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Post by misterman on Sept 30, 2005 9:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by dreamcatcher on Sept 30, 2005 9:31:17 GMT -5
Like I said...lets be patient....I would be interested, however, to know how many of those tickets were actually sold, or given away? How many were $5-$10.00 tickets? Good questions to ask I believe....
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Post by misterman on Sept 30, 2005 9:39:30 GMT -5
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Post by misterman on Sept 30, 2005 9:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by WPGISNHL on Sept 30, 2005 9:54:49 GMT -5
It has already been stated by the NHL that they are expecting opening night (all 15 games) to be sold out. And this will get very good spin.....you can bet on that.
Don't be fooled by opening night!
Check back with Nashville, Carolina, Florida, Atlanta, Phoenix, etc. after 10 home games and we will have a pretty good indication of how things will go this year.
Always keep in mind the NHL has a history of inflating the numbers and includes freebies/giveaways in their "attendance" numbers and this will not change this year.
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Post by senner on Sept 30, 2005 10:05:24 GMT -5
Not only will it not change....I fully expect numbers to be further inflated by teams & the league. The teams know full fact that cities across North America are watching closely, with baited breath!!
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Post by USApegger on Sept 30, 2005 10:25:17 GMT -5
Not only will it not change....I fully expect numbers to be further inflated by teams & the league. The teams know full fact that cities across North America are watching closely, with baited breath!! I disagree about the inflated numbers, remember the owners and players are in somewhat of a partnership right now. It would certainly hurt the players financially if they don't hit the $1.7 billion in total revenues as predicted this year. If I was a player and saw Nashville papering the rink with freebies, I would accept that for a few times, to try to generate interest and have them come back as paying customers. As the season progresses and the players continue to visit or play in these cities with 10,000 or under attendance you would think that they wouldn't be happy about it. Afterall, they also will lose money. So perhaps the players may become our greatest ally after all. They may look at Florida, Atlanta etc and realize these places will not help them achieve the overall revenue of $1.7b this year, there goes their money in the escrow account. I would look for some of the more outspoken players that realize this to open their mouths and say something along the lines of " what the hell are we playing there for, we could generate way better revenues in Winnipeg." What do you guys think?
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Sept 30, 2005 10:26:11 GMT -5
Opening night is never an indication on how well your team will draw over the course of 41 games. Lets check back with Carolina, Atlanta, Anaheim and Nashville 3 months from now when NBA/NCAA basketball is back on and probably 2-3 of those NHL teams are in the bottom half of their division standings.
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Post by senner on Sept 30, 2005 10:32:38 GMT -5
USApegger....great thoughts, but I wonder if the owners will disclose numbers in actual dollars, or will it be all back room?? I know my employer doesn't show me the numbers, whether it's a busy year or not. Players can see small crowds and not understand the dynamics of that owners bussiness. But you bring up a fantastic point!!
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Sept 30, 2005 10:34:19 GMT -5
Not only will it not change....I fully expect numbers to be further inflated by teams & the league. The teams know full fact that cities across North America are watching closely, with baited breath!! I disagree about the inflated numbers, remember the owners and players are in somewhat of a partnership right now. It would certainly hurt the players financially if they don't hit the $1.7 billion in total revenues as predicted this year. If I was a player and saw Nashville papering the rink with freebies, I would accept that for a few times, to try to generate interest and have them come back as paying customers. As the season progresses and the players coninue to visit or play in these cities with 10,000 or under attendance you would think that they wouldn't be happy about it. Afterall, they also will lose money. So perhaps the players may become our greatest ally after all. They may look at Florida, Atlanta etc and realize these places will not help them achieve the overall revenue of $1.7b this year, there goes their money in the escrow account. I would look for some of the more outspoken players that realize this to open their mouths and say something along the lines of " what the hell are we playing there for, we could generate way better revenues in Winnipeg." What do you guys think? Excellent post USApegger! It will be interesting to see if the players start to make the conncetion of....Less people at the game, Less money in my account. The NHLPA could be the driving force for getting the NHL to return to cities (Hartford, Winnipeg and Quebec) where they never had to give away free cars in order to get butts in the seats. }3
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Post by vivianmb on Sept 30, 2005 11:40:30 GMT -5
if the owners do inflate attendance numbers the nhlpa will never accept the final money #'s for the year.if i say i averaged 14000 butts every game ,yet i claim to have lost 20 mill.then either i'm a total moron,or i'm LYING.it would be detrimental for the owners to inflate attendance numbers .everyone involved would suffer.i lke usa pegger's thought about the players demanding full rinks to play in .that could definitely work in our favor.
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Post by jamiebez on Sept 30, 2005 12:35:22 GMT -5
One thing to remember is how many tickets are sold to corporations and never used. Just because seats are empty doesn't mean they didn't make some money on them. I can totally see a medium-sized company buying season tickets and giving them to employees in say, Carolina, only to find that their employees don't care about hockey, and don't go half the time It's a good point about the attendance numbers, though - the players will want to see honest accountability in those numbers. Their salaries depend on it! I just hope this stuff gets leaked to the public so we know who to go after in terms of weak revenue teams.
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Post by WPGISNHL on Sept 30, 2005 13:20:55 GMT -5
Regarding season tickets sales and giveaways.....this is a good point and I think it happens quite often, especially in places such as Florida, Nashville, Carolina, Phoenix....places where Hockey is not passion driven with the fans. It is only the "in-thing" should they be winning or doing something late in the playoffs.
The beauty of it is that eventually those Corps will spend their money elsewhere if they see this happening too frequently. Nashvilles attendance has decreased each year from their first. That is a bad trend for trying to sell season tickets to Corps not too mention selling advertising and such.
When nobody cares the money does not flow quite so freely. Thus you start to see promotions like car giveaways and buy one get one free ticket sales. We are seeing it happen now and in the past in a few different places.
Let's hope that these same teams have horrible starts and are at the bottom of the standings really fast this year! That will get things to the forefront fast once again and you will see mention of this website in the FreePress and Sun quite frequently.
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Post by USApegger on Sept 30, 2005 13:25:17 GMT -5
I agree that mid sized corporations do buy seats mainly in the lower bowl and of course that we be counted in revenue whether somone shows up or not. But when you are looking at an upper bowl that's half, 3/4's empty that should open some of the smarter player's eyes. If corporations are having trouble giving the tickets away, they also may think twice about renewing, also why be a game sponsor when the rink is half empty, it just goes on and on
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Post by HartfordWhalers on Sept 30, 2005 13:39:01 GMT -5
Either way, less butts in the seats, less hamburgers and hotdogs sold for that extra needed revenue.
Alot of you guys pointed out the fact that if the corporations cant get their employees to go then eventually they'll stop buying tickets.
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Post by hawker14 on Oct 23, 2005 10:13:28 GMT -5
nashville is a terrible hockey market. it's amazing that the only good thing that can be said following their terrible attendance figures for their last two home games, are that the preds are drawing better than the abysmal '03-'04 ! LOL
figures from '03-'04 and now:
Home Game 1: Thursday, October 9, 2003 Attendance 16,684 (vs. anaheim) Wednesday, October 5, 2005 Attendance 17,113 (vs. san jose)
Home Game 2: Saturday, October 11, 2003 Attendance 11,934 (vs. dallas) Saturday, October 8, 2005 Attendance 16,279 (vs. anaheim)
Home Game 3: Thursday, October 16, 2003 Attendance 9,586 (vs. st.louis) Thursday, October 20, 2005 Attendance 12,058 (vs. st.louis)
Home Game 4: Saturday, October 18, 2003 Attendance 10,499 (vs. columbus) Saturday, October 22, 2005 Attendance 12,668 (vs. san jose)
this is the support an undefeated team gets ?
MOVE EM TO WINNIPEG !!!
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Post by vivianmb on Oct 23, 2005 11:47:16 GMT -5
hmmm the winnipeg JETADORS
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Post by White-Out on Oct 23, 2005 21:57:06 GMT -5
i got a better one Winnipeg Jetlanders
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Post by AfterBurner Blog (djdomain) on Oct 24, 2005 11:10:03 GMT -5
nashville = winning team
phoenix = wayne gretzky coach
move either of em to winnipeg!
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