rsyl
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Post by rsyl on Mar 28, 2011 14:57:27 GMT -5
I'm just curious if anyone else finds it annoying the system the NHL uses regarding team points.
As you know the system right now is as follows
Regulation Win - 2 Pts OT Win - 2 Pts Shootout Win - 2 Pts OT Loss - 1 Pt Shootout Loss - 1 Pt Regulation Loss - 0 pts
What I would much rather see is the following
Regulation Win 3 Pts Regulation Loss 0 Pts Overtime Win 2 Pts Overtime Loss 1 Pt Shootout Win 2 Pts Shootout Loss 1 Pt.
Every game should have a set number (3 in this case) of points eligible to win. and the league will always finish with a total of 3690 points given throughout the season. (82*30*3/2)
I think this would make the game more exciting instead of teams coasting into overtime because they badly need the point.
Any thoughts?
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Mar 28, 2011 14:59:53 GMT -5
if youre gunna have to use the points system, then do this method.
What i would like is keep the current overtime system, but be like baseball and basketball, base it off of just pure wins and losses
the current system is like, well you didnt loose too poorly, so here's a point
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Post by Steener25 on Mar 28, 2011 15:26:23 GMT -5
I still like 2 pts for a win. 0 pts for a loss and 1 pt each for a tie. 5 mins OT and shoot out only for the Stanley Cup final. Simple. Any complex and I will have to fire up the Vic-20 and my TI-99 to figure it out.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 28, 2011 15:33:13 GMT -5
I still like 2 pts for a win. 0 pts for a loss and 1 pt each for a tie. 5 mins OT and shoot out only for the Stanley Cup final. Simple. Any complex and I will have to fire up the Vic-20 and my TI-99 to figure it out. I know opinions vary, and frankly I can see good and bad aspects of several different points systems... but PLEASE never make a shootout in the playoffs!
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Post by jetsy2010 on Mar 28, 2011 15:41:43 GMT -5
I still like 2 pts for a win. 0 pts for a loss and 1 pt each for a tie. 5 mins OT and shoot out only for the Stanley Cup final. Simple. Any complex and I will have to fire up the Vic-20 and my TI-99 to figure it out. I know opinions vary, and frankly I can see good and bad aspects of several different points systems... but PLEASE never make a shootout in the playoffs! X2
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Post by Steener25 on Mar 28, 2011 15:53:06 GMT -5
Thinking about it, get rid of the shoot out entirely. Last team standing should be the winner. I can't recall a good shoot out but I sure recall some of the more memorable OT games (NYI 4th OT classic in '87 against the Caps) and the 2nd OT Winnipeg win against the Oilers in 1990).
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Post by shanehoopfer on Mar 28, 2011 15:55:55 GMT -5
I'm just curious if anyone else finds it annoying the system the NHL uses regarding team points. As you know the system right now is as follows Regulation Win - 2 Pts OT Win - 2 Pts Shootout Win - 2 Pts OT Loss - 1 Pt Shootout Loss - 1 Pt Regulation Loss - 0 pts What I would much rather see is the following Regulation Win 3 Pts Regulation Loss 0 Pts Overtime Win 2 Pts Overtime Loss 1 Pt Shootout Win 2 Pts Shootout Loss 1 Pt. Every game should have a set number (3 in this case) of points eligible to win. and the league will always finish with a total of 3690 points given throughout the season. (82*30*3/2) I think this would make the game more exciting instead of teams coasting into overtime because they badly need the point. Any thoughts? bingo!
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Post by Trent Steele on Mar 29, 2011 11:06:35 GMT -5
I'm just curious if anyone else finds it annoying the system the NHL uses regarding team points. As you know the system right now is as follows Regulation Win - 2 Pts OT Win - 2 Pts Shootout Win - 2 Pts OT Loss - 1 Pt Shootout Loss - 1 Pt Regulation Loss - 0 pts What I would much rather see is the following Regulation Win 3 Pts Regulation Loss 0 Pts Overtime Win 2 Pts Overtime Loss 1 Pt Shootout Win 2 Pts Shootout Loss 1 Pt. Every game should have a set number (3 in this case) of points eligible to win. and the league will always finish with a total of 3690 points given throughout the season. (82*30*3/2) I think this would make the game more exciting instead of teams coasting into overtime because they badly need the point. Any thoughts? Yes to this!
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Post by kj79 on Mar 30, 2011 15:30:51 GMT -5
I'm just curious if anyone else finds it annoying the system the NHL uses regarding team points. As you know the system right now is as follows Regulation Win - 2 Pts OT Win - 2 Pts Shootout Win - 2 Pts OT Loss - 1 Pt Shootout Loss - 1 Pt Regulation Loss - 0 pts What I would much rather see is the following Regulation Win 3 Pts Regulation Loss 0 Pts Overtime Win 2 Pts Overtime Loss 1 Pt Shootout Win 2 Pts Shootout Loss 1 Pt. Every game should have a set number (3 in this case) of points eligible to win. and the league will always finish with a total of 3690 points given throughout the season. (82*30*3/2) I think this would make the game more exciting instead of teams coasting into overtime because they badly need the point. Any thoughts? I agree with you, I've been saying this for years
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Post by whitecaps on Mar 30, 2011 15:35:51 GMT -5
2 points for a win, one for a tie, that's it! no shootout nonsense. nothing wrong with the old system!!!!!
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Mar 30, 2011 15:41:21 GMT -5
2 points for a win, one for a tie, that's it! no shootout nonsense. nothing wrong with the old system!!!!! no keep the shootout you either win, or you lose. thats it.
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rsyl
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Post by rsyl on Mar 30, 2011 19:37:45 GMT -5
I prefer win or lose.
I could be convinced to ties if it didnt mean a point appearing seemingly out of no-where.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Mar 30, 2011 19:45:50 GMT -5
Regulation win 3 pts OT win 2 pts Shootout win 1 pt
Any kind of loss (OT/SO/Reg.) 0pts
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Post by m0rpheen on Mar 30, 2011 19:48:08 GMT -5
Regulation win 3 pts OT win 2 pts Shootout win 1 pt Any kind of loss (OT/SO/Reg.) 0pts thats seems to complicated to me hate the shootout though... should just end in a tie
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Post by djk on Apr 1, 2011 9:38:15 GMT -5
I prefer the old system. 2 pts for a win, 1 for a tie, 0 for loss regardless of regular or overtime. But keep it at 4 on 4.
However, if the shootout and overtime loss are still worth a point than I agree with the idea of 3 points for winning before overtime. Right now some games are worth 3 points and some worth 2. That just makes no sense. Every game should be worth the same.
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Post by jetstar on Apr 4, 2011 13:52:28 GMT -5
Regulation win 3 pts OT win 2 pts Shootout win 1 pt Any kind of loss (OT/SO/Reg.) 0pts I like this one best. It would make everyone try come overtime, cause they want 2 not a shootouts chance at 1. No one would play for the shootout, cause that free point wont be available.
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Post by Z on Apr 4, 2011 23:41:40 GMT -5
I like the 3 points per game, if the shootout is here to stay. If you make it to OT or shootout, split the points. 2 to the winner.
Otherwise scrap the shootout and go back to the old ways. Win, loss, tie. I don't think every game needs a winner. Especially if the season is so long, it will sort itself out. On an average night, it seems perfectly reasonable that two evenly matched teams can cancel each other out. When both teams are at game 26 of 82, you don't need a winner. You need winners in game 3 of 7.
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Post by trigger204 on Apr 5, 2011 9:15:40 GMT -5
3 points doesn't work for me because it f's up franchise records. Vancouvers record was broken this year for most points in a season, but that would have an * beside it because of the new point system. The year that it would be implemented a lot of teams would set new records. I realize it's changed since they're previous record, but not enough to make a huge difference.
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Post by trigger204 on Apr 5, 2011 9:17:19 GMT -5
And.. I like the shootout. Could maybe have a longer overtime period before? No shootout in the playoffs. No way.
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Post by sushinsky4tsar on Apr 5, 2011 19:50:28 GMT -5
The OP is spot on. It should either be 3-2-1-0 or if that's too complicated for the casual sports fan, just go to a straight W-L. I had a huge rant on this subject over on the HF Wild board:
********* Team X: (41-30-11, 93 points, 8th place) Regulation Record: 30-30 4 -on- 4 OT Record: 1-5 Shootout Record: 10-6
TEAM Y: (43-33-6, 92 points, 9th place) Regulation Record: 37-33 4 -on- 4 OT Record: 2-2 Shootout Record: 4-4
Question: What has Team X done to earn a playoff seed over Team Y?
Answer: They were more "skilled" at pushing games in to OT.
The above hypothetical is why I wish the NHL would overhaul its point system. The rationale of the rule changes was obvious. Everyone hates ties. Overtime was an exercise in futility; teams played to preserve the point. Solution: Let's Make it so there's nothing to lose in going for the win. If you lose in OT, you get to keep your point. And if OT doesn't settle it, then on to the shootout.
The icing on the cake of the above hypothetical is that Team X has a combined regulation/4-on-4 record of 31-35. Whereas, Team Y loses out with a record of 39-35! But let's look past this and simply view both teams as .500 in the OT/SO. I think that all but the most staunch traditionalists would agree that a wide open OT/ shootout has been great for the game. I have no problem with deciding regular season contests this way.
However, I think the "guaranteed point" has turned the last 10 minutes of the 3rd period in to a snooze fest. Teams just take turns dumping the puck in to the zone until presto... they've reached that magical, happy land of OT/SO, where a loss isn't really a loss (rather a tie), but a win counts just the same as a win in regulation.
The gravy on top of all of this is that the NHL wants fast-paced, high-scoring hockey. However, this point system which allocates an extra point to the game simply for the ability of the two teams to not decide the contest in regulation, generally favors low scoring teams spread over a large sample period.
If you really wanted to see great 3rd period action with end-to-end rushes, go back to the old system:
*one 5 minute overtime *NO SHOOTOUT (I know... I know)
Except now, a win is worth 3 points, and if the teams are unable to decide the contest by scoring a goal? They still get 1 point for the tie. I assure you, there would be very few teams playing to preserve the tie.
Okay, now I know what you might be saying. The shootout is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and I don't care if the 3 points greatly reduces the number of ties that ran rampant in the old NHL. I don't want any ties. And also, what happened to making every game worth the same number of points?
Fair enough. 3 points for a regulation win. 2 points for an OT/SO win. 1 point for an OT/SO loss. With this allocation, you at least kill the incentive for teams to force games in to OT.
Some traditionalists say that going to 3 points messes with the historical spectrum of the team points standings. But come on, we already made that jump when we started dishing out the pity point. A 90-point season isn't the accomplishment it used to be. In fact, it's sure to put you on the outside of the playoffs in the West. If you go to 3-2-1-0, where every single game has 3 points attached to it, you can at least multiply by (2/3) for an accurate, non-inflated comparison.
This has to be fixed imo. It would be no different than the NFL making a rule that the losing team of regulation OT game shall be awarded a tie, rather than a loss. They would be savaged mercilessly for implementing something that stupid.
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