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Post by Dave74 on Dec 15, 2004 15:47:21 GMT -5
so wouldn't the Gaylord arena just make more money cutting the losses (preds) and therefore concentrating only on luring big concerts, arean football, etc which make pure profit.
nevertheless, good post "Another Darn Nashvillian", I'm sure you don't want to lose your team like we lost ours. It hurts, especially when it's the #1 sport by a long shot.
Info that's good to know!
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Post by Dave74 on Dec 16, 2004 23:39:00 GMT -5
BUT, an owner wouldn't say "hey! we're moving soon but won't you please still hold on to your tickets so I don't go even more bankrupt"... no he wouldn't.
the threat of the Jets leaving back in the day killed the season ticket holders base. It's suicide.
don't believe everything that someone tells you, especially if it's their neck on the line.
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Post by dreamcatcher on Dec 21, 2004 12:16:07 GMT -5
....still, I maintain that the team that contacted Winnipeg was not Nashville at that time.
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Post by Dave74 on Dec 23, 2004 12:15:05 GMT -5
I thought it was Tampa, but now look what happened
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Post by jets4life on Dec 23, 2004 13:35:02 GMT -5
My money would be on Buffalo, but I'm hoping it was either Anaheim or Florida. I just hope it wasn't Carolina. I can't stand Pete Karmanos!
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Post by ron on Jan 2, 2005 0:31:31 GMT -5
to hockey fan you sit at home and watch the jets while i pay for tickets to watch them live
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Post by hockey fan on Jan 4, 2005 21:53:15 GMT -5
Sorry everyone but i really don't see there being a team relocating to winnipeg. I keep hearing from people who are from Winnipeg and are biased on the subject and are quick to point at all these facts that supposedly sudgest Winnipeg could support a team, however I have never heard anyone who is neutral and educated on basic economics say that they think that there will one day be a team in winnipeg.
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Post by jets4life on Jan 5, 2005 3:30:51 GMT -5
Sorry everyone but i really don't see there being a team relocating to winnipeg. I keep hearing from people who are from Winnipeg and are biased on the subject and are quick to point at all these facts that supposedly sudgest Winnipeg could support a team, however I have never heard anyone who is neutral and educated on basic economics say that they think that there will one day be a team in winnipeg. Instead of raining on our parade, why not back up your claims with facts. better yet, why not provide links that validate your claim. keep in mind that chances are, the NHLPA will blink first, allowing the NHL to implement revenue sharing, and a salary cap under $40 million.
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Post by jamiebez on Jan 5, 2005 12:01:35 GMT -5
Sorry everyone but i really don't see there being a team relocating to winnipeg. I keep hearing from people who are from Winnipeg and are biased on the subject and are quick to point at all these facts that supposedly sudgest Winnipeg could support a team, however I have never heard anyone who is neutral and educated on basic economics say that they think that there will one day be a team in winnipeg. hockeyfan, you may be surprised to learn that a lot of posters on this board are educated in basic economics and are from other cities (although we're assuredly NOT neutral, I'll give you that I for one was also convinced that Winnipeg would never get a team back as recently as three years ago. What tipped the scales for me to become a huge supporter of this campaign are the two things that we have all mentioned over and over: 1) The new arena. If it wasn't built, we would have no hope. 2) The CBA negotiations. If a hard salary cap of $32 M is introduced, then the economics unquestionably make sense. History has shown that teams relocating back to traditional Northern NHL markets (Minneapolis and Colorado) have seen increased attendance and revenue. This is fact. An average ticket price of $60/game and a sold out MTS Centre WILL allow this team to be economically feasible with a $32M cap. This also is fact. However, the number of seats are not as important as the number of a$$es in them. What remains to be seen is if Winnipegers will step up and support this team. The "noise" that this campaign has generated coast-to-coast is proof enough of that for me. Feel free to disagree, but I think the "facts" all point to a return of the NHL to Winnipeg.
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Post by Ducky on Jan 5, 2005 12:13:34 GMT -5
Here here!! ;D
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Post by CanuckForLife on Jan 6, 2005 22:43:34 GMT -5
As much as i'd like to see another NHL team in canada, it just doesn't seem practical. I know all the stuff you've been saying makes sense, however if the the team could get away with tickets priced at $60 dollars a game (as someone mentioned earlyier) they would only make $36 900 000 in ticket sales a year, if they sold out the building every game a year (providing the 15 000 seats i've heard is accurate). Plus they stand to make money from concession. But then they have to pay the salarys of the coaches/training staff/players/ and anyone else involved in the a) team b) building. On top of that they would have to pay for use of the building. So providing there is a hard cap of say $40 million that leaves them with -$4 million dollars for building/staff. Then on top of that they would make money from merchandise and other things and theres no way of saying how good/bad those could be
Sorry but it just doesn't seem practical
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 10, 2005 15:59:16 GMT -5
TV rights are worth millions of dollars if doen properly. CanWest Global could receieve broadcast rights for free in exchange for their investment in the team (ie. buying the rights, but gettign equity in return) and have an NHL TV empre over Western Canada.
MTS TV could create a JETS channel on their new programming (which I believe they are currently experimenting with with the Moose). Or they could offer him games on PPV.
The League also generates virtually nothing in US TV deals - so that is a revenue source which will only grow in the future. They need to make the game more exciting for that to happen.
The NHL broadcasting pacckage should only continue to rise in value in Canada, thus generating higher returns from CBC, TSN and Sportsnet.
Regional TV deals in the US (ex. Rangers) should be shared with the rest of the league. All TV revenue should be shared with the rest of the league.
In addition to meningful revenue sharing and corporate sponsors, not to mention control of the MTS Centre and it's millions of dollars in revenue from non-NHL events, there is more then enough money to support a team here with a salary cap of 40 million dollars.
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Post by wreckage on Jan 10, 2005 16:21:11 GMT -5
Actually the owners are trying to prevent revenue sharing. They seem to think that what they make should be there's individually. I understand why they want it, but they need to give a little too if they want the players to give. But unfortunately they all seem to think that its gotta be their way and thats it. They don't need to bend at all is the mentality that they are bringing to the table.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 10, 2005 18:50:38 GMT -5
The players will crumble and give in to a salary cap, but they will insist on significant revenue sharing so they can look like the heroes.
And really, you need only look at the NFL model to see that a cap AND revenue sharing is the way to go. Everyone points to the TV deal as the thing that makes the NFL tick. But they grew into that over the past few years. And their cap was very small (in the 30 million dollar range) when the players went on strike. I believe the cap is close to 90 million this year because revenue grew to such a large extent.
No reason the NHL cannot experience growth too.
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Post by hawker14 on Jan 11, 2005 5:45:54 GMT -5
As much as i'd like to see another NHL team in canada, it just doesn't seem practical. I know all the stuff you've been saying makes sense, however if the the team could get away with tickets priced at $60 dollars a game (as someone mentioned earlyier) they would only make $36 900 000 in ticket sales a year, if they sold out the building every game a year (providing the 15 000 seats i've heard is accurate). Plus they stand to make money from concession. But then they have to pay the salarys of the coaches/training staff/players/ and anyone else involved in the a) team b) building. On top of that they would have to pay for use of the building. So providing there is a hard cap of say $40 million that leaves them with -$4 million dollars for building/staff. Then on top of that they would make money from merchandise and other things and theres no way of saying how good/bad those could be Sorry but it just doesn't seem practical gate revenues only account for roughly 50% of an NHL franchises total revenues. Ancillary revenues are not usually discussed as NHL teams won't release these figures. But if a team operates it's own arena, a good rule of thumb is take your gate revenues, and double it, to get your total revenues.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jan 11, 2005 19:47:29 GMT -5
And in that case, if a team breaks even on live gate revenue, then they are in great shape to make money. Especially if they have their own regional TV deal.
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Post by Electro on Mar 1, 2005 3:50:31 GMT -5
Right now I'd have to say Florida or Pittsburgh.
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Post by jetblood on Mar 1, 2005 23:51:30 GMT -5
Pred's I can just imagine the boards shaking when Trever Linden gets nailed by the TOO TOO TRAIN.
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Post by fspsnowboy on Mar 3, 2005 5:15:59 GMT -5
GUARANTEED, its not Anaheim.
They were just bought from disney by a wealthy family from Orange County that have no interest in having their team move. They own the team, they own the building, and they don't care if they make any money or not.
I'd like to see the Thrashers move north. Although, poor Atlanta, losing 2 franchises. The Penguins could be built into a real team too.
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Post by change on Mar 3, 2005 22:48:04 GMT -5
I have heard time in and time out from people around the city... who have business ties... that there is currently a deal going down - the Aspers are looking to purchase the Atlanta Thrashers - this is no joke... i have noticed that others have heard this same rumor and have posted this information on this site... however, those posts have been removed from this site in about 24hrs... so I don't expect this post to last long...
I can't verify it, but I have heard it from three different friends who have different business ties in the city... all I know is that there is something going on with Atlanta... how much of this is just talk between the two parties and to what degree it's serious, I don't know, but they are talking...
for the people, of the people...
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