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Post by Oracle on Apr 23, 2009 8:24:51 GMT -5
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Post by davebabych on Apr 23, 2009 10:49:54 GMT -5
That sucks. But isn't this the type of meeting that Chipman attended a few years back? It doesn't mean a team is going in there for sure. I think it's just a meeting so the NHL Governors know exactly what options they have in case they finally decide to put some teams out of their misery.
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Post by bromine on Apr 23, 2009 11:36:33 GMT -5
Although the Coyotes are a potential candidate to move to TO, perhaps this thread would be better off in another section. www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=276141TORONTO - The Globe and Mail says a senior National Hockey League official met with a group of business people who want to bring a second team to the Toronto area. The Globe quotes sources as saying the unidentified group met for 2 1/2 hours with NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly in downtown Toronto last week. They also met with Paul Kelly, the executive director of the NHL Players' Association. Both declined to comment. The paper says the group proposes to build an arena in Vaughan, on land north of Pearson International Airport that's owned by businessman Victor De Zen. One source said the group's market research showed a second team would not significantly impact the revenues of either the Toronto Maple Leafs or the Buffalo Sabres, provided that it is located in the northern part of the Metro Toronto area. The owner of the Maple Leafs, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, has said it would not consider allowing another team into its territory without concrete data to demonstrate the Leafs position in the marketplace would not be compromised. There has been much speculation that the Phoenix Coyotes are ripe for a move. The franchise is tied to an arena lease in Glendale, Ariz., until 2033, but the team lost an estimated US $35-million this year.
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Post by WHA on Apr 23, 2009 14:24:25 GMT -5
Gee, just think where we would be in the hunt if we had built an arena with vision?
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Post by jhendrix70 on Apr 23, 2009 15:47:31 GMT -5
Gee, just think where we would be in the hunt if we had built an arena with vision? Please contribute something worth while! You're nothing but a broken record when it comes to your comments and in NO way is appreciated by any people other than nay-sayers and trolls on this site! Now, on the topic of conversation, This really doesn't mean too much. If anything, we could see this as a positive turn within the NHL brass that they are realizing the need for relocation of struggling franchises, to Canadian Soil. Let's not forget, there are more than just one struggling US Based team that will be relocated.
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Post by bromine on Apr 23, 2009 16:18:55 GMT -5
NHL's response: www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=276180TORONTO - The NHL has confirmed that deputy commissioner Bill Daly met with a group of business people interested in bringing a second team to the Toronto area. But the league says that was the extent of it. "There is no consideration of bringing a second franchise to Toronto," the league said in a statement. "We have no intention to expand in the foreseeable future, and there is no desire to relocate any of our existing franchises." Last week's meeting was first reported by The Globe and Mail, which said the group proposed building an arena in Vaughan, on land north of Pearson International Airport that's owned by businessman Victor De Zen.
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Post by jaylon1970 on Apr 23, 2009 16:32:06 GMT -5
Gee, just think where we would be in the hunt if we had built an arena with vision? Please contribute something worth while! You're nothing but a broken record when it comes to your comments and in NO way is appreciated by any people other than nay-sayers and trolls on this site! Now, on the topic of conversation, This really doesn't mean too much. If anything, we could see this as a positive turn within the NHL brass that they are realizing the need for relocation of struggling franchises, to Canadian Soil. Let's not forget, there are more than just one struggling US Based team that will be relocated. not over gary bettman's and BOGs dead body it won't...
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Post by allthisgold on Apr 23, 2009 17:48:08 GMT -5
Putting a team in Toronto has nothing at all to do with the size of our arena. Even if our arena seated 20K this story would still be reported exactly as it was and we still would not have a team.
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Post by roosta604 on Apr 24, 2009 2:50:57 GMT -5
Just disgusted in Gary at this point.....I love hockey too much to stop watching it Our long shot is in a rogue owners hands to make a serious fuss about paying out the yotes year after year...that's all I can think that might possible stir the pot, internal combustion on the BOG.Although it's hard to see why anyone would 'stick their neck out' and criticize Gary's plan. At this point for me, it doesn't even feel like the 'Will Winnipeg get their team back first race'... it feels like this has turned into the 'Will Gary ever realize his mistakes and re-relocate' game. Like to me I'm more concentrated on the fact that I don't think Gary will ever relocate to anywhere, be that Kansas, Hamilton, or Vegas!! He just doesn't want to correct his error of the southern markets on his clock - as that tarnishes his legacy...I know...what legacy? I hope this doesn't sound like I'm giving up lol far from it - no worries I just ordered 3 more jets shirts and 2 hats to rep in BC ... I'm just so pissed at everything Gary says these days and just coming to that realization my favorite league is being run into the ground each season more and more
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Post by leer2006 on Apr 24, 2009 12:33:05 GMT -5
Where is Darren while all of this is going on?? He hasn't even updated his blog or posted on this site in awhile.
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Post by mcguire4 on Apr 24, 2009 17:45:21 GMT -5
i guess he is too busy, and i know he has come on here to tell us he is busy in the past...... whatever...
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Post by Hobble on Apr 24, 2009 18:40:10 GMT -5
People in Toronto are Leaf fans, not hockey fans... I mean, the Marlies get 2000 to a playoff game when half their team is pretty much Maple Leafs, and no one shows up?!? Yeah, they deserve a SECOND hockey team...
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Post by Ric O. on Apr 25, 2009 14:23:44 GMT -5
People in Toronto are Leaf fans, not hockey fans... I mean, the Marlies get 2000 to a playoff game when half their team is pretty much Maple Leafs, and no one shows up?!? Yeah, they deserve a SECOND hockey team... Yeah really good comment Hobble. Proponents of a 2nd NHL team in Toronto like to cite New York (MLB & NFL) and Chicago (MLB) as two comparable markets where 2 teams in the same sport can coexist profitably. However what they don't add is that in those cases the teams involved were in different leagues (AFL/NFL, American League/National League), that were peer level leagues which were effectively brought together to compete for a common trophy. WHA was a league as close to parity with the NHL as we are ever likely to see. In the WHA/NHL merger, Toronto didn't have a WHA entry to merge. Of course the Toronto Toros were in the WHA but were so poorly supported that they ended up in Birmingham Alabama of all places! Like even Birmingham would be better than Toronto. Ok, ancient history, that was then, this is now and things have changed, right?. Or has it? You'd think in a metropolitan area of some 6-7Million supposed "Hockey Crazed" people, you'd be able to get 6,000 to an AHL playoff game featuring the Leafs up and comers...especially when the Leafs are already enjoying their off-season. I mean the Moose get that many people showing up to watch the up and comers of a team that doesn't even belong to us! But nobody shows up for the Marlies and to me that's a clear statement that Torontonians are Leafs fans first, 2nd and 3rd. Not comparable at all to the great sports markets of New York and Chicago. I'm not going to say a 2nd team in Toronto wouldn't be successful (but there certainly should be some doubt)... but the snobs there are out of line in thumbing their nose at Winnipeg (as they have been doing in fan forums) given their own poor track record of support for anything not Leafs.
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Post by jhendrix70 on Apr 25, 2009 14:27:27 GMT -5
** This is a funny article really. There isn't any mention of the NHL In Winnipeg but, was written as more of a Sarcastic review of the NHL's policies on where teams are placed ** Second NHL team in T.O. would be great... so forget it
A second NHL team for Toronto? Hell, no.Why? Well, for starters, it makes too much sense. Dollars even. And if there's one guiding principle that has ruled the NHL's Mr. Magoo vision lo these last two decades, it's this: Any major decision regarding the location of franchises must defy every shred of business acumen, geography, local sports history and the common sense our mammas gave us. Amen. A second team in southern California? Absolutely. In fact, let's follow the advice of a man who eventually went to jail for fraud (Hello, Bruce McNall) -- and who desperately needed the expansion compensation as owner of the Los Angeles Kings just to stay ahead of the Feds -- and put a team in Anaheim. Done. A second team in Florida? Hey, we'd be crazy NOT to. They're dying for hockey down there. Those teams will be dynasties. Just look at the Tampa Bay Lightning. They're a model professional hockey franchise. (News Item: The Tampa Bay Lightning laid off 25 staff last week, including the team mascot, ThunderBug. No, they're not in financial trouble). A third team in New York? Pffftt. Just try to stop us. OK, so Charles Wang wants to move the Islanders to Kansas City if he doesn't get a new arena. Can you blame him? I mean, why stay in Long Island when a hockey mecca like K.C. is just sitting there with an empty arena? (Note: The above scenario should not be confused with Phoenix, which has both an NHL team AND an empty arena. But we digress back to the NHL's expansion and relocation policy.)Can't you see? These NHL suits don't just go around willy-nilly and put franchises anywhere. They undertake due diligence. They do exhaustive research into the potential of each market. I mean, you don't think they just put teams in Atlanta and Nashville because the owners had the cities build them arenas and their expansion fee cheques cleared, do you? Well, that's a pretty cynical attitude, mister. Especially when you consider the states of Georgia and Tennessee have deep and passionate roots to ice hockey. Or as it has been known in Atlanta since the game was first introduced to the general public when the Flames were founded in 1972: "Hackey." Go figure that the Thrashers, a staple of Page 7 of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's sports pages since 1999, have grown in stature to the point they now command the same media coverage as the Michael Vick Elementary School debate team. But all this speculation about a second team for Toronto? That's crazy talk. No wonder NHL vice-president Bill Daley was so quick to quash reports this week that league officials met with a group seeking to put a team in the suburb of Vaughn, just north of the Big Smoke. "There is no consideration of bringing a second franchise to Toronto," the league said in a statement. "We have no intention to expand in the foreseeable future, and there is no desire to relocate any of our existing franchises." Finally, some sanity. Look, just because the Phoenix Coyotes lose $35 million a year, their owner can't pay the bills and the local economy has tanked is no reason to think they'll be moved to a more profitable location. What are you, hard of thinking? Besides, of course, the NHL isn't interested. That's why they sent a representative all the way to Toronto to take the meeting. Because they weren't interested. What part of that don't you understand? Sure, a second team in Toronto would probably be the third-highest revenue generating club in the NHL. It would probably make double annually what the Coyotes lose and be a cash cow for Canadian television ratings. Yes, it would represent competition for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Some believe a second team might threaten the golden monopoly the Leafs have enjoyed for the last century. Indeed, similar concerns were probably also expressed when the Mets came to New York and threatened the Yankees' future. How did that work out? Sorry, I can't hear you over the construction of the Yankees' new $1.5-billion stadium. But, hey, what do we know? We bow to the same business scholars who would put their product on an obscure American cable channel for a few dollars more than acquiesce to ESPN. Really, who watches sports on ESPN, anyway? So as for this second team in Toronto business, come on. Give it a rest, dude. Seriously, how can you possibly put a third team in Ontario until you get a fourth team in California? And you call yourself a hockey people. Shameful. randy.turner@freepress.mb.ca www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/hockey/second-nhl-team-in-to-would-be-great-so-forget-it-43687822.html
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Post by bettmanblows on Apr 25, 2009 15:13:04 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it. The N.H.L would be a huge success. Even Though in my opinion Toronto fans well....suck. Toronto N.H.L #2 would sell out every game..a simple fact...but toronto fans still suck... The What did the Marlies get the last time they played the moose 2300 (anounced) more like 500 acourding to CJOB. The Argos have never drawn well, the Jays havnt drawn flys since the days of the world series. The Toronto St. Michael's Majors had to relocate to Mississauga cause of the absolutely horrid attendance they were getting. For some reason Toronto FC sells out every game? (now that I am confused on), but pretty much its the N.H.L or nothing...You would think in a city of 5.3 million that you would be able to find some decent fans to support local sports..
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Post by Dcmac on Apr 26, 2009 1:19:27 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it. The N.H.L would be a huge success. Even Though in my opinion Toronto fans well....suck. Toronto N.H.L #2 would sell out every game..a simple fact...but toronto fans still suck... The What did the Marlies get the last time they played the moose 2300 (anounced) more like 500 acourding to CJOB. The Argos have never drawn well, the Jays havnt drawn flys since the days of the world series. The Toronto St. Michael's Majors had to relocate to Mississauga cause of the absolutely horrid attendance they were getting. For some reason Toronto FC sells out every game? (now that I am confused on), but pretty much its the N.H.L or nothing...You would think in a city of 5.3 million that you would be able to find some decent fans to support local sports.. Jays finished 18th in attendance last year, not bad. TFC has great support. Argos games are only a few thousand off of sell outs. Raptors were 9th in attendance. See what I mean? Toronto's best or nothing. OHL, AHL, anything thats not in the highest league does not survive in Toronto
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Post by TheDeuce on Apr 26, 2009 9:06:46 GMT -5
Argos games are only a few thousand off of sell outs. Kind of playing fast and loose with the word 'few' there, aren't we? Over the last five years or so a bit of research has shown average attendance at Argos games to be floating around 25-30 thousand in a stadium that holds 54,000. Not the embarrassing crowds of 15-18K they had in the past but certainly more than a few thousand short of sellout territory. On an unrelated matter, Toronto sucks. The Maple Laffs should either fold or relocate to Yellowknife to punish the people of Toronto for what they've done. And what they've done is suck so much. Public horsewhippings for each and every Torontonian would be a good start. Sigh... m.
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Post by jhendrix70 on Apr 26, 2009 10:52:26 GMT -5
RE: Toronto's Support For AHL Hockey..........
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Post by rainmanrh on Apr 26, 2009 11:45:38 GMT -5
Anyone catch Bob M. Friday's show on FAN590. Bob and the rest of the pro Toronto group were discussing a 2nd team in TO. As far as Bob is concerned it's the only NHL market in north america that is a slam dunk. He did mention Winnipeg along with a sigh and his comment, that he isn't sure that a 15,000 seat arena is big enough and if the corporate support is here or not. But he did say that the NHL should investigate Winnipeg as a possibility. He then went to comment on how he feels Gary's doing with the BOG. He feels that the NHL's poor performance and Gary's hard Go Jets Go approach to needing new owners but not being able to move the team is going to be a career ending move. Gary’s hard Go Jets Go approach is scaring and stopping new owners from entering the NHL. He thinks that Gary will be finished with the NHL sooner than later.
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Post by Alex on Apr 26, 2009 11:51:16 GMT -5
Its not fair that we here in St. John's had to lose the AHL so Toronto could have it that video poisons me to death.
This place LOVED the Leafs, and now they are up there where nobody cares about them. Screw everything about Toronto.
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