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Post by USApegger on Feb 27, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
I am confused about Darren's estimate on the luxury suites. He has a season price of $150,000 for each suite but I don't see where he has the cost of the tickets for the games included in his revenue charts.
Is it because tickets are included for all events with the suites? If that is the case based on 12 seats, that means each ticket over a 44 game schedule is worth $284 ea if it were just based on hockey tickets. This doesn't include the tickets for Aerosmith, Cher, the circus or whatever else comes to the MTS Center.
I am sure that in the States, you rent the suite and then have to buy the tickets for each event as well.
Maybe someone or Darren could clarify this for me.
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Post by icecoldian on Feb 28, 2006 2:31:22 GMT -5
Thats a very good point...
I was always under the impression that you purchased the box, and then purchased tickets for each event as well... I could be wrong though.
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Post by renegade204 on Mar 21, 2006 19:17:08 GMT -5
i use to work in the suites at the MTSC, im pretty sure that you have to buy the tix seperatly. I bet they make lots of money off the food up there, its rediculassy expensive. Sorry i can't remember the rules to well. lol.
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Post by JETStender on May 7, 2006 0:06:28 GMT -5
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS!
When you lease a suite it includes X # of tickets to it's main tennant's games. I.E MTS Centre - Moose tix included.
Concerts, the Circus, Disney, motorcross, curling, or whatever else are optional and extra.
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Post by USApegger on May 7, 2006 14:41:30 GMT -5
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS! When you lease a suite it includes X # of tickets to it's main tennant's games. I.E MTS Centre - Moose tix included. Concerts, the Circus, Disney, motorcross, curling, or whatever else are optional and extra. Well we have to go through this until someone provides the answer. So you are sure about this? Do you have a link? If you are correct, then everyone's revenue projections based on 15015 seats is wrong. |
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 2:21:17 GMT -5
Atlanta Thrasherswww.philipsarena.com/Content/view.aspx?CID=4ed0e62b-280a-43ab-aaaa-8ad4a0f56529&MnLevel=2|4Our Hospitality Suites accommodate 8-23 people. Small Hospitality Suites include: * 8 tickets (with the option to purchase 4 additional tickets) * Seats and barstools * 2 VIP parking passes * Televisions, wet bar and refrigerator * Suite is located in our private Bank of American Club * Suite is located in the lower level behind sections 101 or 107 Large Hospitality Suites include: * 15 tickets (with the option to purchase 8 additional tickets) * Seats and barstools * 3 VIP parking passes * Televisions, wet bar and refrigerator * Suite is located in our private Bank of American Club * Suite is located in the lower level behind sections 101 or 107 Chicago Blackhawkswww.chicagoblackhawks.com/tickets/SuitesandBanquets.aspThe Chicago Blackhawks and Bismarck Enterprises offer a variety of exciting and luxurious packages for entertaining your valued guests in a private suite. Our 20-person Club and Penthouse Level Suites, as well as our 40- and 80-person Super Suites, provide excellent panoramic views of the ice surface. The all-inclusive packages provide multiple easy and effective options for entertaining business clients, hosting sales meetings, or celebrating a special event with family and friends. All suites include tickets to the game, parking passes, your choice of food and beverage packages, a private attendant and a four-hour open bar. Colorado Avalanchewww.pepsicenter.com/suiterentals/multiyear.aspSuite Privileges: * Tickets and close-in parking spaces to every covered event in Pepsi Center.
* Opportunity to purchase additional seats for every event. * Special discounts on merchandise, plus free game programs and stat sheets delivered to your suite. * Monthly calendar detailing upcoming events. * State-of-the-art business services, such as fax machines, audio and visual equipment for pregame meetings. * Access to your suite and private meeting rooms, available every business day, even when there are no scheduled events. You can book your next retreat, business meeting or presentation at Pepsi Center. * Access to promotional opportunities including public address and scoreboard announcements, program advertising, Tip-Off and Face-Off Luncheons with the players. * Assistance in managing ticket donations for charitable causes. * Access to private dining reservations in The Ridgeline. * Cable T.V. and internet access in the suite
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 2:33:12 GMT -5
Dallas Stars (includes Mavs) www.americanairlinescenter.com/index.cfm/FuseAction/page/PageID/41 * More than 40 Dallas Stars home games * More than 40 Dallas Mavericks home games * The right to purchase unique sporting events (NBA playoffs, NBA All-Star Game, NHL playoffs, NHL All-Star Game, and NCAA Tournament games) LUXURY SUITE FEATURES 12-person stadium seating with option to purchase additional seating
* Full wet bar, including refrigerator and icemaker * Unique interior finishes * Two TV monitors, with live feeds of game in progress or satellite feeds of other events * Internet access * Complimentary game programs * A host of other luxury appointments Detroit Red Wings. www.detroitredwings.com/tickets/suites.jsp?id=486Suite Lease Options Joe Louis Arena has 83 Executive Suites (78 on the fourth level and 5 "Super Suites" on the third level) that provide the utmost in luxury and convenience for entertaining clients, rewarding employees or enjoying a night out with family and friends. Suiteholder benefits and amenities: * 20 tickets to all events held at Joe Louis Arena * Each Suite is custom designed and fully furnished with a wet bar, private restroom, 12 arena seats and 2 televisions * Full service catering by our in house Hospitality Department * Full service Housekeeping staff * Suiteholder entrance on the West side of the arena and two entrances to access the Suite level * Membership to our private "members only" Olympia Club * Private parties and Holiday gifts LA KINGSwww.staplescenter.com/content/default.sps?itype=6767&icustompageid=9982Exclusive VIP Benefits * Events - From the Kings, Lakers and Clippers to family shows, concerts and playoff games, you can receive more than 150 world-class events a year. * Additional Tickets - You may purchase a limited number of extra tickets for each event you attend. * Parking - Every suite comes with two VIP parking passes in Southwest VIP parking (Lot 1) and the option to purchase additional passes. * Private Entrance - Being a suite-holder entitles you to your own private entrance. You may enter through the Star Plaza VIP entrance or the Southwest VIP entrance.
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 2:40:50 GMT -5
Minnesota Wildwww.wild.com/tickets/ExecutiveSuites.html Suiteholder Benefits and Amenities * 12-18 Fixed seats for Wild Games and other arena events
* Access to purchase eight additional suite tickets for every event Montreal Canadianswww.centrebell.ca/eng/seating/luxurySuites.cfmPackages include - One luxury suite - 12 tickets per game- Two indoor parking spaces - An exclusive entrance, with concierge - Hostess service - Open bar Other available services* - Up to eight additional tickets- Catering and fast food service *Additional fees may apply Nashville Predatorswww.nashvillepredators.com/tickets/suites.asp# 14-16 Suite tickets to all events at the Gaylord Entertainment Center*# Two (2) VIP parking passes in the Gaylord Entertainment Center garage * The Nashville Predators reserve the right to designate up to three (3) Premium Events per year. For these premium events, Suite holders will have the option to purchase tickets for their suite. SEC tournament tickets are not included in suite license. Some suites may be obstructed for specific shows and events. For obstructed events, suite holders have the opportunity to purchase seating elsewhere.
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 2:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 3:12:47 GMT -5
Phoenix Coyoteswww.glendalearenaaz.com/tickets/luxury_suite_info.phpLuxury Suites include 12 or 18 ticketed seats with the option to purchase 8 SRO’s (Standing Room Only) tickets on an individual event basis.Pittsburgh Penguinswww.pittsburghpenguins.com/tickets/seats.php#suitesincludes 12 tickets to all events4 Additional Standing Room Only Tickets Available for Purchase Per Game San Jose Sharkswww.sjsharks.com/suites/information1.html# 10-20 seats for every San Jose Sharks games and all other public events held at the Pavilion.# The ability to purchase standing room only tickets for your suite for any event. # 3-5 parking passes per suite (1 for every 4 seats). St. Louis Blueswww.Go Jets Go.com/tickets/party_rooms.html Penthouse Suites Enjoy the view from the top in one of our private suites, a great option for entertaining a smaller group in corporate suite style. Suite amenities include telephone service, a private restroom, coat closet and closed circuit televisions so you won’t miss a single replay. One price includes: * 1 6 penthouse suite game tickets (12 seats and four standing room) * Two parking passes for the attached garage * Two cases of Anheuser-Busch beer
* Two bottles of wine
* One case (total) of soft drinks and bottled water
* Three hot food items (choose from spicy chicken wings, toasted ravioli, chicken strips, cannelloni bites or kosher-style hot dogs)
* Dry snacks (popcorn and pretzels) * Scoreboard and p.a. recognition * Official Blues game notes Now thats what I call service! Toronto Maple Leafswww.theaircanadacentre.com/pdf/20052006__Suite_Rental_Information_Package_Website7.pdfVancouver Canuckswww.canucks.com/subpage.asp?sectionID=119
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Post by JETStender on May 12, 2006 3:36:57 GMT -5
In closing I think that should just about clear it up finally. My revenue projections I made here returnofthejets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=ROTJ&action=display&thread=1138078265 back in January was based on "ticket sales" only. I did not included suite seats. I did however use 13657. Nobody wold believe me when I said you cant use 15015 for projecting revenue, Hatrick and others even had it out with me. Now Finally we get the true info released. Actuall number is 13702  |
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Post by USApegger on May 12, 2006 7:34:40 GMT -5
In closing I think that should just about clear it up finally. My revenue projections I made here returnofthejets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=ROTJ&action=display&thread=1138078265 back in January was based on "ticket sales" only. I did not included suite seats. I did however use 13657. Nobody wold believe me when I said you cant use 15015 for projecting revenue, Hatrick and others even had it out with me. Now Finally we get the true info released. Actuall number is 13702 Thank you, that does clear it up now |
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Post by hatrick007 on May 12, 2006 11:01:21 GMT -5
In closing I think that should just about clear it up finally. My revenue projections I made here returnofthejets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=ROTJ&action=display&thread=1138078265 back in January was based on "ticket sales" only. I did not included suite seats. I did however use 13657. Nobody wold believe me when I said you cant use 15015 for projecting revenue, Hatrick and others even had it out with me. Now Finally we get the true info released. Actuall number is 13702 I never once argued about the 15015 number for seat revenue, and I know that for a fact. I always used about 14,000 for my revenue projections on seat sales as about 1,000 are in luxury boxes. What we did argue over was the # of seats there is outside of the luxury boxes, and I remember right I said it was like 14,000ish, whereas you kept using the 13,700 number (which you are using again now) but the problem is... that 13,700 + the amount of seats that are supposed to be in the suites does not add up to 15,015...as I believe there is supposed to be about 1100 suite seats? I'm sure its buried somewhere on the board and I dont have time to dig it up again... so w/e. |
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Post by JETStender on May 13, 2006 11:00:06 GMT -5
I never once argued about the 15015 number for seat revenue, and I know that for a fact. I always used about 14,000 for my revenue projections on seat sales as about 1,000 are in luxury boxes. I never said you argued about the 15015 for seat revenue, but you do as to the capacity for mtsc. So let me get this straight. You are still disputing the fact that there are only 13702 (not including the suites) even though I have posted a photo from ticketmaster that states there is only 13702 "sellable seats". This was my point exactly. The number of seats in the suites is not the problem, in theory anyway. It'd actually 1120 total available "spots", I'll explain later. Here is the original thread regarding capacity. returnofthejets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=ROTJ&action=display&thread=1105305318As for the suites, there are 40 suites (including the party suites) with 16 "SEATS" and 10 with 18 "seats" For a total of 820 seats included in the "Leased price" .There is an option of purchasing 6 additional "TICKETS" per suite, thats an additional 300 Tickets. For a total of 1120 suite capacity. Here's a link to confirm. www.mtscentre.ca/suites/party_suites.pdf The problem has always been your stuck on 15015 as total capacity when it's actually 14822. The discrepancy comes from what there was "supposed to be" and what there actually is. This is the link to the Quick facts on the mtsc www.mtscentre.ca/arena/index.phpAs you can see the figures here are from the design stage and were posted in 2002. None of these figures add up and never have. The only true figures are the suites. Upper bowl was supposed to have 6203, actual figure 6072. Lower Bowl 8812 seats (includes private suites, party suites and club seats). Actual 8750. Club seats 936. Actual 857. Sections 218 and 219 were also to be club sections but got changed in the process. Proof here  This is an early photo that was posted on truenorths's web site very early in the build stage, but has since been removed. Luckily I saved a copy. Hattrick are you still going to dispute these figures as I have posted links and facts to verify all information. When using numbers for revenue, 820 is included for suites. 13702 for regular seating and 300 for additional suite seats. For a total of 14822. |
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Post by hatrick007 on May 14, 2006 21:52:29 GMT -5
Good stuff with the info on the suites... where did you get the info that theres 16 in 40 suites, and 18 in 10 others though? I previously estimated 16 people per suite the last time I see, so theres a change, however are those 6 additional tickets available in ALL suites, or just the party suites though?
For the club seating, my assumption on that reduction is that they didnt make the ones at centre ice shown in your pic into the final design, which might be about the 100 missing club seats, which would make it irelevenat to total # of seats if thats the case.
Either way, it still doesnt make sense to me that they annonce the sellouts at the #'s that they do... yet ticketmaster shows those #'s(and they did back in January too, so nothing has changed)... is there standing room only tickets sold when they sellout or something? I tried checking other arenas, and the few I looked at show the seating diagram.... but not capacity #'s. Weird... why would MTSC show it though... especially if it appears to not be what it is?
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Post by JETStender on May 15, 2006 8:54:20 GMT -5
Good stuff with the info on the suites... where did you get the info that theres 16 in 40 suites, and 18 in 10 others though? I previously estimated 16 people per suite the last time I see, so theres a change, however are those 6 additional tickets available in ALL suites, or just the party suites though?[/quote] I have/had, just cant seem to find it right now, a large master seating plan that I guess was to go to ticketmaster retailers, yet nobody seems to have them. Anyway, on the seating chart you can see each seat, including suites. 40 had 16 and 10 had 18. The 6, and only 6 additional tickets are available to every suite. No we cant cram 100 people into every box!Well actually, if they did put the club seats in 217/218 there would be even less total seats in the MTS centre. The club seats are wider than the normal seats, with more space between seats. This is why I believe they eliminated them and put in regular seats. Exactly! It doesn't make sense. Why lie about capacity. There are no SRO tickets sold that I know of yet. The only place there could be SRO is in the Labatt lounge, and even then I'd say 20 max. All arenas show capacity to some level. The reason they do this is promoters need this info when booking concerts and other shows. Hence the reason the ol' barn was getting passed over. Some are just harder to find. Here is a couple. Rexall Place Edmonton - www.northlands.com/facilities/pdfs/rp_tech_overview.pdfGM Place Vancouver www.canucks.com/images/GM%20Place/seatingmaps/full360hky.pdf |
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Post by JETStender on May 15, 2006 8:56:02 GMT -5
Another funny thing. Here is a picture of the Hockey capacity of the MTSC from mtscentre.com  Now the one from ticketmaster.com Notice: 100 Level capicity = 52 seats dissapeared 200 Level capicity = 2 seats dissapeared 300 Level capicity = 13 seats dissapeared First if we take the 67 seats that disapeared add it to the 14822 we now know of, we still only get 14949. Wheres the other 66 seats. Oh yea, they were never there. The arena never had a capacity of 15015. |
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Post by hatrick007 on May 15, 2006 17:16:23 GMT -5
Strange... especially that MTSC and Ticketmaster have conflicting #'s...
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