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Post by Douggy-D on May 16, 2011 14:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by ~Jiffy~ on May 16, 2011 18:14:20 GMT -5
Well my views are comparing 2000s to the 80s, which is quite different, as our prices would have been cheaper back then compared to what it is now. Our tickets were BOUGHT, not sure on theirs. I don`t think they really understand what is going on at all. I would rather have the Yotes for principal, but if Atlanta wants to bash and bash, Ill take em .. lol
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Post by THANK YOU DARREN FORD! + TNSE! on May 16, 2011 18:26:52 GMT -5
This guy's 1st point is wrong: "The Atlanta Thrashers drew more fans than ANY expansion team in NHL history averaging 17,206." This is not true, the 2000-01 Minnesota Wild averaged 18,328. espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2001 Good for 6th in the league at the time. His numbers are correct from their 1999-00 expansion season, only its not even close to the highest ever. Hell, the Columbus Blue Jackets at 17, 457 also in 2000 drew more than Atlanta. espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2001 By that same token, look how far Atlanta fell (11th to 27th) after only one year in the league! Gotta love that lack of a Southern accent. Example #1 why Atlanta is a (crap) hole. Typical of the transient transplanted city. Oh well, none of this will matter in a matter of days and its videos like this why I am glad. Good find. |
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Post by tarks on May 16, 2011 18:48:21 GMT -5
He keeps talking about how large the TV market is in Atlanta. How many games has NBC covered on the Thrashers? I thought I read somewhere, 0. Who cares how big the TV market is if there are no games on NBC.
And, it's easy to fill seats if you are giving away tickets. How many of these tickets were bought and paid for?
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Post by Douggy-D on May 16, 2011 18:49:42 GMT -5
You can't compare the average attendances, first of all, the League Average for attendance was way lower when the Jets were around, second of all, Atlanta gives away thousands of Free and discounted tickets, their attendance is inflated, while the Jets gave the # of people in the building, or at least the # that paid for their tickets.
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Post by jetsnnordiquesfan on May 17, 2011 3:24:12 GMT -5
Also Winnipeg Arena had 3000-ish obstructed view seats, right?
I wonder how many fans Atlanta would draw during (and following) a 12 wins season? The Jets still managed to draw as much as them despite a season with like 8 wins (I think) in 1980-81 and the Nordiques around 15K during a 12 wins season (although Guy Lafleur was a sellout). Both teams pulled this in crappy arenas with plenty of obstructed view seats
Move the Trashers to Winnipeg!
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Post by tim on May 17, 2011 5:35:04 GMT -5
Hey don't bash on people who are trying anything to save there hockey team, if we had todays technology I.E. INTERNET 13 years ago I would of being using it and doing what I could to help save the Jets. This is people venting, don't get pissed of, it's not going to help them.
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Post by Douggy-D on May 17, 2011 16:01:40 GMT -5
Hey don't bash on people who are trying anything to save there hockey team, if we had todays technology I.E. INTERNET 13 years ago I would of being using it and doing what I could to help save the Jets. This is people venting, don't get pissed of, it's not going to help them. I'm not bashing the poor guy, just dispelling his myth that the Jets weren't supported when they were there and that Atlanta supports its team. |
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Post by Douggy-D on May 17, 2011 16:05:20 GMT -5
Also Winnipeg Arena had 3000-ish obstructed view seats, right? I wonder how many fans Atlanta would draw during (and following) a 12 wins season? The Jets still managed to draw as much as them despite a season with like 8 wins (I think) in 1980-81 and the Nordiques around 15K during a 12 wins season (although Guy Lafleur was a sellout). Both teams pulled this in crappy arenas with plenty of obstructed view seats Move the Trashers to Winnipeg! Yeah, I've actually heard that the number of obstructed seats was over 5,000, and from what I've heard the upper deck at Winnipeg Arena had an insanely steep incline, and that the seats were uncomfortable and had basically no leg room. The upper deck at the Colisee also has a very steep incline, and some obstructed seats in the last few rows of the upper level where you couldn't see the scoreboard (I think that was how). But both cities STILL supported their teams even through bad teams and bad arenas. Imagine how much the Thrashers would draw if their arena was like that! |
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Post by smokey on May 17, 2011 17:54:20 GMT -5
Really!?! Wow that was annoying. Can't argue questioning Gary Bettman's commitment to the integrity of the game. Hockey fans have been questioning that since they expanded to these non-hockey markets, which this guy admits Atlanta is. (5:28 mark) If Atlanta has such good attendance, why are they losing hundreds of millions of dollars? Oh that's right, discount tickets. 17k Thrashers fans are probably paying the same as 8k Winnipeg fans when you factor in ticket prices.
Hockey is a business, profit is the main motive, not integrity.
Large TV market means nothing if more people are watching bowling.
Yeah its sucks for the few Thrasher fans, but you still got NBA, NFL, MLB and Nascar so you'll be fine.
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Post by stbvoyageur on May 22, 2011 5:41:44 GMT -5
Really!?! Wow that was annoying. Can't argue questioning Gary Bettman's commitment to the integrity of the game. Hockey fans have been questioning that since they expanded to these non-hockey markets, which this guy admits Atlanta is. (5:28 mark) If Atlanta has such good attendance, why are they losing hundreds of millions of dollars? Oh that's right, discount tickets. 17k Thrashers fans are probably paying the same as 8k Winnipeg fans when you factor in ticket prices. Hockey is a business, profit is the main motive, not integrity. Large TV market means nothing if more people are watching bowling. Yeah its sucks for the few Thrasher fans, but you still got NBA, NFL, MLB and Nascar so you'll be fine. You can see that as of 2 seasons ago, the average ticket price in Atlanta was respectable, even a little higher than norm (perhaps a sign of owners who missed the boat on the value of an NHL ticket in a non-hockey market). Anyways a good comparison of what is to be expected once a ticket drive starts. I would expect that Winnipeg could sustain an average ticket price of around $50 dollars, which would still put it in the bottom 10 teams in terms of revenue generation (I read Edmonton was 18th) but at least stable at the bottom. The other thing to consider is that a lot of teams post attendance numbers exceeding the number of people in the seats, and if people are not at the rink, they are not buying concessions, paying for parking, etc. so the revenue numbers based on attendance are skewed. Thus as it stands 15 500 fans per night at the rink is sufficient, if Winnipeg can get to 16 000 with standing room, the $10 parking, $7 beers, and other concessions should make the team a very modest profit, especially if they can make the playoffs once in a while. |
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Post by selanne405 on May 22, 2011 14:11:04 GMT -5
Ive watched one of the videos from that site before, the guy makes the huge mistake of assuming posted attendance figures are real.
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Post by Douggy-D on May 22, 2011 14:32:06 GMT -5
thrashers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=66890If you scroll down and look closely towards the right, you'll see that a season ticket in the LOWER level is only about $1,400, which is less than $35 per game. If you look on the "How Much" section of this site, the CHEAPEST tickets at MTS Centre are more than that. Also, imagine if the Thrashers still had the 400's sections open and how much those tickets would cost...
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Post by dhildeb1 on May 22, 2011 14:37:20 GMT -5
It's sort of amusing to watch sunbelt hockey fans realize that Bettman is a weasel.
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Post by postmanpat on Jun 3, 2011 19:57:32 GMT -5
Have to say, it's sad to see that the followers of the 'Save the Thrashers' have fewer members then the petition to have the Winnipeg team named the Jets. Hopefully that isn't a sign of resignation on their part and just a lack of organization.
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Post by johnd on Jun 10, 2011 8:01:57 GMT -5
Also Winnipeg Arena had 3000-ish obstructed view seats, right? From my recollection of being at a playoff game and sitting in the upper deck, if you were farther back than the front five rows, you really couldn't see more than about 60% of the ice... and that assumed that the assclowns in front of you weren't standing up (which was always the case...). |
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Post by jetsnnordiquesfan on Jun 10, 2011 16:24:30 GMT -5
Also Winnipeg Arena had 3000-ish obstructed view seats, right? I wonder how many fans Atlanta would draw during (and following) a 12 wins season? The Jets still managed to draw as much as them despite a season with like 8 wins (I think) in 1980-81 and the Nordiques around 15K during a 12 wins season (although Guy Lafleur was a sellout). Both teams pulled this in crappy arenas with plenty of obstructed view seats Move the Trashers to Winnipeg! Yeah, I've actually heard that the number of obstructed seats was over 5,000, and from what I've heard the upper deck at Winnipeg Arena had an insanely steep incline, and that the seats were uncomfortable and had basically no leg room. The upper deck at the Colisee also has a very steep incline, and some obstructed seats in the last few rows of the upper level where you couldn't see the scoreboard (I think that was how). But both cities STILL supported their teams even through bad teams and bad arenas. Imagine how much the Thrashers would draw if their arena was like that! Actually at the Colisée the view from the upper deck is not that bad and on each sides of the player benches it's actually quite good. The problem at the Colisée is under the upper deck behind the benches. THe upper deck pretty much hides the entire scoreboard for the last 6 or 7 rows there. The corporate boxes got the same problem on each side of the ice. Also in the upper part of the lower bowl, leg room is practically non-existent and it's really steep. If you arrive at the game late and everyone is sitting, you can't even get to your seat. It's so bad that I prefer sitting in the upper bowl instead of there and on the last Nordiques season they sold those seats for cheaper than upper bowl seats. |
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Jun 10, 2011 18:08:46 GMT -5
I always wondered how no one died at the old arena. The upperdeck was so ridiculously steep, if someone had stumbled, they would have gone over the side!
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Post by Douggy-D on Jun 10, 2011 18:48:51 GMT -5
I always wondered how no one died at the old arena. The upperdeck was so ridiculously steep, if someone had stumbled, they would have gone over the side! I can actually recall somebody saying on a Calgary fansite who was a former Winnipegger that he stumbled down the stairs in the upper deck and got a concussion or something, I don't remember fully though. |
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Post by roosta604 on Jun 10, 2011 22:54:02 GMT -5
I always wondered how no one died at the old arena. The upperdeck was so ridiculously steep, if someone had stumbled, they would have gone over the side! I was so young going to games back in the day, this is one of my hockey memories  I was Go Jets Go scared walking up those stairs, as I found my seat where I watched half the game on a CRT tv  |
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