AJ
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Post by AJ on Feb 22, 2005 12:42:55 GMT -5
Any hockey fan has to side with the owners... it's that simple. The owners are the ones that dictate ticket prices, etc. AND are the ones that have to make a profit to keep the business alive.
The term "fair" is being tossed around a lot by players who don't understand the meaning of the word; these are the same guys who have taken away positions in other leagues during the lockout without a second thought.
The bottom line is this: players are loyal to nothing but the paycheck. Owners are the ones who determine the locations where they can make a decent profit. Therefore, if you are a Canadian, and want to be able to see NHL hockey live AND have a team to call your own, there is only one side to be on... the side of the people who make that happen - the owners.
In the meantime, patience is the key... the NHL has to stick to the goal of fixing the game and making it financially feasible to operate teams in small market Canadian cities. Otherwise, we will be relegated to watching the NHL on TV and adopting some other team to cheer for.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Feb 22, 2005 13:32:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that if you started up a poll everyone would side with the owners. It's common sense.
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Post by AJ on Feb 22, 2005 14:04:18 GMT -5
Trevor,
I agree with you... that's why it's so frustrating to see these former player analysts on cable sports networks spout off about fairness, bad faith negotiations, etc., Healy is fairly brutal but Kyprios takes the cake. Kelly Hrudey was interviewed and started off by saying "I'm not taking sides" only to proceed with the standard rhetoric of slamming owners, the NHL, etc.
I would love to see the moderators take them to task for a change. At least to have them admit they are completely on the side of the players. This mirage of objectivity has to stop.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 22, 2005 15:42:32 GMT -5
I side with the owners because they are the lessor of the two evils, not because I respect them...
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Feb 22, 2005 17:24:05 GMT -5
Sorry AJ, didn't mean for my post to sound derogatory towards you. I agree whole heartedly with you. I came off a bit haste, my apologies. They should take this to a vote. I think that the majority of players would agree with the salary cap. Case closed on that one.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 22, 2005 18:03:38 GMT -5
Sorry AJ, didn't mean for my post to sound derogatory towards you. I agree whole heartedly with you. I came off a bit haste, my apologies. They should take this to a vote. I think that the majority of players would agree with the salary cap. Case closed on that one. I think the Players would vote in favor of a salary cap. It's too bad the players in the twilight of their careers (i.e. Modano, Linden, Chelios, Hull, etc.) think they are speaking in the best interest of the "union".
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Feb 23, 2005 2:04:20 GMT -5
It's too bad the players in the twilight of their careers (i.e. Modano, Linden, Chelios, Hull, etc.) think they are speaking in the best interest of the "union". Very true. I find it hard to believe that a group of like 25 guys can speak for all 600 of them. I think it's just stupid. I'm sure they speak for a small handful of players but definately not the fair majority. They feel it's the "best interest" for everyone as you pointed out, but there are young guys out there who just want to play. Not all hockey players are caught up in the money.
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Post by AJ on Feb 23, 2005 10:09:59 GMT -5
With the average NHL career something like 4 years, the bulk of players must be getting nervous to have a few 'stars' gambling with their futures... For many, 1/4 of their careers have just gone up in smoke. How many will be willing to give up half of their career so the 'elite' can push for higher contracts and make a killing at arbitration?
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Feb 23, 2005 16:02:39 GMT -5
I think there will be a massive player uprising very shortly, with players breaking with the NHLPA in droves. I think "Joe 3rd liner" is starting to realize that Trevor Linden isn't looking out for his best interests.
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Post by MOC on Feb 23, 2005 16:25:55 GMT -5
I think there will be a massive player uprising very shortly, with players breaking with the NHLPA in droves. I think "Joe 3rd liner" is starting to realize that Trevor Linden isn't looking out for his best interests. The funny thing is, is that at this point of his career, Trevor Linden basically is a Joe 3rd Liner. ...And I've always liked him as a player.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Feb 23, 2005 17:22:17 GMT -5
...And I've always liked him as a player. I second that, though I still feel he's good enough to be a 2nd line centre for a few more years.
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Post by MOC on Feb 23, 2005 17:52:51 GMT -5
I second that, though I still feel he's good enough to be a 2nd line centre for a few more years. Yeah, I guess so. He's one of those guys, like a Joe Nieuwendyk, who would be a decent player on any team.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Feb 23, 2005 17:55:58 GMT -5
Exactly, good comparison. Apparently the plan is for Ryan Kesler to replace Trevor Linden in the near future.
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Post by hawker14 on Feb 27, 2005 13:19:53 GMT -5
i'd support the owners if they had a plan in place for true revenue sharing amongst them.
i'd support the players if they didn't state emphatically for 2 years they'd never accept a cap.
i slightly lean towards the players since they've made imo big concessions, but in all honesty i don't support either. it's hard to pick the lesser of two evils.
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