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Post by blackthorne on Feb 16, 2005 23:19:58 GMT -5
What kind of idiot WOULDN'T go to a Bomber game because "It's played in a dome!" ?
On the other hand, I know of TONS of people that wouldn't go to a Bomber game because the weather is bad!
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Post by Yar on Feb 17, 2005 3:14:53 GMT -5
i'll go to a bomber game either way. i have been to games in all conditions. a dome will change any of that.
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Post by Yar on Feb 17, 2005 3:15:22 GMT -5
i would still prefer a partially covered stadium.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 17, 2005 14:20:34 GMT -5
What kind of idiot WOULDN'T go to a Bomber game because "It's played in a dome!" ? On the other hand, I know of TONS of people that wouldn't go to a Bomber game because the weather is bad! You must not have spoken to too many people then. Try checking out a football game at BC Place or Skydome. It's usually 2/3 empty, and you can hear a pin drop. Not very fun whatsoever. This is exactly why Montreal moved from the Big O. Now watching an Alouettes game looks exciting again. You can put me on record as saying after the novelty wears off, Blue Bomber attendance will suffer in a Domed stadium.
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Post by blackthorne on Feb 17, 2005 14:25:26 GMT -5
Maybe you're right. I'm also aware the Twins and Vikings are desperate to get away from the Metrodome.
Truth is though, B.C. and Toronto aren't, and never have been very good CFL markets. I'm sure the atmosphere would be incredible if the SkyDome and B.C. Place were sold out for CFL football. They're both fairly modern facilities as well.
The "Big O" is a different story. In a word - it's crappy. Too much concrete. Ugly colours. Outdated and obselete.
It's all about MONEY.... and the Bombers lose a lot of $ when the weather is lousy. That's a fact.
If the dome was state-of-the-art and comfortable, the fans would come. And keep coming too. I really believe that.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 17, 2005 14:54:31 GMT -5
Toronto is in the process of building a 30,000 seat outdoor stadium for the Argonauts. I wouldn't be suprised if BC is comtemplating a move to the old PNE grounds.
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Post by locch on Feb 18, 2005 17:38:43 GMT -5
Totally open-air. I love watching games outdoors especially in the winter. I'm a huge Denver Broncos fan and I just love watching them play at home in the winter. Remember the ESPN Sunday nighter game Raiders against the Broncos at Invesco Field it was late November. They were covered in snow. That game was awesome even though they lost 25-24. It was football at it's finest...........Oh the excitement. We have the same thing happen here from time to time and it just wouldn't be the same with a dome. Keep it open.
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Post by MOC on Feb 18, 2005 17:46:06 GMT -5
Many of the great Grey Cup games have been influenced by the weather such as the Fog Bowl of 1962, and the Snow Bowl of a few years ago, Toronto vs. Saskatchewan (?). Any time an NFL game is played in the snow, it's a treat to watch. I still say that they should play the Super Bowl in Green Bay some time.
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Post by bigchris on Feb 19, 2005 0:45:33 GMT -5
Actually the Snow Bowl was Edmonton vs Toronto.
I have to say again, a dome is not the answer. I love the cold weather during home playoff gaims because dome teams like BC and Toronto, (when we were in the East,) had to play cold weather football against us. If I had a loonie for every playoff that the Bombers won because of the weather advantage, I would be owner of the next Jets.
Green Bay loves their open air stadium, New England has built a dynasty on theirs. On the other hand Minnesota has been trying to get out of the Metrodump for 15 years. (And they have never won an away gaim in the playoffs since they moved to the dome...) Open air stadiums are more fun and have a great atmosphere. If we build a dome I will never go to another gaim unless it is the Grey Cup.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 19, 2005 18:23:50 GMT -5
The Alouettes didn't have much sucess at Olympic Stadium before folding in 1987. When they regained their franchise in the late 90's, they moved to McGill University, where they are a very sucessful team.
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Post by thebandit on Feb 27, 2005 1:17:02 GMT -5
I want a dome!
I'm a big Bombers fan but I don't want to buy a ticket to a game if it's freezing or raining. And neither do many, many other 'Peggers.
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Post by wimps on Feb 27, 2005 14:12:05 GMT -5
Retractable roof like the New Wembley, not entirely sealed, but allows the new digs to be used for more than 10 Bomber games per year. Include the latest artificial sports turf.
Conventions, minor football, soccer, int'l soccer, rugby, at $160 mil (Wembley's style roof doesn't look too expensive), you'll need lots of dates to make this work.
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Post by jetblood on Mar 1, 2005 0:39:04 GMT -5
I'd much rather sit in a comforbable dome and watch a bomber game then sit in the upper decks at Canad Inns stadium and get shiit on by the pigens. Plus I would much rather drink my beer comforbably then have it freeze to the cup holder in October/November. A dome would benifit us alot more and could hold many activities in the winter which would generate more money. When you think of this you have to think of the overall picture and we would benifit from a dome much more then having it in the open. If all comes to worse and we need to make everyone happy have a retractable dome that you can have open or closed like sky domes or the new Rogers stadium w/e you wanna call it.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 1, 2005 11:48:14 GMT -5
Agreed.
And I'm sick and tired of people saying "It's Canadian football, It's *meant* to be played outdoors!! I love watching the Bombers in the rain and the freezing cold!!"
Well the bottom line is money- and thousands of people won't buy tickets for games where the weather is lousy.
True, the Lions and Argo's would both love to get out of their domes, but that's because they're not fan-friendly.. they weren't designed with the CFL in mind.
A new Bomber dome *designed specifically* for CFL football will draw fans and present a great atmosphere; I've no doubts of this.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 1, 2005 21:00:05 GMT -5
And I'm sick and tired of people saying "It's Canadian football, It's *meant* to be played outdoors!! I love watching the Bombers in the rain and the freezing cold!!" That's the attitude of most Winnipeggers... Completely false. Name one football team where attendance rose when a Dome stadium was built. Do the teams Montreal, BC Lions, Toronto, Green Bay, Seattle, etc. ring a bell? Football IS intended to be played outdoors. They want to get out of the staduims, just like Montreal because hardly anyone wants to see a football game in a Dome stadium. Does the Fargo Dome ring a bell? It would draw fans for the first two years. Once the novelty wore off, expect the Bombers attendance to plummet. It will make a terrible atmosphere as well. Nothing like a Saskatchewan-Winnipeg playoff game in early November in natural conditions. A Dome would drive fans away.
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Post by jetblood on Mar 2, 2005 3:14:54 GMT -5
Couldent disagree more. Toronto,BC, and Montreal arent great footbal markets. We love our footbal and have better attedances then all these places. Tornto averages what 20 000 fans a game. And Montreal sure they sell out every game but dont forget thats only 21 000 fans. We support footbal with an average of 29 000 fans a game with a crappy staidum. Attendance will only get better with a fan friendly dome like BT said. Toronto and BC arent fan friendly and very good markets.( they dont care about footbal the same as we do)
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Post by MOC on Mar 2, 2005 12:20:33 GMT -5
So because we're a good football market, and Toronto and Vancouver aren't, we should settle for a dome while they build new open-air stadiums to attract more people to games As a football market, we should showcase the best football itself has to offer, and that includes playing outside.
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Post by jetblood on Mar 2, 2005 14:54:53 GMT -5
Well like I said above if all comes to worse build a retractable dome that can be opened or closed to make people like you happy. I cant see the point of having it open all the time just to play 9 regular season games and a couple concerts during the summer. Use your imagination and think of all the revenue ideas you can have in the winter time and not just make it asseible during the summer months. Even if Toronto or BC get's a new outdoor staidium built they still wont gererate more then 25000 fans a game with an enclosed or open air stadium.
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Post by MOC on Mar 2, 2005 15:23:28 GMT -5
Use your imagination and think of all the revenue ideas you can have in the winter time and not just make it asseible during the summer months. We've got a brand new arena and there are plans for a huge expansion of the Convention Centre. Add to it the space underneath the bleachers at the new stadium regardless of its open or closed in, and there's a hell of a lot of space in this city for other events. Commonwealth Stadium in Edmonton is only accessible during warmer months, and they have winters as cold as we have. Yet, they'd never settle for a dome.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 2, 2005 17:49:40 GMT -5
Couldent disagree more. Toronto,BC, and Montreal arent great footbal markets. We love our footbal and have better attedances then all these places. Tornto averages what 20 000 fans a game. And Montreal sure they sell out every game but dont forget thats only 21 000 fans. First off, Toronto, Montreal, and BC ARE good football markets. You should do a bit of research into the history of CFL football in Canada before making such ridiculous comments. Vancouver packed the PNE Stadium throughout the 70's and early 80's, before BC Place was built. Once completed in 1983, the Lions packed in 40,000+ for the first 3 or 4 seasons, which was a combination of a good team, and the novelty of a Dome. Once the novelty wore off, and the Lions went through a rebuilding process, attendance deteriorated to a point they have closed 1/2 of the sections. Toronto used to pack Exhibition Stadium, up until the mid 1980's. The "Blackout" rule in the Toronto area turned off a generation of football fans in Southern Ontario. It didn't help that T.O. fans still have the pipe dream that the NFL will oneday land a team there. Skydome did nothing for football in Toronto. It killed the atmosphere, and attendance dwindled. Now Toronto is desperate to get out of the Dome. Montreal had some of the record crowds in the Olympic Stadium in the late 70's when it first opened, and the Alouettes were hot. Bad ownership, a lousy team, and a bad stadium drove the fans away. By the time the Alouettes folded in 1987, they were averaging 5,000 fans in a 68,000 seat stadium. Now tickets to see an Alouettes game are red hot. True, there is only room for just over 20,000 fans, but they charge the most, of all teams for tickets. It is a great setting for football to be played- downtown Montreal. Winnipeg is much better off without a Dome stadium. It would take away something special from the Blue Bomber experience...
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