rest of Canada (and in particular the CFL) could see it. Another sold out game and more events will only convince them that much more. Ottawa for 2013, Moncton by 2015, Quebec City by 2020. Then either Victoria/Halifax/Saskatoon/Anchorage/Windsor as a 12th team after that. That would be my perfect CFL. |
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