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Post by jhendrix70 on Feb 27, 2009 23:06:28 GMT -5
That's why the Moose get zero dollars from me! They are taking advantage of their hockey monoply! You're so wrong there... Why would you be angry at the Moose! $588.00 sound pretty damn good for AHL hockey! It's Tampa Bay charging $290.00 that should outrage you! * And enough of this "hockey monopoly" talk already! You want another team, go get one yourself!  |
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Post by WHA on Feb 28, 2009 9:52:03 GMT -5
Check out the TN no competition deal they have with the province and them come back to me!
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Post by jhendrix70 on Feb 28, 2009 11:24:50 GMT -5
Check out the TN no competition deal they have with the province and them come back to me! What are we talking about here? Would you rather TN charge pennies to see a Moose game? Give me a break! Give your head a shake and re-read what this latest topic is about. You always seem to turn things into a Anti-Moose Thread! |
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 28, 2009 12:52:30 GMT -5
What gets me about the anti-Moose people is they are probably the same as the ones who scream we "deserve" an NHL team because we are such a "hockey town". Heck, I want the Jets back as much as anyone but in the meantime I go to Moose games, Selkirk Steelers games, order NHL Center Ice etc. because I love hockey - preferably NHL but the AHL and so on should not be ignored if you truly are a "hockey" fan. Shoot, when I pay $30 to go see the Moose I don't feel ripped off or feel like TN are lining their pockets. Would you rather they go belly up and we have to take another step down the ladder and "try" to get a WHL team (not that there is anything wrong with the dub as I would support it as well)? I for one love seeing former Moose players make it to the show and laugh at people who thought the player sucked because he was "only" in the AHL when playing for the Moose. People have to start to realize that the AHL is a extremely tough,competitive league and to reach that level you are no "pond "hockey star wannabe, you are 1 step away from the Holy grail that is the NHL. It is what most of us who played the game dream about and I would be honored to have made it to the AHL level. Look at Mike Keane who has 3 Stanley cups and is a Millionaire, he loves playing for his home town Moose.
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 28, 2009 13:29:27 GMT -5
I don't know...I consider myself a real hockey fan but I can't stand the Moose...never could. I don't get you guys that tell us we have to support the Moose if we're real hockey fans. Good for you and Jimi though...not wanting to rain on the team you guys obviously love very much.
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 28, 2009 15:47:33 GMT -5
Well, everyone has their opinion obviously. Not saying you should love the Moose I just don't understand the hatred. I could understand even being neutral about them but to out right say you can't stand them I think relates to something that is not product related (you didn't say you hate the AHL you pointed out the Moose). Do you like any of the other AHL teams maybe? If you say no and that you hate the AHL then I really don't think you are an all around fan of hockey, you might just like the highest level and nothing else (and there is nothing wrong with that ).
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 28, 2009 16:56:11 GMT -5
Well, everyone has their opinion obviously. Not saying you should love the Moose I just don't understand the hatred. I could understand even being neutral about them but to out right say you can't stand them I think relates to something that is not product related (you didn't say you hate the AHL you pointed out the Moose). Do you like any of the other AHL teams maybe? If you say no and that you hate the AHL then I really don't think you are an all around fan of hockey, you might just like the highest level and nothing else (and there is nothing wrong with that ). No, I'm neutral on the AHL...couldn't care less if it existed or not, except as a necessary development league for my NHL franchise. Although I would agree that it probably has the 2nd best players in the world...definitely in North America anyway, it's a league of pawns who for the most part want nothing more than to leave the city they play in. They're players who belong to another city. They aren't real teams in the sense that most of them don't really want to be there. To me, they're just a collection of players doing what they do best. It just doesn't agree with me at any level - and that's why I say honestly that I can't stand the Moose. (You feel differently, you enjoy it and I wouldn't try to take that enjoyment away from you or anyone else). I'm not questioning the players' integrity either...I just prefer players who sign with Winnipeg because they want to play in Winnipeg for Winnipeggers, not players who sign with Vancouver to play in Winnipeg for Vancouver Canuck management. Guys like Mike Keane would obviously be the exception and he's had a great career and the Moose are probably lucky to have him. But the fact is, if he was still the player he was when he won those Stanley Cups, if he was still even a marginal NHL calibre player, any NHL team would be offering him a contract to help them out down the stretch and in the playoffs. His best days are pretty far behind him now...at least that's what the NHL obviously thinks. I like major junior hockey (WHL, OHL, QMJHL), I like MJHL hockey...I even like watching kids hockey. This has nothing to do with my measuring my level of hockey fandom. AHL, I get nothing from whatsoever - except I'll admit I still get a queezy feeling when I get those flashbacks of that IHL banner being paraded around in front of CKND news cameras before the Jets were even a corpse yet. |
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Post by jhendrix70 on Feb 28, 2009 19:35:45 GMT -5
Okay; Well here's an excerpt from what I wrote on Darrens "Blog Page": This was in response to another reader blasting the Moose and saying they shouldn't be here:
** After this, we'll get chatting about the Lightning again okay! **
You say “We” couldn’t stand the Canucks. Well, certainly that was usually the theme in the playoffs however; “We” is a pretty bold statement. I never hated the Canucks & I know I’m not the only one to feel that way. ( The Oilers are a different story all together ) however Jason, you have to realize it’s been 12+ years since the Jets left and People have come to address and like other Canadian Franchises since the Jets departure! Not everyone still hates the Oilers, Canucks, etc…..so, who cares if we are their affiliate!
Second; I agree with you 100% that Winnipeg DOES NOT have to prove a thing to the NHL or anyone for that matter. We have been & always will be an NHL City first and foremost however, this city would certainly entertain the fact we have a successful AHL Franchise than nothing at all!
Let’s not forget: Our AHL Franchise has given Winnipeg the New NHL Caliber Arena we have today. MTS Centre would not have been built for any other Professional League in this city. We would still have the old, decrepit Winnipeg Arena, run by W.E.C, No True North ownership group, etc……
AHL = Second Greatest Hockey League in the World. There is no arguing this statement. And in this case, you obviously don’t like it and don’t support it and have voiced your opinion on the matter time after time after time. If you don’t like it, don’t worry about it then. Just pretend there is NOTHING here if that will make you and other bitter fans feel better. The NHL will be back soon as we both know, and a lot of people chose to either: Go to Moose games while they are here OR stay away from Moose Hockey. It doesn’t change the fact our AHL Franchise is one of the most successful teams right now in the league.
You pose a question to Darren ( and any Moose Fans ): “What’s so great about this situation again?”
- Who said it was so great? Obviously not Darren! He runs a “Return of the Jets” campaign ya know….so obviously he isn’t 100% happy with it. As far as “Moose Fans” like myself and others; We support the AHL while it’s here, it’s a good void for live hockey until the NHL Comes back and there is NOTHING wrong with that! You have constantly pushed your opinion that you think the AHL is horrible however; it’s still hockey.
Another thing; you posed the question of if I’d support our AHL franchise if they were affiliated with the Coyotes OR Hurricanes. Well I don’t even need to respond to this because we are NOT affiliated nor have we ever had the option to be affiliated with those franchises.
The AHL has helped our chances substantially of being able to attain another NHL Franchise. Obviously, there is a new ownership group that will be in charge of such a franchise and as I stated in the previous response:
“The AHL has provided Mark Chipman & True North the opportunity to gain experience in all aspects of owning and running not only a successful Hockey Franchise, but maintaining the 3rd busiest Indoor Venue within Canada, and 19th in the World! You don’t think the NHL wants someone that has proven themselves like they have in the NHL………”
That can only help our chances!
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 28, 2009 20:38:02 GMT -5
Okay; Well here's an excerpt from what I wrote on Darrens "Blog Page": This was in response to another reader blasting the Moose and saying they shouldn't be here: ** After this, we'll get chatting about the Lightning again okay! ** You say “We” couldn’t stand the Canucks. Well, certainly that was usually the theme in the playoffs however; “We” is a pretty bold statement. I never hated the Canucks & I know I’m not the only one to feel that way. ( The Oilers are a different story all together ) however Jason, you have to realize it’s been 12+ years since the Jets left and People have come to address and like other Canadian Franchises since the Jets departure! Not everyone still hates the Oilers, Canucks, etc…..so, who cares if we are their affiliate! Second; I agree with you 100% that Winnipeg DOES NOT have to prove a thing to the NHL or anyone for that matter. We have been & always will be an NHL City first and foremost however, this city would certainly entertain the fact we have a successful AHL Franchise than nothing at all! Let’s not forget: Our AHL Franchise has given Winnipeg the New NHL Caliber Arena we have today. MTS Centre would not have been built for any other Professional League in this city. We would still have the old, decrepit Winnipeg Arena, run by W.E.C, No True North ownership group, etc…… AHL = Second Greatest Hockey League in the World. There is no arguing this statement. And in this case, you obviously don’t like it and don’t support it and have voiced your opinion on the matter time after time after time. If you don’t like it, don’t worry about it then. Just pretend there is NOTHING here if that will make you and other bitter fans feel better. The NHL will be back soon as we both know, and a lot of people chose to either: Go to Moose games while they are here OR stay away from Moose Hockey. It doesn’t change the fact our AHL Franchise is one of the most successful teams right now in the league. You pose a question to Darren ( and any Moose Fans ): “What’s so great about this situation again?” - Who said it was so great? Obviously not Darren! He runs a “Return of the Jets” campaign ya know….so obviously he isn’t 100% happy with it. As far as “Moose Fans” like myself and others; We support the AHL while it’s here, it’s a good void for live hockey until the NHL Comes back and there is NOTHING wrong with that! You have constantly pushed your opinion that you think the AHL is horrible however; it’s still hockey. Another thing; you posed the question of if I’d support our AHL franchise if they were affiliated with the Coyotes OR Hurricanes. Well I don’t even need to respond to this because we are NOT affiliated nor have we ever had the option to be affiliated with those franchises. The AHL has helped our chances substantially of being able to attain another NHL Franchise. Obviously, there is a new ownership group that will be in charge of such a franchise and as I stated in the previous response: “The AHL has provided Mark Chipman & True North the opportunity to gain experience in all aspects of owning and running not only a successful Hockey Franchise, but maintaining the 3rd busiest Indoor Venue within Canada, and 19th in the World! You don’t think the NHL wants someone that has proven themselves like they have in the NHL………”That can only help our chances! Okay, well here's Rant from 2004 and response from Darren...nothing has changed as far as I'm concerned: March 9, 2004 - Ric O. (Winnipeg, Manitoba)
If people like the Moose and want to go see them play that's fine with me. When people say that they prefer the Moose because it's good enough and cheap, that's fine, but don't tell me that I have to spend even a nickel of my money watching something I actually find offensive if we're to have any hope of getting the Jets back. That's bull. Believe me, I wish I could get a rush watching the Moose but when you don't feel it, you don't feel it. And by the way it doesn't make me any less of a hockey fan. I'd rather watch MJHL and do.
The Moose and the Jets, the AHL and NHL are completely different issues and anyone who would question our NHL fan support is ignorant of the facts and really needs to be educated on the sport that Winnipeg has embraced for over 100 years. If the hockey world is really sitting back judging Winnipeggers love of hockey by our support of the Moose the they're just completely ignorant, plain and simple.I just had to grab this one from the guestbook. It really puts the issue in perspective. To summarize: if you like Moose hockey, all the power to you. However, not everyone does and that has no connection with the chances of regaining an NHL franchise. Nor should it create a divide between us hockey fans. We ALL want the Jets back. In the meantime, some of us will watch the Moose and some of us won't (...and O'Calcutta will remain the lone merchant across from MTS Centre.) Well put Ric. Now, okay...of course, back to the Lightning. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 28, 2009 20:55:28 GMT -5
Back to the Lightning, that is one team that would look sweet playing on Portage avenue 42+ nights a year ;D
It would be nice to nab them before they dump Vinny and Martin though.
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 28, 2009 21:00:17 GMT -5
Back to the Lightning, that is one team that would look sweet playing on Portage avenue 42+ nights a year ;D It would be nice to nab them before they dump Vinny and Martin though. Yeah, no kidding! I think they could easily be contenders again with just a bit of tweaking. |
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Post by bettmanblows on Feb 28, 2009 22:47:02 GMT -5
I don't know...I consider myself a real hockey fan but I can't stand the Moose...never could. I don't get you guys that tell us we have to support the Moose if we're real hockey fans. Good for you and Jimi though...not wanting to rain on the team you guys obviously love very much. I think of the moose like this... You dated the hotest chearleader in school for years and years...she moves away and your stuck with the fat chick in band class...you try and love the fat band chick as much as you can but you always long for the hot chearleader..the first day the chearleader moves back you dump the fat band class chick for your first love and live happily ever after. Hey the moose aint the jets guys no one argues that..but support and love 'em for what they are. no one here who supports the moose (my self included) would rather rather have a A.H.L franchise then a N.H.L franchise. The day we get a N.H.L team I'm dumping the moose..Till then i'm loving my fat band chick. |
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 28, 2009 23:02:44 GMT -5
I don't know...I consider myself a real hockey fan but I can't stand the Moose...never could. I don't get you guys that tell us we have to support the Moose if we're real hockey fans. Good for you and Jimi though...not wanting to rain on the team you guys obviously love very much. I think of the moose like this... You dated the hotest chearleader in school for years and years...she moves away and your stuck with the fat chick in band class...you try and love the fat band chick as much as you can but you always long for the hot chearleader..the first day the chearleader moves back you dump the fat band class chick for your first love and live happily ever after. Hey the moose aint the jets guys no one argues that..but support and love 'em for what they are. no one here who supports the moose (my self included) would rather rather have a A.H.L franchise then a N.H.L franchise. The day we get a N.H.L team I'm dumping the moose..Till then i'm loving my fat band chick. Yeah, I like that and I do see your point of view on this. One thing to consider though: maybe as long as that cheerleader thinks you're happy with the band chick, there's no reason for her to think or care that you want her back. Next thing you know you've missed your chance, you're old, she's knocked up and married someone else and there's no going back. |
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Post by crazycanuck on Feb 28, 2009 23:22:42 GMT -5
lol!! This thread is now waaay off track (funny though)
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Post by razorsedge on Mar 1, 2009 0:53:01 GMT -5
I don't know...I consider myself a real hockey fan but I can't stand the Moose...never could. I don't get you guys that tell us we have to support the Moose if we're real hockey fans. Good for you and Jimi though...not wanting to rain on the team you guys obviously love very much. I think of the moose like this... You dated the hotest chearleader in school for years and years...she moves away and your stuck with the fat chick in band class...you try and love the fat band chick as much as you can but you always long for the hot chearleader..the first day the chearleader moves back you dump the fat band class chick for your first love and live happily ever after. Hey the moose aint the jets guys no one argues that..but support and love 'em for what they are. no one here who supports the moose (my self included) would rather rather have a A.H.L franchise then a N.H.L franchise. The day we get a N.H.L team I'm dumping the moose..Till then i'm loving my fat band chick. This is the best and most accurate analogy I've read yet! I used to hate, hate, hate the Moose. But I've always been a believer of support the Moose and all other levels of hockey in Winnipeg only enhances Winnipeg's image of being a true hockey market. I hate watching teams with a superstar like Lecavalier suck. Trade him already. Preferably to Edmonton! |
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Post by omnimaga on Mar 7, 2009 21:45:32 GMT -5
The only gripe I have with the Moose is that I find it quite ironic that they put the farm team of a Jets rival team right in Winnipeg. I could understand people not going at the games or only going when their favourite AHL team (if any) plays against the Moose. However, personally it is my favourite AHL team, even if I don't like the Canucks.
The same thing happened in Quebec city in 1998, altough the fans reacted even more badly than in Winnipeg. They decided to move the MTL Habs farm team into Habs enemy territory and they drew about 4K per game and moved to Hamilton only after 3 seasons. Even the QMJHL team playing in the same arena drew better crowds and it's one or two levels lower in terms of caliber
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Post by Brent on Mar 7, 2009 22:05:26 GMT -5
I was watching the Lightning on Centre Ice the other day and they mentioned that season ticket and mini-pack prices for 90% of seats would be significantly reduced next year. By ordering now, you can save at least 20% off whatever these new prices are.
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Post by flippy on Mar 25, 2009 10:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by jhendrix70 on Mar 25, 2009 11:51:36 GMT -5
Wow...9 years with Tampa Bay, A Stanley Cup Ring..and due to "restructuring" he's out! Good on his son to try and help him find a new Job. I'm sure it will be a huge help! In times like this, it helps to be creative. There are people who have been laid off that hand out their resume's at busy street intersections all over the US. It helps to be creative! |
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Post by WJG on May 18, 2009 2:55:05 GMT -5
Back to the Lightning, that is one team that would look sweet playing on Portage avenue 42+ nights a year ;D It would be nice to nab them before they dump Vinny and Martin though. The very fact that they're trying to dump Vinny before his big contract kicks in is a pretty telling sign. When Nashville went up for sale in '07 and Balsillie almost bought and relocated them, they shed their salary big time and dumped most of their big contracts. Same thing happened to the Jets when they had to dump Selanne. I still think if any team relocates to Winnipeg, it'll be the Lightning. |
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