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Post by KingHutt on Jan 10, 2005 23:24:17 GMT -5
Scott Taylor's article in today's (Monday) Nat Post confirmed that TBay Lightning president Tom Wilson (think that was his name) was the guy who called Dan Vandal about Wpg. Then he changed his mind. Scott writes that 2 other sunbelt teams have called Wpg. His first column was solid!
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Post by Guest on Jan 10, 2005 23:34:19 GMT -5
Can you copy and post the article here in the thread?
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Post by KingHutt on Jan 11, 2005 0:26:17 GMT -5
sorry, i read a hard copy and left it at work. maybe there's an NP subscriber out there?
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Post by Y2Jets on Jan 11, 2005 0:55:21 GMT -5
Niiice. well TB wotn have a team for long. they cna dwell on how they did playoffs. But those fans wont go to reg. season games which makes em lose lots of money.
sorry but just because you have 18,000 Plus in your arena, isnt going to change fact you have gave away like 8,000 of em. Losin MONEY tb. haha./
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Post by jets4ever on Jan 11, 2005 1:26:37 GMT -5
sorry but just because you have 18,000 Plus in your arena, isnt going to change fact you have gave away like 8,000 of em. Losin MONEY tb. haha./ I'm sure they've forgotten about the fact the Lightning won the Cup in TB already.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 11, 2005 1:30:29 GMT -5
Haha, I wouldn't doubt it! Good to hear that Scott is already spreading the word! Things just keep getting bigger and bigger! ;D
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Post by anonymous on Jan 11, 2005 2:32:31 GMT -5
...I believe Dreamcatcher said this as well. I believe I asked him in August, off this sight, who the first team was to call Vandal, and he said Tampa Bay Lightning, and that they changed their minds. wieeerrd. WHO IS THAT GUY ANYWAY?!? He knows stuff!
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Post by Dave74 on Jan 11, 2005 9:48:43 GMT -5
It took TBAy till the third round of the playoffs to sellout. As you can tell, these sellouts, although some tickets were given away, were the result of the classic phenomenon of people jumping the bandwagon. If this wasn't true, their areana would have been soldout the majority of the time during the playoffs, not just the second half. THE THIRD ROUND!?!?! arghh! the Jets had a curse that killed them in the first round but we still showed up. I apologize for that outburst, lol NEVERTHELESS, I doubt that TBAY's momentum will last the duration of the lockout. The chances of them pulling ,what I like to call a carolina, will increase with each passing day. The defending Stanley Cup champions of 04 won't pack the same punch in the 2006 or even the 2007 season.
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Post by Just a Guy on Jan 11, 2005 10:38:50 GMT -5
The article.... "It's now official. A number of Winnipeg city councilors have admitted the NHL team that contacted the city's former deputy mayor, Dan Vandal, about moving to the new MTS Centre back in December, 2003, was the eventual Stanley Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning. Six months later, of course, Lightning president Tom Wilson had changed his mind... Interestingly, insiders say two Sun Belt-based NHL teams are still calling Winnipeg city hall and True North management (the folks who run the 15,000-seat MTS Centre)"
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Post by Other on Jan 11, 2005 13:06:56 GMT -5
Here's the full article, as put in the Post.
Is Carlyle the best coach in pro hockey? Manitoba bench boss has little competition with NHL lockout Scott Taylor National Post
January 10, 2005
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WINNIPEG - With the NHL shut down and Scotty Bowman retired, former Winnipeg Jets defenceman Randy Carlyle might be professional hockey's best coach. Yesterday, Carlyle's Manitoba Moose defeated the visiting Edmonton Roadrunners, 2-1 in a shootout, at a sold-out MTS Centre to improve to 23-10-1-2 this season. It was Manitoba's fourth win in five games and, as a result, Carlyle is now making a mid-season case for 2004-05 American Hockey League coach of the year. Last year, the Moose were 32-35-11-2 and missed the playoffs. This year, they have one of the four or five best teams in the AHL and while GM Craig Heisinger and the personnel department of the Vancouver Canucks certainly deserve some of the credit for the turnaround, Carlyle's coaching style has been a major influence in the team's success. He is demanding and short-tempered, but he is also fair and focused. And above all else, he knows the game and the people who play it.
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Now that NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has called off next Friday's owners' meeting, there is a renewed sense that an actual deadline date for the cancellation of the entire 2004-05 season will soon be established.
Meanwhile, there are a couple of fellas in Winnipeg who have started to feel as if they have been kicked in the gut by the game they love. When the lockout began, most observers believed that the hardest-hit sector, at least economically, would be "the little guys" --the concessionaires, the ticket takers, the Zamboni drivers etc. etc. In Winnipeg, Bruce Southern and Ron Winkler, could be called, "the little guys." And they have been hammered. Winkler is co-owner of River City Sports (and rivercitysports.com), one of the most successful retailers of hockey jerseys and souvenirs in the country. He has three stores in Winnipeg and one in Toronto, plus a significant on-line business, but the lockout is killing him. NHL jersey sales are way down, he has cut his staff to the bone and was thrilled to death when he had a "flat December." Winkler says if the lockout lasts two years, as Phoenix Coyotes owner Wayne Gretzky has hinted, he could be out of business. Southern, meanwhile, scouted for the Minnesota Wild last season, but last spring, with the lockout on the way, he was not offered a new contract. Out of the game against his will, Southern is still waiting for life to get back to normal. Sadly, it is all turning out as expected. Millionaire players and billionaire owners are still arguing over US$1.9-billion in revenue, but the guys who simply need NHL hockey in order to survive, are the ones getting the shaft.
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It's now official. A number of Winnipeg city councillors have admitted the NHL team that contacted the city's former deputy mayor, Dan Vandal, about moving to the new MTS Centre back in December, 2003, was the eventual Stanley Cup champion Tampa Bay Lightning. Six months later, of course, Lightning president Tom Wilson had changed his mind ... Interestingly, insiders say two Sun Belt-based NHL teams are still calling Winnipeg city hall and True North management (the folks who run the 15,000-seat MTS Centre) ... Former Winnipeg broadcaster Peter Young, is now the vice-president of operations for the Calgary Drillers of the ABA, the minor-league basketball team that plays out of the Corral. Young's employer, Global Sports Holdings Inc., has made a bid to purchase the vacant ownership claim to the Calgary franchise of the Northern Baseball League. If GSH Inc. is successful, Young says it will be called the Vipers ... Last week we wondered how Univeristy of Manitoba head football coach Brian Dobie reacted to Chicago Bears head coach Lovie Smith's comment that former Bison defensive lineman Israel Idonije was "a good player considering he never played college football." We're happy to report that Dobie laughed. By the way, Idonije had three tackles and an assist in the final game of the year against Green Bay ... Three Winnipeg businessmen, Doug Johnston of the Johnston Group (group insurance brokers), chartered accountant Brian Gilhuly and financial planner George Sigurdson were set to meet Friday to create "the Manitoba Golf Trust," a foundation to help top young minor tour professionals such as Rob MacMillan, Adam Spiers and Mac McLeod reach the main PGA Tour. It will be quite an undertaking, but Sigurdson said support for the concept has been overwhelming ... It was a nervous afternoon yesterday for Manitoba's two most visible Minnesota Vikings fans. Premier Gary Doer and opposition leader Stuart Murray, two die-hard Vikes followers who fell in love with the team when former Blue Bomber head coach Bud Grant went south in the '60s, weren't very confident watching their beloved Purple face the hated Green Bay Packers at Lambeau yesterday. "Despite what people said, the (8-8) Vikings didn't get into the playoffs through the back door," Murray conceded. "They weren't that good. They got into the playoffs crawling on their hands and knees."
For many years, the Manitoba Junior Hockey League was criticized for its relatively weak level of play. Obviously, that impression is changing. Three former MJHL stars are up among the NCAA's scoring leaders this season. University of North Dakota winger Colby Genoway, who played with the Winkler Flyers, is tied for 13th on the NCAA scoring list while Travis Zajac of Winnipeg, leads all NCAA freshmen in scoring and is second to Genoway at North Dakota. Zajac played for the MJHL's St. James Canadians and was a first-round pick (20th overall) of the New Jersey Devils last June. Meanwhile, former Selkirk Steelers centre Andrew Murray, now with Bemidji State, is 16th in the NCAA scoring race. After a prolonged drought, the MJHL is now starting to turn out some studs ... There are a couple of other indicators that suggest the level of hockey played in the province is improving dramatically. For one thing, Team Western, a club made up of players from Manitoba and Saskatchewan and coached by Roland Duplessis of Saskatchewan and Lyle Loewen of the MJHL's Southeast Blades, won the gold medal at the Under-17 World Championship in Lethbridge. Another indicator of the improvement in Manitoba hockey was the fact three Winnipeg players, forward Nigel Dawes, defenceman Cam Barker and backup goalie Rejean Beauchemin, all played on Canada's gold-medal winning national junior team. A decade ago, you would have been hard-pressed to find a Manitoban at the development camp, let alone on the team ... Manitoba hockey fans watching last week's World Junior Championship in Grand Forks, N.D., asked us if we thought the gifted Sidney Crosby would be the No. 1 selection in the 2005 NHL entry draft. Good question. Here's the bad answer: According to NHL spokesman Frank Brown, without a new collective bargaining agreement, there will be no No. 1 draft pick this spring. "The draft is one of those items that must be collectively bargained," Brown said recently. "No CBA, no draft." Now that's not really news. It's just that so many hockey fans still aren't aware of it...
Whatever happened to ... Jeff Reinebold? Reinebold was the charismatic, but sadly, short-lived head coach of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers who guided his team to a 4-14 record in 1997 and was 2-12 in 1998 when he was fired. After a couple of stints on Canadian television and a couple of offers to be a CFL assistant, Reinebold essentially fell off the planet. These days, however, he has the perfect job. As the head scout for the NFL Europe League, he travels all over Europe selling the game and holding football clinics in an effort to find potential NFL talent. Nice work if you can get it.
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 12, 2005 15:24:30 GMT -5
Scott Taylor - w00t w00t! Well done buddy, Anyone got his e-mail? i would like to send him a thank-you e-mail! Its nice when people in the media actualy educate themselves before spouting off about somthing (AHEM AHEM- CJOB - HINT HINT AHEM AHEM COUGH COUGH - C.J.O.B. WINK WINK HINT HINT) good job scotty taylor, we need more people like you.
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Post by Other on Jan 12, 2005 19:11:03 GMT -5
Scott Taylor - w00t w00t! Well done buddy, Anyone got his e-mail? i would like to send him a thank-you e-mail! Its nice when people in the media actualy educate themselves before spouting off about somthing (AHEM AHEM- CJOB - HINT HINT AHEM AHEM COUGH COUGH - C.J.O.B. WINK WINK HINT HINT) good job scotty taylor, we need more people like you. They don't have it posted anywhere, but it's likely one of the following in order of probability STaylor@nationalpost.com STaylor@canada.com ScottTaylor@nationalpost.com ScottTaylor@canada.com Scott however is not listed as a National Post Collumnist, so it's possible he's only doing freelance and in which case would have his own email unrelated to the National Post.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 12, 2005 20:15:16 GMT -5
I can appreciate Chipman's position in this matter as he has a solid business with the Moose to consider, but I don't like this secrecy and bullsh!t.
If teams are calling Wpg AND True North, then he knows about it. He is having discussions. He is interested in the NHL.
I wish he'd just tell us the truth, which is 'yes, we are talking to NHL team. Yes, we are waiting to see what the new CBA holds. Yes, we are talking to other business leaders in Wpg. Yes, if the CBA is favourable, the NHL is coming back to Winnipeg for the 2006/2007 season."
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Post by Other on Jan 12, 2005 23:23:44 GMT -5
They can't do that. It makes no sense to say, we're talking to NHL teams or if the CBA is favorable etc.
It's always good business to not guarantee something until it's certain.
And in this case until there is a favourable CBA all you'll hear is rumours and rumblings and that's all you should hear.
Once the CBA is finalized, then you'll start to hear talk if it is favourable for Winnipeg. I mean after all if the Owners crack, we can't afford an NHL team.
Why get people's hopes up if it rests on the Owners vs the Players.
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Post by Ducky on Jan 12, 2005 23:43:14 GMT -5
T-Bay eh, well that means we could have a former stanley cup team.
I will say this again Chipman is just playing this smart and dealing with what hockey is existing right now and he has to make his on ice favorable so he can sell tickets and pay off the new arena.
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Post by Blaster on Jan 12, 2005 23:44:02 GMT -5
Is there any doubt in ANYONE'S mind that the "New CBA" won't work for Winnipeg? Come on... it's a no-brainer.
Winnipeg had an NHL team for 17 years without any kind of "salary cap" in place!!!
And everyone knows the next time the NHL plays a game, there will be cost-certainty. It's only a matter of time.
I'm sick of this talk about "If the CBA works for Winnipeg, we'll be back". You people seem to be forgetting the biggest reason we lost the Jets is because the lack of a modern arena that could generate revenue. We have solved that problem.
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 13, 2005 0:30:44 GMT -5
Is there any doubt in ANYONE'S mind that the "New CBA" won't work for Winnipeg? Come on... it's a no-brainer. Winnipeg had an NHL team for 17 years without any kind of "salary cap" in place!!! And everyone knows the next time the NHL plays a game, there will be cost-certainty. It's only a matter of time. I'm sick of this talk about "If the CBA works for Winnipeg, we'll be back". You people seem to be forgetting the biggest reason we lost the Jets is because the lack of a modern arena that could generate revenue. We have solved that problem. good points, but I think that is a little over simplified. The way the negotiations are going so far, suggest that the CBA wont be exactley what we are looking for, but it might be enough... (then again we are all probably saying "what negotiations") As for a previous post regarding Chipman kinda dodging the bullets, and not admitting to any negotiations with NHL franchises... I think that it would be a conflict of intrest for alot of Moose fans, which is why he is not owning up to anything. The city would probably jump for joy, minus a few people, but for the time being, he wants those die hard moose fans to put money in his pocket... He probably doesn't see any reason to own up to anything.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 13, 2005 1:22:18 GMT -5
Well said Ian, I'd tend to agree with you on that Chipman comment!
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Post by Blaster on Jan 13, 2005 1:36:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure a TON of Moose fans would get mad and stop going to Moose games if Chipman said "I want the NHL in Winnipeg"
*sarcasm*
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 13, 2005 1:40:25 GMT -5
Ahh you never know.. some got pretty choked at our Jetsowner night at the Moose game.. their a weird breed. Though I'm a Moose fan, I still remember my roots. Unfortunately, most other Moose fans don't.
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