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Post by therocket on Apr 18, 2011 21:43:38 GMT -5
Its in the proper thread. Whats the big deal? yeah, you are correct. i am sorry.
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Post by shirokov on Apr 23, 2011 5:18:05 GMT -5
Absolutely the Jets. I'd love if they could bring back the Selanne-era jerseys as well. Nothing would be better than to see the return of the Jets. There's so much history, so much nostalgia. Seeing the team as it looked in 1996 return home would frankly bring a tear to my eye.
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Post by chamele0n on Apr 27, 2011 17:54:33 GMT -5
With all the Thrashers talk, the name "Winnipeg Phoenix" is even more appropriate and just like with the Falcons, honours its avian legacy.
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Post by Nikolai on May 12, 2011 3:32:15 GMT -5
The Winnipeg Falcons would be an awesome name, and it would make perfect sense when Atlanta relocates. I could really only see getting the Jets name if you got Phoenix back.
I LOVE the old North Stars logo, and I loved cheering for "the Stars," but we couldn't have it with Dallas taking it. I didn't like the "Wild" name for years, but it grew on me. I think, no matter what ends up being picked, you'll be the same way. You'll wear the colors, you'll cheer the name, you'll feel just like you did with the Jets as we did with the 'ol North Stars.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 12, 2011 8:44:47 GMT -5
The Winnipeg Falcons would be an awesome name, and it would make perfect sense when Atlanta relocates. I could really only see getting the Jets name if you got Phoenix back. I LOVE the old North Stars logo, and I loved cheering for "the Stars," but we couldn't have it with Dallas taking it. I didn't like the "Wild" name for years, but it grew on me. I think, no matter what ends up being picked, you'll be the same way. You'll wear the colors, you'll cheer the name, you'll feel just like you did with the Jets as we did with the 'ol North Stars. For most fans from Winnipeg I would agree, probably eventually we would all cheer for the team regardless of name. But the 2 biggest things that I see as a problem with a new name are: 1) Alienating a "world-side fanbase". There are Winnipeg/Manitoba ex-pat's all over the country and all over the world. I think it's fair to say that many of them would take a trip home to take in a good 'ol "Jets" game one last time, but that they wouldn't feel the same allegiance to a new team. 2) A temporary problem of Peeving off some die-hard fans. The amount of people who would actually be upset, and how upset they would be is up to debate, but I think it's hard to argue that naming the team anything but "Jets" will upset at least SOME people SOMEWHAT. For me personally, I've got the money for season tickets in the bank and will be purchasing them regardless of name. But if they come back as the Jets, I'll be buying tons of merchandise with the new logo/colours/whatever. If it's another name, I simply won't be that into it and I'll probably just wear some of the dozens of jerseys/sweaters/shirts that I have of the old Jets logo that I have. Those are the legit reasons why I think it would be a mistake to change the name, and it could be summed up by simply calling it "brand power". The Jets is already a powerful brand, around the world I think many hockey fans would buy a "Jets" hat or shirt or something when the ROTJ is announced, but will a New Yorker or a guy in Toronto be excited enough about the Manitoba Mustangs or something to buy a hat? Simply put, the Jets is a powerful brand recognized all over the world, why rebuild a new brand when you can capitalize on what you already have? And from a more personal side of things, I just think Wpg or Manitoba FALCONS is completely stupid, ESPECIALLY if we get Atlanta because then it just seems like we're copying the name of the football team from the city we got a team from... I don't know I used to think Falcons was a good 2nd or 3rd choice but the more I hear it the more I dislike it...
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Post by gilligan on May 12, 2011 9:54:43 GMT -5
jetsorbust, I agree with everything you're saying.
I'm one of those fans outside of Manitoba. The Jets were my team back in the day, partially due to proximity, but that wasn't all there was to it. Their last playoffs really cemented it for me, especially the one incredible game by Khabibulin. The Jets were undoubtedly my team.
I never thought I'd get the chance to cheer for them again. I know it'll be different players and possibly a different franchise, but it'd still be very exciting to get the chance to cheer on the Jets again. Even though I don't live anywhere near Winnipeg anymore.
If they go by a different name, I'll still be happy for Winnipeg that they're getting a team. They just won't be "my" team if they are not the Jets. So I won't be buying their stuff, cheering them on, etc. I'd simply have no reason to cheer for them - no conneciton. I suppose it isn't logical, but it rarely is when it comes to brand power.
That is why companies spend so much on branding to begin with, and that is why an established brand can be so valuable all on its own. Companies are sometimes bought solely to take on their brand name. Which makes it so strange that TNSE is so anxious to avoid a name that brings them instant brand power, and all of the emotional attachment and loyalty that comes with it. Most companies would kill for that opportunity.
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Post by LT on May 12, 2011 10:16:31 GMT -5
I love these name discussions probably more than some on here:) I find it really interesting with all the different beliefs and thoughts. Many have the same beliefs that it really should be the Jets just as I do but I really have let myself wander into thinking what if it's the Falcons? at first I hated it, it just didn't make sense but if you look at history with the Winnipeg Falcons being the first ever Canadian hockey team to compete at the Olympics and the uniform crest was a bright red maple leaf, well that kind of intrigues me. Would this not bring a feeling of pride in Canada to have our team with a red maple leaf on it? Screw the Leafs, it's not copying as we had it first and ours would be red not blue.
I hope it's the Jets but from all indications I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 12, 2011 10:24:10 GMT -5
I love these name discussions probably more than some on here:) I find it really interesting with all the different beliefs and thoughts. Many have the same beliefs that it really should be the Jets just as I do but I really have let myself wander into thinking what if it's the Falcons? at first I hated it, it just didn't make sense but if you look at history with the Winnipeg Falcons being the first ever Canadian hockey team to compete at the Olympics and the uniform crest was a bright red maple leaf, well that kind of intrigues me. Would this not bring a feeling of pride in Canada to have our team with a red maple leaf on it? Screw the Leafs, it's not copying as we had it first and ours would be red not blue. I hope it's the Jets but from all indications I'm not holding my breath. Regarding the name Falcons: I used to think Falcons was a good choice (if it HAD to be something other than Jets). But the more I hear the name the less I like it. Especially if we take a team from Atlanta who has the Atlanta Falcons... i don't know, I can't totally put my finger on it but there's just something off about that. And as far as the jersey goes, I hadn't thought about it a lot but now that you brought it up, I don't think we could pull off the maple leaf! I would like as I'm about as pro-Canada as you can get, but I think realistically we would just be viewed as copying the Leafs. I heard somewhere that a Falcon can fly at up to 300 km's per hour when in a downward swooping attack.... well a Jet can go faster!
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Post by gilligan on May 12, 2011 13:18:56 GMT -5
I guess the other thing is, if it is really the Thrashers, the "baggage" that people were worried about with the Coyotes franchise is no longer an issue.
Creating the "new" Jets would still be a great way to create a fresh start for NHL hockey in Winnipeg.
If they don't go that direction and come out with a new name, I wonder if a season of "Go Jets Go" chants drowning out the rest of the crowd would be enough to change their mind? It isn't entirely unthinkable that it'd happen, at least for the first while.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 12, 2011 13:24:36 GMT -5
I guess the other thing is, if it is really the Thrashers, the "baggage" that people were worried about with the Coyotes franchise is no longer an issue. Creating the "new" Jets would still be a great way to create a fresh start for NHL hockey in Winnipeg. If they don't go that direction and come out with a new name, I wonder if a season of "Go Jets Go" chants drowning out the rest of the crowd would be enough to change their mind? It isn't entirely unthinkable that it'd happen, at least for the first while. It would DEFINATELY happen. I mean, I don't know if that's such a terrible thing, but it would certainly speak to what the fans want. I agree with you regarding the name/fresh start. Realistically, no matter what team we get and no matter what we call it, every TV and Radio station will be doing a montage of the "old Jets" and transforming into the new team. We will all remember the past and be reminded of the past regardless... so why not keep all of the proud moments from the past and connect them to our new team moving forward?
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Post by iliketherangers on May 16, 2011 18:06:37 GMT -5
TOP 3: blizzard, tundra, bison. do not name them the falcons, it's so not original!
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Post by Denny1982 on May 16, 2011 18:15:28 GMT -5
My picks :
Retain the Jets obviously, but I believe TNSE would make much more money off of new jersey's with a new name and logo.
- Winnipeg Wolverines - Winnipeg Warriors - Manitoba Ice (Polar Bear Logo) Or my favorite, the Manitoba Spirited Energy. <----- A Joke
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Post by Kenny S on May 16, 2011 18:30:10 GMT -5
Anything but the Moose!
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Post by thesaurus on May 16, 2011 21:43:51 GMT -5
Top three choices:
Manitoba Royals (Polar Bear as logo) Manitoba Marauders (Viking as logo) Manitoba Blizzard (Snow storm etc.)
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Post by jetsorbust on May 16, 2011 21:52:50 GMT -5
Top three choices: Manitoba Royals (Polar Bear as logo) Manitoba Marauders (Viking as logo) Manitoba Blizzard (Snow storm etc.) 1) Winnipeg Jets 2) Manitoba Jets 3) Manitoba Mustangs
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Post by jetsorbust on May 16, 2011 21:54:13 GMT -5
My picks : Retain the Jets obviously, but I believe TNSE would make much more money off of new jersey's with a new name and logo. - Winnipeg Wolverines - Winnipeg Warriors - Manitoba Ice (Polar Bear Logo) Or my favorite, the Manitoba Spirited Energy. <----- A Joke I still think that they would make the most money by giving people what they want, and that is the Jets. Re-do the logo, jerseys and even colours. But by bringing back in the Jets, you capitalize on a huge brand name known around the world!
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Post by razorsedge on May 16, 2011 22:22:33 GMT -5
Manitoba Gunners
Or
Manitoba Swamp Donkeys
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Post by 22Neufeld28 on May 16, 2011 22:28:50 GMT -5
Im thinking,monster,snow,something that sounds like Jets.Hmmmm the Manitoba Yeti's-lol come on,How many team names start with a Y.
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Post by DKehler on May 16, 2011 23:16:40 GMT -5
Once again, for those making the same old arguments, I will post the same refutations.
Argument:
The name is meaningless in the whole scheme of things. We will get used to anything in time.
Refutation:
Branding is EXTREMELY important in today's world. Ask any marketing expert. We already have an NHL brand that was and is much loved and popular, and most importantly, is recognized all over the world. It is inadvisable to fix something that isn't broken.
Argument:
True North is paying big money to bring a team here, so they can name the team whatever they want.
Refutation:
Obviously, True North will be the ones who ultimately decide what the team is named. However, let's not forget that the people purchasing the tickets, merchandise etc. (the buyers of the product) are the ones who will ultimately make or break the success of the team financially. A good business knows what its customers want and provides it to them. For a team in Winnipeg to be successful, it needs every bit of support possible. Whether you agree or not, there are people out there that will either support the team this or not at all if they do not feel reconnected to the team, and naming the team the Winnipeg Jets facilitates that.
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Post by Yar on May 16, 2011 23:51:09 GMT -5
For obvious reasons, I am really hoping for the team to be named Winnipeg Jets. However, I was watching a show about some Canadian hockey history on the weekend on CBC and there was a segment on the Falcons. It was really well done and after watching it, I am now more than ok with the name Winnipeg Falcons. As for the team colours, I hope they keep the Jets colours being red, white and blue. Then they could put a fighter Jet patch on the shoulder to kinda bridge the transition from Jets to Falcons. Remember, the F-16 fighting Falcon is both a Jet and a Falcon. Its the perfect transition. Just my two cents.
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