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Post by FrontierSaga on Mar 9, 2005 0:33:48 GMT -5
The NHL network has compromised the 10 best rookie's of the 1990's and to no one's surprise...Teemu Selanne was voted number one due to the following:
1. Shared/Led the league in goals with 76 2. Shattered rookie goal scoring record with 76 3. Shatterred rookie point scoring record with 132 4. Was fifth in the league with points 5. Was the first rookie in NHL history to the first All-star team 6. Took him one year to get recognized as a legit Superstar
There were only 2 rookies in the 1990's with 100 points..the other is Joe Juneau
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Post by TytotheG on Mar 9, 2005 0:36:17 GMT -5
He definatley is the new boss!
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Post by jets4ever on Mar 9, 2005 0:55:04 GMT -5
The only other rookie who even came close was Bure. But, there was nobody better than Ted Flash.
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Post by FrontierSaga on Mar 9, 2005 0:58:28 GMT -5
Bure had 60 points in his rookie season they exploded with back to back 60 goal, 100 point seasons...but Selanne had the upper hand in his first season... PHIL HOUSLEY
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Post by jets4ever on Mar 9, 2005 13:16:35 GMT -5
but Selanne had the upper hand in his first season... PHIL HOUSLEY No doubt about Teemu. As far as Housley is concerned? He was a rookie in the '80's.
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Post by MOC on Mar 9, 2005 15:10:43 GMT -5
No doubt about Teemu. As far as Housley is concerned? He was a rookie in the '80's. Selanne's upper hand was having Housley feed him those perfect passes...
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Post by bigchris on Mar 9, 2005 19:20:24 GMT -5
Phil Housley was a strange one when he first broke in with Buffalo because he was pretty unhearlded when he arrived. (One of the very first American players to make the NHL directly out of high school.) He didn't dominate in his rookie season really and wasn't considered a star calibre player until his 2nd or 3rd year.
THE rookie of the 80's IMO is a tie between Mario Lemieux and Dale Hawerchuck. (Stasny was a 25 year old with 8 years of elite level experience in Europe before he defected to the NHL.) Dale singlehandedly turned the Jets into a contender from the second worst team in NHL history the year before. Now THAT is a superrookie!
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Post by MOC on Mar 9, 2005 20:19:51 GMT -5
"Contender" may be pushing it a little, a .500 record and 10th out of 21 teams isn't exactly going to contend with Edmonton, Montreal or the Islanders of the day.
But, quite a nice turn-around regardless.
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Post by bigchris on Mar 9, 2005 21:24:35 GMT -5
Biggest single season turnaround in NHL history and second in their division. (Even the national publications considered the Blues first round over Winnipeg a significant upset.)
That is a contender. Not the prohibative favorite but a contender.
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Post by MOC on Mar 9, 2005 21:39:29 GMT -5
Not to be nit-picky (well, maybe a bit) the biggest turnaround in NHL history was the 93-94 San Jose Sharks, going from 24 points to 82, a 58 point jump compared to the Jets' 48 point jump.
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Post by FrontierSaga on Mar 10, 2005 1:07:33 GMT -5
Phil Housley was one hell of a hockey player but didn't get the credit he deserves..he's the HIGHEST SCORING AMERICAN in history of the NHL and yet we get Modano's mug face and Roenicks complaining all the time...and Housley is a defensemen!
The highest scoring american in NHL history is a defensemen and no one seems to care....
Him and Selanne are both hall of fame bound..
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 10, 2005 19:24:14 GMT -5
Phil Housley was a strange one when he first broke in with Buffalo because he was pretty unhearlded when he arrived. (One of the very first American players to make the NHL directly out of high school.) He didn't dominate in his rookie season really and wasn't considered a star calibre player until his 2nd or 3rd year. THE rookie of the 80's IMO is a tie between Mario Lemieux and Dale Hawerchuck. (Stasny was a 25 year old with 8 years of elite level experience in Europe before he defected to the NHL.) Dale singlehandedly turned the Jets into a contender from the second worst team in NHL history the year before. Now THAT is a superrookie! I would have to say Lemieux. Mario saved that franchise. Hawerchuk turned the fortunes of the jets around, but he didn't do it single handedly. He had help from Babych, Steen, and Serge Savard.
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Post by FrontierSaga on Mar 10, 2005 21:56:00 GMT -5
When Selanne gets inducted into the Hall of Fame I hope its in Winnipeg Jets colors...both him and Hawerchuk did the city proud.
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Post by bigchris on Mar 11, 2005 0:04:30 GMT -5
I would have to say Lemieux. Mario saved that franchise. Hawerchuk turned the fortunes of the jets around, but he didn't do it single handedly. He had help from Babych, Steen, and Serge Savard. I called it a tie because their impact was felt in different but HUGE ways. Mario did indeed save the Penguins but they didn't have any better or worse success on the ice with him until the 90's. While Dale took the Jets to a much higher level than they were at previously immediately. Thanks for mentioning Serge Savard, talk about a forgotten Jet hero. According to Ferguson's autobiography Serge called him about being an assistant coach or assistant GM right after he retired. Unfortuantely he left a message and by the time Fergie returned the call, (the next morning,) Montreal hired him as their GM. To think we could have had Savard as Ferguson's successor had Serge made that call an hour sooner. Then again Serge is available now and would make a fine GM for the next Jets.
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Post by FrontierSaga on Mar 11, 2005 23:15:26 GMT -5
Here's the thing with Lemiuex and Hawerchuk...
When Dale Hawerchuk entered his rookie season with the Jets they had a 48 point improvement from last year, finished second in the Norris Division, he won the Calder Trophy, the first NHL jet to score 100 points, led the team in scoring, made stars out of Dave Christian, Morris Lukowish, Thomas Steen, Paul Maclean just to name a few...brought instant credibility to the team where they needed it the most so they can say to the rest of the league that they are for real..and made Tom Watt the Jack Adams Trophy...IN THE SAME YEAR!
When Mario Lemiuex came into his rookie season he brought up Pittsburghs attendance, scored 100 points and was named the Calder Trophy winner...but it wasn't until the 1988-1989 season where Mario truly unleashed his full potential with his ungodly 199 point season and led the team to its first playoff appearance in 7 years...but that was after his rookie season..
so in terms of who made an impact in his rookie season i'd give my hat to Hawerchuk...but both him and Mario were in the top 5 in scoring in the NHL of the 1980's
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 12, 2005 12:15:55 GMT -5
Mario did indeed save the Penguins but they didn't have any better or worse success on the ice with him until the 90's. Sorry to correct you, but Mario's presence turned the fortunes of the Penguins around right from day one. They improved every season of the 80's, and even finished in the playoffs by 88-89. he also made mediocre players like Rob Brown, John Cullen, Kevin Stevens, etc. look like Hall of Famers.
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Post by MOC on Mar 12, 2005 18:43:52 GMT -5
John Cullen - 94 and 92 points when playing with Mario. His best not playing with Mario was 77, and after that 55.
Rob Brown - 80 and 115 points playing with Mario. Since then he's basically bounced around the minors, coming up to get 40 points (his next career high) with a Mario-less Pittsburgh team in 1998.
Kevin Stevens could only really play with the Penguins - back-to-back 100 point seasons, then bounced around between Boston, LA, NYR, Philly and again Pittsburgh before (hopefully) hanging them up for good.
Mario and Gretzky were the two guys who could elevate good players to be great, and great players to be hall-of-famers.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 12, 2005 18:59:53 GMT -5
Gretzky made Kurri.
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Post by MOC on Mar 13, 2005 23:41:00 GMT -5
Oh, he did.
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