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Post by mann1986 on May 17, 2011 0:00:28 GMT -5
whatever its going to be called its already decided......when you have an ownership team planning for years, i'm sure they have already crossed the name bridge a while ago, realistically there is a good chance for it to be the manitoba moose, more so than the Jets I think. but a new brand such as falcons would be cool, all the small easy ends of this whole deal have been worked out, they obviously wouldn't wait till the last minute.
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Post by mann1986 on May 17, 2011 0:01:40 GMT -5
to add........it be kinda cool if we do get atlanta and they reveal the jerseys and name at the draft after mark chipman announces our 1st round draft pick!!!!
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Post by Bob E on May 17, 2011 0:12:01 GMT -5
Personally, a fresh start might be the easiest to do - but it's hard to turn your back on the Jets brand. anything but Moose would work for me.
The original Jets' history is associated with the Yotes, so it's more difficult to recapture a 'Jets' brand when that history is shared with another team. Though in 30 yrs, it would be difficult to separate the pre-Phoenix Jets from the new Thrasher Jets. They would all be Jet memories. Very similar to the Cleveland Browns. The Browns history is Cleveland's. Not partly Baltimore - its solely Cleveland. Perhaps that may help the Yotes, too, if we recapture our Jets brand. They can once and for all shed any reference to the Jets, be just the Coyotes. Currently, whenever they talk about yotes team records, it's referenced against former Jets team records (good or bad). Perhaps, they (NHL or Phx) wouldn't feel the need to do that anymore.
Sorry, but the Moose is such a lame name for an NHL team. You need a team name that Manitobans support and feel passionate about. Reading the posts on this site, and comments from friends, the Moose name isn't something that people are passionate about. They like it, don't get me wrong, as it's all we have right now, but they are not emotional about it.
The Jets were AVCO cup champs, played an exciting european style and joined the NHL with those Jets memories. Sadly the team was completely gutted. But we were proud of our squad and passionate. The Moose will always be a farm team where we really don't know who's coming or going in the line-up. Not easy to get emotionally attached when that happens. I'd argue the only person attached to the Moose brand is a 10 yr old kid. Anyone over 15 likely isn't emotionally attached to the Moose. For hockey traditionalists, Moose is a tough sell. Jets is their #1 choice for sure.
Anyway, for me it's Jets first or complete fresh start second. Like Falcons, Ice. And think a polor bear in the logo would be very 'cool' and very Manitoban.
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Post by Bob E on May 17, 2011 0:21:25 GMT -5
Why does every thread turn into a name debate? Because there are a large percentage of the people on this site passionate about a NHL team. The name and brand mean something to them. It represents our province and city around the world, that much we know. They want to know what it will be and have strong opinions one way or the other.
I agree that this has likely been discussed at length by TNSE officials, and will be a very important decision. I'm sure they've wrestled with the Jets name, and based on comments from DF have moved away from it. I've seen the MC interview from a few years back where he believes a fresh start may be best. If it's not Jets, i hope it's a complete new start.
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Post by ld87 on May 17, 2011 1:22:25 GMT -5
It would be the stupidest move ever to not name the new team 'the Jets'. Even to the point where I could see some pretty hardcore fans boycotting... Especially if they get named something stupid like the Polar Bears. I'm pretty sure somewhere out there, there is probably an children's ice fishing team called the polar bears.
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Post by prariefire on May 17, 2011 7:47:06 GMT -5
Hey when you spend 170 million you can name the team anything you want as far as I am concerned
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 7:54:49 GMT -5
Hey when you spend 170 million you can name the team anything you want as far as I am concerned I understand your point, but at the same time, we the fans are going to be paying enough for tickets to make the team profitable. With gate revenue of even $40 Million, that means within 10 years we'll have spent $170 Million almost 3 times over in the first 10 seasons, and that's not even factoring in concessions, merchandise and other money we will spend on the team. As I've tried to say a million times, I not only appreciate what TNSE has done (or is about to do) but I actually will pretty much see them as gods soon. But it doesn't change that it makes sense to give the fans (or PAYING CUSTOMERS) what they want! In the end I want whatever is best for the team. Although the name likely won't make a huge difference either way (at least in the long term), I see there as being more to lose by alienating at least part of a world-wide fan base right off the hop... so why take that chance? Just give the fans what they want and you will be rewarded TNSE! (and as an aside, I still think the "fresh start" idea is completely stupid! Just my opinion, but really should we change the name after every bad season?)
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Post by gilligan on May 17, 2011 11:00:46 GMT -5
Frankly, if it weren't for TNSE's silly idea that they need a fresh start, I don't think there would even be a name debate in Winnipeg.
Look at Quebec - nobody is suggesting that the team should be anything but the Nordiques, even though it won't be their original franchise returning if they get a team. There is no "name debate".
Same would've been true in Winnipeg. Most of Canada had just assumed that they'd be the Jets. Many will still be shocked when they're not.
I truly believe TNSE will be losing out on a lot of merchandise sales by not going with the Jets. The new stuff won't sell nearly as well as Jets 2.0 would. They should also be prepared for backlash from a portion of the fans over the decision, and for the "Go Jets Go" chant to continue on regardless of the team name.
I can't quite fathom why they'd want to risk starting out with an adversarial relationship with some of the region's NHL fans, but I guess that is their decision.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 11:09:19 GMT -5
Frankly, if it weren't for TNSE's silly idea that they need a fresh start, I don't think there would even be a name debate in Winnipeg. Look at Quebec - nobody is suggesting that the team should be anything but the Nordiques, even though it won't be their original franchise returning if they get a team. There is no "name debate". Same would've been true in Winnipeg. Most of Canada had just assumed that they'd be the Jets. Many will still be shocked when they're not. I truly believe TNSE will be losing out on a lot of merchandise sales by not going with the Jets. The new stuff won't sell nearly as well as Jets 2.0 would. They should also be prepared for backlash from a portion of the fans over the decision, and for the "Go Jets Go" chant to continue on regardless of the team name. I can't quite fathom why they'd want to risk starting out with an adversarial relationship with some of the region's NHL fans, but I guess that is their decision. Well put, I couldn't agree more. Remember everyone, the time for reckoning seems to be fast approaching! Sign DKehlers petition while you still can! www.gopetition.com/petition/39649.html
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Post by thanatos on May 17, 2011 11:22:05 GMT -5
This all makes me laugh...like we could rather not have a team period. Seriously people boycotting cause it's not the jets? The jets never won diddly jack Go Jets Go. Plus the NY Jets have that name claimed and their J E T S JETS JETS JETS can't be beat. Fresh start...its the 21st century the jets are last century/millenium. May they rest in peace... It's time to move on and rally our new team. Just be thankful that we would have an NHL team. All the people who are upset well think of how upset you'll be when we lost the team a second time because people couldn't get over the name. Call them the pink lightning for all I care it will be our team and that's all that matters.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 11:28:17 GMT -5
This all makes me laugh...like we could rather not have a team period. Seriously people boycotting cause it's not the jets? The jets never won diddly jack Go Jets Go. Plus the NY Jets have that name claimed and their J E T S JETS JETS JETS can't be beat. Fresh start...its the 21st century the jets are last century/millenium. May they rest in peace... It's time to move on and rally our new team. Just be thankful that we would have an NHL team. All the people who are upset well think of how upset you'll be when we lost the team a second time because people couldn't get over the name. Call them the pink lightning for all I care it will be our team and that's all that matters. No offense, but you couldn't be more wrong in what you wrote: 1) Almost no one has said they will boycott the team based on the name (although I think a some people lean that way) 2) The Jets had plenty of success. They won AVCO cups, beat the "un-beatable" soviet team, set Rookie scoring records, etc. 3) As I said, the Jets actually WERE successful in many ways. But even if they weren't, what does that matter? Are you suggesting the name is the reason why they didn't win a cup? As far as the support thing goes, I will say this for myself personally. I have the cash in the bank, and I will be buying a season ticket for the team. I'll be attending all 41 games and so I don't see how anyone can question my support, but go ahead if you want to. That said, if it's Jets 2.0 I will absolutely be buying a new jersey (or 2) and tons of merchandise to set up a whole Jets themed basement, Xmas/bday gifts, etc. If the name is falcons or anything else stupid, I will be a bit let down. You can tell me I'm stupid if you want, but it's the truth. I won't buy a new jersey for a team name that I think was a mistake. And I would wager that I won't be alone, but speaking for myself anyways I can tell you this is a fact.
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Post by gilligan on May 17, 2011 13:07:04 GMT -5
That said, if it's Jets 2.0 I will absolutely be buying a new jersey (or 2) and tons of merchandise to set up a whole Jets themed basement, Xmas/bday gifts, etc. If the name is falcons or anything else stupid, I will be a bit let down. You can tell me I'm stupid if you want, but it's the truth. I won't buy a new jersey for a team name that I think was a mistake. And I would wager that I won't be alone, but speaking for myself anyways I can tell you this is a fact. I've actually heard this a fair bit now. And it makes sense. It isn't stupid, even though it is illogical. That is how brands work. For a new one, it takes time for people to truly buy in and feel the same connection. There will be initial excitement regardless of what the name is (though perhaps more if it were the Jets returning). But there will be a period where some people are not buying into the new name, and therefore not spending. I think eventually the people of Winnipeg would come around to a new name - in fact that is inevitable too. But it could come very slowly. It really depends on a lot of factors, both on and off the ice. Success obviously allows for it to come quicker, like say the Avs in Denver. But conversely, excessive losses, or worse yet some sort of scandal, can be devastating. An established brand can surivive it far more easily (see Toronto Maple Leafs & losing).
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Post by gilligan on May 17, 2011 14:53:16 GMT -5
Seems the majority of people here are in two camps:
1. They care about the name of the team, and are willing to present arguments supporting their view.
2. The name is unimportant. We shouldn't even discuss it. People in group #1 are morons.
In the deleted thread, the theory was floated that TNSE seeded this name debate in order to judge the response of the market. But if that were true, the moderators wouldn't try to stop the debate every time it comes up.
More likely is that the decision has already been made, and the mods are siding with group #2 on the issue. Perhaps because they agree with them, or because they feel that discussing it won't change a thing. Not that discussion here will change anything else regarding the ROTJ either, but it is their site so I guess that is their call.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 14:58:02 GMT -5
Seems the majority of people here are in two camps: 1. They care about the name of the team, and are willing to present arguments supporting their view. 2. The name is unimportant. We shouldn't even discuss it. People in group #1 are morons. In the deleted thread, the theory was floated that TNSE seeded this name debate in order to judge the response of the market. But if that were true, the moderators wouldn't try to stop the debate every time it comes up. More likely is that the decision has already been made, and the mods are siding with group #2 on the issue. Perhaps because they agree with them, or because they feel that discussing it won't change a thing. Not that discussion here will change anything else regarding the ROTJ either, but it is their site so I guess that is their call. That is how it seems sometimes... I just don't see what is wrong with debating it, in the appropriate thread? More than anything I just hope True North is aware of the public opinion on this... I would have to think they are at least somewhat. I hope they make the right decision, not only because I want the name to be Jets, but because I think it's truly the best decision business-wise, and even more so than I care about the name I want the team to be successful!
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Post by Steener25 on May 17, 2011 14:58:58 GMT -5
Selling 13000 season tix is all the response that TNSE needs to judge the market. The name is irrelevant in my opinion. I started the original name thread and now I am finishing it. I will support the team whatever it is called. We should all be thankful that we have an ownership group that wants to bring a team back to Winnipeg.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 15:02:02 GMT -5
Selling 13000 season tix is all the response that TNSE needs to judge the market. The name is irrelevant in my opinion. I started the original name thread and now I am finishing it. I will support the team whatever it is called. We should all be thankful that we have an ownership group that wants to bring a team back to Winnipeg. I am thankful, but that doesn't mean that other issues aren't important too! Clearly the name isn't as important as the team itself, but once we have a team I would say to me the name is the next most imoprtant thing. And I don't see how you can say the name is irrelevant... some people might care more than others, but clearly a lot of people care a fair bit.
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Post by gilligan on May 17, 2011 15:06:51 GMT -5
Selling 13000 season tix is all the response that TNSE needs to judge the market. The name is irrelevant in my opinion. I started the original name thread and now I am finishing it. I will support the team whatever it is called. We should all be thankful that we have an ownership group that wants to bring a team back to Winnipeg. All that proves is demand for tickets. Which is the #1 factor in the financial viability of the team. But it is not the only one, and one could argue that it is the least impacted by the club's branding, given the demand in the market and size of the arena (especially in the short term). There are other revenue streams that impact a team, and I think those are the ones that'll be hurt. I went into it a fair bit in the other threads - not going to spend the time typing it again.
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Post by DKehler on May 17, 2011 15:17:21 GMT -5
Branding is far from irrelevant and anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. If you personally do not care about the name, make way for the people that do.
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Post by thesaurus on May 17, 2011 15:28:35 GMT -5
Branding is far from irrelevant and anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. If you personally do not care about the name, make way for the people that do. It has nothing to do with caring or not caring. Sure I would prefer the team name be something that I personally like, but you're not going to please everyone. I'll support the team regardless, why? Because I'm from Winnipeg and I enjoy the NHL regardless if we have a team or not. Getting one here is a great bonus to me and I can't wait to actually be able to follow a team name, whether they're called the Jets, Moose or some dumb name no one likes, it doesn't matter to me.
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Post by jetsorbust on May 17, 2011 15:31:57 GMT -5
Branding is far from irrelevant and anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. If you personally do not care about the name, make way for the people that do. It has nothing to do with caring or not caring. Sure I would prefer the team name be something that I personally like, but you're not going to please everyone. I'll support the team regardless, why? Because I'm from Winnipeg and I enjoy the NHL regardless if we have a team or not. Getting one here is a great bonus to me and I can't wait to actually be able to follow a team name, whether they're called the Jets, Moose or some dumb name no one likes, it doesn't matter to me. I think that was Kehler's point though... you and many others say you don't care about the name, you will support the team regardless. There are many people though that have said they would not support the team, or would support it less, if it is not named the Jets. Has anyone said they won't support the team or will support it less if it IS called the Jets? And that's why there seems to be nothing to gain and everything to lose by changing the name...
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