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Post by jason on Jan 23, 2006 16:33:36 GMT -5
I'm really wondering who the heck in K.C. and Houston are going to buy "pro ice hockey" tickets... do you think people there are starving for this...? Do you think they even want it...? I often laugh at people on here who say they'll "understand" if the NHL goes there... and how they'd be "pretty good hockey markets".... Um... why?? Because they have big arenas? Because they're big cities? Those aren't reasons. Face it. The NHL going to either or both of these cities will be "experiments" that could fail. Sure, Dallas is successful... doesn't mean Houston will be. There's a whole lotta competition for sports $ in Houston. And people talk about Winnipeg "not being to afford it"... I'm surprised there are even ownership groups in these cities. If you were a wealthy person living in K.C. or Houston, would YOU want to be part of a "pro ice hockey" ownership group...? I'd think twice before I would..
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Post by crazycanuck on Jan 23, 2006 16:49:18 GMT -5
It's too bad BT but Houston will probably get a team before us - as you say an "experiment". Not that this is right but what can you do?!?!?
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 16:58:52 GMT -5
He's letting everyone know were not a small market franchise, which so many of you on here think we will be.
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Post by jeffrey93 on Jan 23, 2006 17:09:19 GMT -5
Do you know people in Kansas City or Houston? If not your statements are pretty prejudicial.
Oh..and Winnipeg WILL be a small market. Not sure how you can argue that. It's a market...and it's smaller than most. Therefore, it's a small market.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 23, 2006 17:14:32 GMT -5
Jeffrey raises a point when it comes to KC and Houston. I think it's clear that they won't put another team in an area where it doesn't work. KC is in the midwest, it could turn out to be a good market. But buyers aren't going to blindly invest money in a team and put them in a location where they can't survive, those days are over now.
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 18:04:34 GMT -5
KC and Houston all have like 6 other pro teams to cheer for which there very much in love with all of them. But I guess all these people are gonna stop going to college Basketball games and football games to see an NHL game. Yeah....... right.
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 18:08:52 GMT -5
Were is the cooperate support going to come from? All the rich Business have already invested there money in those teams which actually matter to there fan base. No one is going to care in KC or Houston if they get an NHL team or not. They aren't losing any sleep over the possible return of the NHL.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 23, 2006 18:20:35 GMT -5
He's letting everyone know were not a small market franchise, which so many of you on here think we will be. What is your definition of a small market? The Jets would be a small market team, perhaps one of the smallest according to most definitions, that also doesn't mean that it won't work here though
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 19:01:15 GMT -5
SMALL MARKET
- other pro/college sports teams - They couldn't care less if they have hockey there or not - Southern united States locations - Not enough cooperate support for an NHL franchise. - Ticket prices as low as 10dollars and thousands of giveaways each game.
LARGE MARKET
- Were the game really matters and were there is a huge fan base willing to pay full price for all tickets with no 2 for 1 giveaways - A city with cooperate support that is willing to invest in a NHL team which Winnipeg never had a problem with in the past - Not competing with other pro teams except for the bombers which isn't a huge deal - An arena with great tax breaks such as the one the MTSC got from our city. The owners will get all revenue generated from concerts and all other entertainment threw out the year yes they still have to pay tax but it isn't a very big issue. - The rise of the Canadian dollar. - Extra venue from the amount of concessions alone will be a huge help because after all 15 000 will be there every single game. - A team that doesn't have to spend 5 million a year to advertise to people who just don't get it, or care for the game of hockey the way other Canadian/ American cities do.(I'm not blasting all American cities just the ones that don't care like Carolina, Anaheim, etc.
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 19:07:44 GMT -5
With the right ownership group and a little vision we can be a very successful hockey franchise. But if you don't believe then why try. If you are not gonna do whatever it takes to be successful and have goals and a vision then you are not gonna be successful its as simply as that.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 23, 2006 19:58:14 GMT -5
With the right ownership group and a little vision we can be a very successful hockey franchise. But if you don't believe then why try. If you are not gonna do whatever it takes to be successful and have goals and a vision then you are not gonna be successful its as simply as that. Exactly, that is what I have said on other threads as well. Strong ownership, that is why Dallas is successful and Florida is not.
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Post by jason on Jan 23, 2006 20:58:57 GMT -5
People buying tickets and going to games.
That is why Dallas is successful and Florida is not.
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Post by jeffrey93 on Jan 23, 2006 21:19:03 GMT -5
LARGE MARKET - Were the game really matters and were there is a huge fan base willing to pay full price for all tickets with no 2 for 1 giveaways Just like people did when the Jets were in town before? You don't know that this is the case. Don't claim it to be fact. How many corporate boxes were purchased at the old arena? Most Canadian markets don't have much competition when it comes to professional sports Most major sports teams own their own facility. So they get a big chunk of the revenue from all events So...does this mean all Canadian cities would be "Large Markets"? Again...who says Winnipeg won't support another team like they did their last? Averaging less than 14,000 ever year? Besides....you could have a concession stand and souvenir shop for every fan....they still only spend the same amount of money. They would have to advertise to keep demand up. With less supply (seats) you need to ensure demand never falters so you can charge more per ticket than other venues. Remember....3,500 of the cheaper seats aren't in the building. So the average ticket WILL be more.
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