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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 24, 2005 15:26:35 GMT -5
All this talk of the owners requesting more talks and submitting a new proposal has be worried. I still believe the Jets can work with a $50 million cap, but it gets pretty hard.
Are the owners going to cave to the players...? How would a $50 million cap help Carolina (I know, nothing can help Carolina).
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Post by KillerBrew on Jan 24, 2005 16:15:52 GMT -5
I can't see the owners caving. Why come this far, to the point where the players offer 24% in rollbacks, and just give up? If/When the NHL starts back up I vision a cap system of no more than 35mill, no less than 28mill. The players are shooting themselves in the foot, NHL offered a cap of 34-38mill, the players will end up getting the 28-35mill cap (thanks to an impasse that will let the owners set the cap as low as they like). The players will look back on that first NHL offer and think "Why the hell did we not accept that?". The players are fighting a battle they cannot win.
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Post by whiteout on Jan 24, 2005 16:29:56 GMT -5
Eventually the players will give in...eventually. Owners just have to keep holdin in, because by sometime next year I bet a bunch of em will jump ship and want to play, even with a cap. Hell, I bet half of them do now but get lashed out for speaking their mind. If hockey continues this way, its pretty much doing to die slowly anyway...so come on NHL, ya no hockey on right now is bad, but if its done the right way, fixed with a cap, its worth it in the long run. Fix the NHL, bring back the Jets, thats the way to do it. Oh, and ya who cares about Carolina..they shouldnt be there anyway
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Post by dreamcatcher on Jan 25, 2005 13:32:10 GMT -5
If the ownership groups truly are looking out for the small markets in the NHL, then they are actually looking out for the Canadian clubs such as Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal. The only large market Canadian team is Toronto, followed my Montreal and Vancouver. Even Melnyk's deep pockets cannot permanently withstand anything less than some sort of conformity linking hockey operational costs and salaries of players.
Personally? I am hoping the League holds out for two maybe even THREE years. This would likely weed out the highest paid players whom along wth Goodenow are controlling all of this, leaving upandcomers, rookies, roll players and those more deserved. I am however, just as concerned, regarding what exactly the ownership groups are doing to make this all work.
Unless, it is simply a ruse for the media and the public, with the NHL looking to show the world that they are actively pursuing a resolution, which will make it that much easier to implement a plan using replacement players do to an impasse. Of course, their attorneys must be diligently working at solving the problem of illegalities using replacement players in certain cities.
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Post by Yar on Jan 25, 2005 19:30:31 GMT -5
the owners would be stupid to buckle now. they have held out for this long. why not hold out longer to get the right deal. im sure the owners will remain stuborn as will the players and the season will be cancelled. its a bitter sweet situation for hockey.
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Post by PitbulI on Jan 26, 2005 2:18:00 GMT -5
How would some teams survive?
Lemieux only pays his entire team 11 million dollars. There's no way the city will build a new arena for a product that won't win no matter what. Mario knows he's got a sinking duck but he's ego will keep him from making smart decisions.
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Post by jets4ever on Jan 28, 2005 1:26:54 GMT -5
As of 7pm this evening talks have broken off, with no others scheduled. ;D
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Post by bigchris on Jan 28, 2005 1:50:24 GMT -5
It is January 28th in Japan right now. I think it is safe to say the NHL's 2004-05 season is DEAD!
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Post by jets4ever on Jan 28, 2005 11:19:01 GMT -5
It is January 28th in Japan right now. I think it is safe to say the NHL's 2004-05 season is DEAD! Nothing's official. But, I'd say it's over.
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Post by Yar on Jan 28, 2005 14:24:19 GMT -5
its all but official. time to put the season out of its misery.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 28, 2005 14:35:56 GMT -5
I would not be too suprised to see the NHL make one last official proposal and then challenge the PA to allow a membership vote. It's a scary deal for the PA. Even if it is voted down, if there are significant numbers that vote in a favour, they are screwed.
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Post by Ducky on Jan 28, 2005 21:17:59 GMT -5
A hard luxury tax would certainly help out small markets, like Wpg.
I seriously think the NHL will carefully wait for the perfect deal and then slowly implement the new financials and then slowly modify new rules in the new NHL. But at the same token I believe most NHL teams want the weak non-hockey markets out of the NHL that way the value of the NHL and its teams franchise values will rise. If it takes two years to weed out these then so be it. But I do think a team like carolina or anaheim will not hesitate in moving to Houston asap.
The longer the league is non operational weaker non-hockey markets will claim bankruptcy therefore their arena leases will be voided by bankruptcy.
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Post by jets4ever on Jan 29, 2005 1:42:21 GMT -5
A hard luxury tax would certainly help out small markets, like Wpg. The only way the NHL evens considers listening to anything to do with a Luxury Tax, is if it's dollar for dollar after the first 35 or 40 million. Now, that's a hard Luxury Tax.
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Post by jetblood on Feb 13, 2005 17:08:50 GMT -5
the owners will never cave there billioner's just wait till the lower payed players start running out of coin. There gonna put tons of pressure on the nhlpa to accept a cap and just start making money again.
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