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Post by Bobster231 on May 10, 2010 16:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by Hobble on May 10, 2010 16:52:56 GMT -5
So do they only have until 7 to decide?
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Post by NewJets on May 10, 2010 17:15:02 GMT -5
So do they only have until 7 to decide? They have until 7pm to place the issue of whether COG will cover the team's losses next season in order to keep the team for 2010-2011 on Tuesday's Council Meeting agenda for a vote.
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Post by shtinky on May 10, 2010 17:48:42 GMT -5
What do you mean? Isn't it on the agenda already, last item?
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Post by Hobble on May 10, 2010 18:25:13 GMT -5
Of course it has to be the last item :/ Probably just a way to keep us all watching...
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Post by John on May 10, 2010 20:23:11 GMT -5
Anybody have the link to the live feed? I know its here somewhere but damned if I can find it.
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 10, 2010 20:39:37 GMT -5
Anybody have the link to the live feed? I know its here somewhere but damned if I can find it. Winnipegfreepress.com They will be streaming live....
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Post by John on May 10, 2010 20:59:04 GMT -5
Thanks Hendrix
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Post by WildJetsFan on May 11, 2010 0:04:47 GMT -5
I'll be sure to send over a message when all is done saying "Don't worry, we'll take good care of your Yoties"
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Post by WJG on May 11, 2010 0:14:47 GMT -5
TBH, I'm feeling pretty bad for most Coyotes fans right now (most, not all - I'm looking at you YotesDiva! ). If anyone can understand what they're going through, we can.
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Post by roosta604 on May 11, 2010 1:33:39 GMT -5
Please don't be douchebags on their site guys! (you know who you are) Keep your yotes bashing to this site if ya gotta do it!
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Post by matzel on May 15, 2010 22:53:38 GMT -5
I'll be sure to send over a message when all is done saying "Don't worry, we'll take good care of your Yoties" Not so fast young warrior... ;D not so fast...
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Post by matzel on May 15, 2010 22:56:53 GMT -5
Please don't be douchebags on their site guys! (you know who you are) Keep your yotes bashing to this site if ya gotta do it! +1 and thanks for the request. I appreciate it.
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Post by WJG on May 16, 2010 3:04:12 GMT -5
I used to visit Coyotes Corner hoping that they would break the latest information regarding ownership issues and the threat of relocation, but over time I've found that isn't the case.
Whenever any relevant news is posted (ie. JR, IEH, COG, etc), it is immediately dismissed as:
1) being published by the biased and evil Canadian media 2) being posted by a pro-Winnipeg (and therefore apparently anti-Phoenix) poster, who is then attacked endlessly and is labeled a troll.
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Post by matzel on May 16, 2010 10:02:54 GMT -5
I used to visit Coyotes Corner hoping that they would break the latest information regarding ownership issues and the threat of relocation, but over time I've found that isn't the case. Whenever any relevant news is posted (ie. JR, IEH, COG, etc), it is immediately dismissed as: 1) being published by the biased and evil Canadian media 2) being posted by a pro-Winnipeg (and therefore apparently anti-Phoenix) poster, who is then attacked endlessly and is labeled a troll. I respect your view of things regarding the cc.net, but I don't share it. Generally, I believe content is viewed with respect to source and poster on every internet messageboard - that's not hockey or Coyotes specific. The cc.net is visited by those Phoenix residents who *do* care about hockey, that's why they are touchy when relocation supporters keep bringing up the same old theories, often without the willingness to look at the extenuating circumstances. I am not surprised that there is some animosity 'tween the two groups of hockey fans in PHX and WPG, though. It is pretty logical that there is no Kum Ba Yah by the campfire going on when the two groups post about hockey. That said, anyone talking hockey without insults is always welcome at the cc.net. Personally, I would like to see another NHL team in the Peg. I used to live in MB and I know how passionate the city and province are about hockey. I would prefer for the Yotes to remain in AZ, though.
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 16, 2010 12:01:36 GMT -5
Personally, I would like to see another NHL team in the Peg. I used to live in MB and I know how passionate the city and province are about hockey. I would prefer for the Yotes to remain in AZ, though. Only because you're most likely living there now & it's convenient for you. If that IS the case; even you must admit, Phoenix ( Glendale ) does in no way actually deserve to be an NHL City...or...suburb depending on how you see it!
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Post by matzel on May 16, 2010 13:21:57 GMT -5
Personally, I would like to see another NHL team in the Peg. I used to live in MB and I know how passionate the city and province are about hockey. I would prefer for the Yotes to remain in AZ, though. Only because you're most likely living there now & it's convenient for you. If that IS the case; even you must admit, Phoenix ( Glendale ) does in no way actually deserve to be an NHL City...or...suburb depending on how you see it! I live in Eastern Canada. I would probably benefit from better coverage if the Yotes moved back to Winnipeg. Uhm, never mind... who are we kidding? The Jets never received coverage when they were in Winnipeg. Why would that change now? The new Jets would in all likelihood once again be the ugly step daughter of Canadian NHL franchises, snubbed by the big media outlets in Ontario, who pander to Leafs and Habs fans. To answer your question - I don't think the final tally is in on whether the Phoenix market can/cannot be viable for NHL hockey. At the grassroots level and among the youth in AZ, the sport has grown considerable since the Jets flew to the desert. A number of circumstances have prevented the NHL club from making a financial go of it and I am not looking to rehash them all. Even though they are often ignored by those who favour relocation, they do exist. I have cheered for this sorry franchise for close to two decades and live at the other end of the continent. Glendale or Winnipeg, I will still cheer for the team. That said, I really hope they remain in AZ for the foreseeable future. If the new ownership is still hemorrhaging money in 3 to 5 years, with proper management, competitive on-ice product and fiscal responsibility, I'd pull the plug. At that point I would agree that a square peg is just not going to fit into a round hole, at this point I argue that the market never has had a fair shake. From obstructed view seating and revenue going to the NBA Suns, to Moyes cooking the books to save his other ventures and the team being made up of rookies and youngsters, the Phoenix Coyotes have written the book on how to prevent success. Painful to watch but there is light at the end of the tunnel. Go Yotes!
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Post by pank on May 16, 2010 13:42:48 GMT -5
Why do people always cite grassroots hockey as a reason for a team remaining in their market? In that case, the NHL would probably have the following teams:
Toronto x4 Southern Ontario x2 Eastern Ontario x2 Montreal x2 Province of Quebec x2 Maritimes x1 Manitoba x2 Saskatchewan x2 Southern Alberta x2 Northern Alberta x2 British Columbia x4 New York State x1 New England x1 Michigan x1 Minnesota x1 Illinois x1
Winnipeg has by far the greater amount of grassroots hockey participation and support. This has grown in the last 14 years despite having an IHL/AHL franchise.
Winnipeg also had a bunch of issues that were ignored in version 1.0 by relocation pundits. Poor sightlines, revenue not going to the owners, etc. However, the NHL never bought the Jets franchise for a year, absorbing $20 million in losses (while propping up their income statement through revenue sharing from Toronto and Montreal). The city of Winnipeg made some mistakes about not getting their act together, and the NHL is not entirely to blame, but the league is doing WAY more in Phoenix to keep the team there than in Winnipeg. That much is obvious.
The Leafs have had a terrible team for the better part of 5 years. I don't see fans in Toronto shying away from paying hundreds of dollars a ticket. I don't get why Phoenix fans get to wait until they can hire Ken Holland to build them a perennial contender. It shouldn't really matter: either you support the team or you don't and it is obvious Phoenix fans will not stick with the team through thick and thin.
People should have known this year the teams was endanger of leaving. They could have proven themselves as fans in the desert and somebody would have probably bought the team if the fans were packing it in making money. What happened was the fans stayed away until the bandwagon pulled up and they finally showed up to buy heavily discounted tickets. The team still bled money. But, I guess they need more time to prove themselves. The threat of losing a team isn't reason enough to come out and support them either. Winnipeg knew the Jets were leaving in 1995-96. The Coyotes fans could have done something about it. Per usual in their 15 year history, the fans stayed away with great indifference.
There is light at the end of the tunnel. That light is in downtown Winnipeg and the tunnel likely ends next summer.
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Post by matzel on May 16, 2010 14:10:49 GMT -5
Why do people always cite grassroots hockey as a reason for a team remaining in their market? In that case, the NHL would probably have the following teams: Toronto x4 Southern Ontario x2 Eastern Ontario x2 Montreal x2 Province of Quebec x2 Maritimes x1 Manitoba x2 Saskatchewan x2 Southern Alberta x2 Northern Alberta x2 British Columbia x4 New York State x1 New England x1 Michigan x1 Minnesota x1 Illinois x1 Winnipeg has by far the greater amount of grassroots hockey participation and support. This has grown in the last 14 years despite having an IHL/AHL franchise. Winnipeg also had a bunch of issues that were ignored in version 1.0 by relocation pundits. Poor sightlines, revenue not going to the owners, etc. However, the NHL never bought the Jets franchise for a year, absorbing $20 million in losses (while propping up their income statement through revenue sharing from Toronto and Montreal). The city of Winnipeg made some mistakes about not getting their act together, and the NHL is not entirely to blame, but the league is doing WAY more in Phoenix to keep the team there than in Winnipeg. That much is obvious. The Leafs have had a terrible team for the better part of 5 years. I don't see fans in Toronto shying away from paying hundreds of dollars a ticket. I don't get why Phoenix fans get to wait until they can hire Ken Holland to build them a perennial contender. It shouldn't really matter: either you support the team or you don't and it is obvious Phoenix fans will not stick with the team through thick and thin. People should have known this year the teams was endanger of leaving. They could have proven themselves as fans in the desert and somebody would have probably bought the team if the fans were packing it in making money. What happened was the fans stayed away until the bandwagon pulled up and they finally showed up to buy heavily discounted tickets. The team still bled money. But, I guess they need more time to prove themselves. The threat of losing a team isn't reason enough to come out and support them either. Winnipeg knew the Jets were leaving in 1995-96. The Coyotes fans could have done something about it. Per usual in their 15 year history, the fans stayed away with great indifference. There is light at the end of the tunnel. That light is in downtown Winnipeg and the tunnel likely ends next summer. Don't hold your breath. We have heard this type of talk from a good number of people over the last few years... For the record, I am not saying that the Jets got the same treatment from the league when Shenkarov wanted out. Weaselface Bettman seemed all too eager to back up the moving vans with the AZ TV market in mind. The major difference was/is that Winnipeg wanted the '99 PanAm games while Glendale spent close to $200.0 mm on the Job. Not surprisingly, that type of commitment should buy some loyalty and goodwill from the league. Look, I am not trying to convert you. I realize that won't happen and I am perfectly fine with that. The NHL knows that Winnipeg is a good hockey market - no market research needed. The fact that Phoenix has the *potential* to become a GREAT market for the league is what is keeping them in the desert for now.
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Post by matzel on May 16, 2010 14:17:38 GMT -5
Winnipeg has by far the greater amount of grassroots hockey participation and support. This has grown in the last 14 years despite having an IHL/AHL franchise. Winnipeg also had a bunch of issues that were ignored in version 1.0 by relocation pundits. Poor sightlines, revenue not going to the owners, etc. However, the NHL never bought the Jets franchise for a year, absorbing $20 million in losses (while propping up their income statement through revenue sharing from Toronto and Montreal). The city of Winnipeg made some mistakes about not getting their act together, and the NHL is not entirely to blame, but the league is doing WAY more in Phoenix to keep the team there than in Winnipeg. That much is obvious. You are making it sound as if the Jets were a smash hit in Winnipeg before the franchise up-and-moved to the Arizona desert. Far from it... the club was a financial disaster much the same as the Coyotes have been. So there is not much 'tween the two, really. You and everyone else hoping for the ROTJ is *projecting* and *hoping* that the new MTS Centre, coupled with a salary cap and deep-pocketed ownership will make a difference this time around. That is, however not guaranteed by any means...
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