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Post by BlackTh0rne on Nov 10, 2004 23:01:00 GMT -5
I know that when Winnipeg reacquires an NHL franchise it will most likely be through relocation.
HOWEVER, I don't think we should dismiss the fact we could be an expansion team.... whether the NHL expands from 30-32 teams, or several current NHL teams fold and Bettman seeks additional teams (instead of relocating a franchise).
There are many cities out there who would love an NHL team and they may even have potential owners. Now I know you may say "Yeah well there's a lot of cities that would love the NFL but it aint happening"- but there's a difference in this case. There are many cities in the U.S. (and 1 in Canada-Hamilton) that have NHL-ready facilities already built, or in the process of being built, whereas cities without NFL teams don't have NFL-quality stadiums.
If, somehow all 30 franchises survive the lockout, and no teams relocate, Winnipeg will likely be part of the next round of NHL expansion. The only problem I foresee is that enormous "expansion fee". How much is it? $100 million?
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Post by jets4ever on Nov 10, 2004 23:24:16 GMT -5
If, somehow all 30 franchises survive the lockout, and no teams relocate, Winnipeg will likely be part of the next round of NHL expansion. The only problem I foresee is that enormous "expansion fee". How much is it? $100 million? $100 million dollars?? You sound like you want to put three teams in the city. The price of an NHL team isn't what it used to be. First of all, they won't expand. Because nobody outside of Canada wants a team. And, those in Canada that don't have a team can choose from any number that are up for sale in the U.S. right now. And, they can get them a lot cheaper than 100 million dollars.
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Post by Jari on Nov 11, 2004 0:06:06 GMT -5
That is too rich for Winnipeg. Our only hope is relocation.
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Post by Dave74 on Nov 11, 2004 10:09:44 GMT -5
THERE IS MONEY IN THIS CITY. Sure there are no token billionaire oil tycoons or a Bill Gates. There are a lot of smaller buisness men that would have to form an ownership group, but 100 million isn't out of the reach of Winnipeggers! Our city has the most stable economy(for a city) in Canada. So if there is a hit in the Market and one of the members of the group is losing money, the rest of the group can carry the burden.
EXAMPLE If a one horse town like say Hamilton had an NHL team, most likely(chances are)it would have owners involved in the steel industry since it is the major economic stay of that city. If the steel market took a hit, there would be trouble. Job layoffs would kill off some season ticket holders, the owners would be losing money too
BUT it is cheaper to buy a team and relocate them! so that would happen first.
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Post by Ducky on Nov 11, 2004 12:56:00 GMT -5
I think Hamilton is a stretch, its a one industry city and smaller than Wpg, but then I guess you have alot of population nearby that could make it work. But I won't hold my breath
It was stupid of them to build an NHL arena, like copps coliseum before knowing the NHL would expand there.
Wpg could be just as guilty.
I think Québec, Portland or Seattle will get a team and maybe toronto will have another team. And Houston but I hope not.
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Post by 3lackThorne on Nov 11, 2004 18:29:32 GMT -5
Wrong...
Quebec City doesn't have a modern facility with lots of luxury suites (Montreal is right down the highway anyways) . Portland's arena owner doesn't care about NHL hockey (not much demand for it there either). Seattle's arena wasn't designed for NHL hockey (again, not much demand there).
Toronto getting a 2nd team.. I've heard about that but I think it's ridiculous. Where would they play? Wouldn't the Leafs owners be against that?
Besides, T.O. is getting an AHL team next year; the main affiliate of the Maple Leafs. Demand for a 2nd NHL team (if there was any) will subside after that.
HOWEVER.. Houston's brand-new was designed for NHL hockey and Bettman's made comments about them being a "great market" for a potential team in the future.
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Post by vivianmb on Nov 12, 2004 10:40:32 GMT -5
another gem by buttman every time he opens his mouth i cringe.
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Post by jets4ever on Nov 17, 2004 23:54:31 GMT -5
Toronto getting a 2nd team.. I've heard about that but I think it's ridiculous. Where would they play? Wouldn't the Leafs owners be against that? You bet they would. If the Leafs owners won't allow a team into Hamilton, why would they allow another team to play in the same city?
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Post by Yar on Nov 23, 2004 18:24:11 GMT -5
this league needs to lose teams not add teams. gary bettman still doesnt seem to realize that people in the south dont care about hockey. houston built their arena for basketball, not hockey. saying they built it for hockey is like us saying we built the mts center for pro basketball. it just wouldnt work. but gary bettman is dumb enough to believe it would so who knows. they really need to get rid of that moron. lose at the very least 5 teams and move a few more more north(winnipeg....of course)
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Post by jets4ever on Nov 23, 2004 23:46:38 GMT -5
lose at the very least 5 teams and move a few more more north(winnipeg....of course) Of course.
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Post by bigchris on Nov 26, 2004 4:51:10 GMT -5
That's right, there are way too many teams in the NHL as it is. The last expansion should have been in 1992-93 when Ottawa and Tampa got in bringing the NHL to an even and balanced 24 teams. Four neat, even divisions and a playoff format that always guaranteed great regional ratings across the entire NHL.
Relocation is the smartest way to go in our case. Why pay an overinflated price for an expansion team that is going to be automatically horrible for years to come even with a new CBA when you can get a team with an established farm system, possibly quality players and with a little luck a proven team for a fraction of the cost?
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Post by Jetty on Nov 28, 2004 9:40:28 GMT -5
I think Hamilton is a stretch, its a one industry city and smaller than Wpg, but then I guess you have alot of population nearby that could make it work. But I won't hold my breath It was stupid of them to build an NHL arena, like copps coliseum before knowing the NHL would expand there. Wpg could be just as guilty. I think Québec, Portland or Seattle will get a team and maybe toronto will have another team. And Houston but I hope not. QUEBEC- not likely. There is nowhere near the support in Quebec for the Nords that there is for the Jets. They dont't have an arena, and as far as I know, have no movement to bring the NHL back to Quebec SEATTLE- impoossible. They Key Arena was made for basketball, and the owner is dead-set against a NHL team using it. PORTLAND- not too sure. They have an arena, but do they have investors ready to lure a team to Oregon? you should be looking at OKLAHOMA CITY Oklahoma has always supported minor league hockey, has a new arena, and have investors that want a NHL team. They also have the population base. I've also heard Kansas City is interested, but they don't have an arena yet as far as I know. Las Vegas would be in the cards, but I thin it would be unlikely.
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Post by vivianmb on Nov 28, 2004 19:47:15 GMT -5
i hope the gary buttman regime has learned its lesson about southern franchises.they arent good for the sport.in canada the team will be part of its city.in carolina,atlanta etc. the team is a curiosity,if that.the fans dont PLAY the sport,or understand it for the most part.here we LIVE it.let the south have the ahl.
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Post by Herman on Nov 29, 2004 21:27:10 GMT -5
DON'T EXPAND!!!!! The league started going down hill when they started expanding. Talent was diluted and the game suffered.(GPG). You have to go back to the days of 20-24 NHL teams and take out all the teams that are in crappy markets. If this happens the NHL will shine again.
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 1, 2004 11:55:01 GMT -5
DON'T EXPAND!!!!! The league started going down hill when they started expanding. Talent was diluted and the game suffered.(GPG). You have to go back to the days of 20-24 NHL teams and take out all the teams that are in crappy markets. If this happens the NHL will shine again. Well said.
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Post by Depressed Wild Fan on Dec 30, 2004 0:58:10 GMT -5
While I must concur with most of the "Don't Expand" talk on this page, I feel I need to ask for one concession. As a Minnesotan, I am happy that the league expanded back into St. Paul. However, moving a team here, as many people have discussed, may have been a better decision for the league, but I was happy enough just to get a team back in the state. May you Manitobans (an those from Ontario and Saskatchewan) soon feel the same joy.
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Post by Luke on Dec 30, 2004 3:21:37 GMT -5
thanks for your encouragement ;D
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Post by hockeyplease on Jan 28, 2005 17:59:56 GMT -5
i dont realy care as long as we get a team ;D
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