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Post by gee on Apr 30, 2010 11:07:09 GMT -5
The only way that they do floor seating is unless they sink or the floor as they did with the Ricoh Centre in Toronto, when they renovated and expanding the arena when the Toronto Roadrunners now Toronto Marlies came in to the AHL. how would that work to increase seating? dropping the ice lower into the ground and ...? something like this? the first is adding suites - the second is seats.
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Post by Steener25 on Apr 30, 2010 11:51:44 GMT -5
The only way that they do floor seating is unless they sink or the floor as they did with the Ricoh Centre in Toronto, when they renovated and expanding the arena when the Toronto Roadrunners now Toronto Marlies came in to the AHL. how would that work to increase seating? dropping the ice lower into the ground and ...? something like this? the first is adding suites - the second is seats. Hopefully this addition will not be as steep as the old Winnipeg Arena upper deck. I saw my life flash before my eyes many times walking down the steps of death. How I never took a header all those years is a miracle.
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Post by pegger5 on Apr 30, 2010 14:51:41 GMT -5
I think they would move and expand the press box to make way for a ring of boxes...This would make sense.
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Post by gee on Apr 30, 2010 15:08:32 GMT -5
I think they would move and expand the press box to make way for a ring of boxes...This would make sense. like so
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Post by jrock71 on Apr 30, 2010 15:38:34 GMT -5
Come to think of it! Here in Edmonton! Rexall Place press boxes have a ring of press boxes right near the raffters
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Post by gee on Apr 30, 2010 16:16:29 GMT -5
YES SIR how about the view from these suites
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Post by jhendrix70 on Apr 30, 2010 23:21:54 GMT -5
I think they would move and expand the press box to make way for a ring of boxes...This would make sense. Press Box is built into and around the joists in the Roof. If the roof was raised; the press box would go with it making room for a whole row of sky suites below HOWEVER: You have to take into the sheer amout of money involved in such a project. Millions and millions of dollars to add seats that may never return the investment.....
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Post by pegger5 on May 1, 2010 13:48:15 GMT -5
Could they do a ring of press box type private boxes (same level at press box) ?? without raising roof ?
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Post by 22Neufeld28 on May 1, 2010 16:27:14 GMT -5
Well they would never consider lowering the ice.Sighlines would be worse then the Old Barn in the upper deck.If you look at the diagram above,the entire 2nd and 3rd levels would be obstructed views.
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Post by gee on May 1, 2010 19:14:24 GMT -5
yeah but i only altered the original in MS Paint to see if that is the type of idea he was talking about. i would imagine if that is what they were doing then the designs would take that into consideration.
its actually not a bad idea in one sense - spending money to increase seating but not wasting it on the cheap seats.
the current 200 level could become club seats like the Bell Centre in Montreal - creating more premium seating.
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Post by 22Neufeld28 on May 2, 2010 4:42:55 GMT -5
I actually like the diagram that u altered gee,it would be a unique arena.
But I think they would be wasting money on every seat if they did something like this.the place would have to be gutted.Every preformed concrete slab would have to be moved or thrown out I think.the upper bowl would need a 45 angle,some of the most expensive seats may not have a view of the scoreboard.
Likely cheaper to build a new one from scratch to do it properly.
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Post by WHA on May 2, 2010 6:58:08 GMT -5
What ever happened to our NHL ready MTSC? How come it is no longer NHL ready?
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Post by LT on May 2, 2010 12:00:46 GMT -5
I think most agree that the MTSC is almost NHL ready with a few modifications. I am kind of blown away by the fact that they didn't build the arena a little better. The press box should have been done properly in the first place and the washrooms are a joke on the upper level anyway. I have only been in the MTSC a few times, 2 games and 1 concert but I was in the upper level both times.
I don't want to complain because it's much better than we had, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if they had always planned on going after the NHL. You would think that they would have researched everything? I know you can debate the seating til the cows come home but there are other things like the pressbox, washrooms and suite expansion that they should have had planned better.
If I was building it, I would have the architect plan for these things. IMHO
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Post by WPGISNHL on May 2, 2010 13:08:17 GMT -5
I think most agree that the MTSC is almost NHL ready with a few modifications. I am kind of blown away by the fact that they didn't build the arena a little better. The press box should have been done properly in the first place and the washrooms are a joke on the upper level anyway. I have only been in the MTSC a few times, 2 games and 1 concert but I was in the upper level both times. I don't want to complain because it's much better than we had, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if they had always planned on going after the NHL. You would think that they would have researched everything? I know you can debate the seating til the cows come home but there are other things like the pressbox, washrooms and suite expansion that they should have had planned better. If I was building it, I would have the architect plan for these things. IMHO ... if you were building it we would still have the Wpg Arena. If anyone thinks that certain future retros were not thought about...they are delusional. The rumour(s) part of this thread (ie: heard from a friend/neighbor etc...) is interesting....and I continue to say keep posting. The speculation on how renovations "may" be done is a complete joke...not to mention it has its own thread dating back years now. As someone pointed out earlier...sinking the floor would change all viewing angles and the majority of the inside if not all would need to be gutted.
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Post by gee on May 2, 2010 15:21:14 GMT -5
but no one is saying that is feasible, the question was - is sinking the floor in that type of manner what the previous poster was referring to when he spoke of "floor seating"
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Post by frankcostanza on May 2, 2010 15:34:57 GMT -5
I really don't think any renos will be to add seats. Craeting demand my friends. How about thos Habs? Going home with the series knotted at one. Vivre Montreal
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Post by shtinky on May 2, 2010 16:18:43 GMT -5
You have to take into the sheer amout of money involved in such a project. Millions and millions of dollars to add seats that may never return the investment..... Yeah. It seems unlikely to me that there would be a large-scale expansion in the works for the MTS Centre. Something major like adding an entirely new level of seating would cost in the tens of millions of dollars while only generating a couple of million in revenue each year. That's an awful lot of capital to tie up for not much in the way of annual return. (Unless the government agrees to pay for or subsidize the expansion as their "contribution" to the project, which changes everything.) I also know that trueviking at skyscraperpage has long maintained that the MTS Centre was not designed with expansion in mind, and he worked on the project himself at an architecture firm. However, I remember that Tim Campbell in the Free Press went out of his way to say that the surest sign that the NHL will be returning is when construction permits are taken out. That was a very specific thing to say, and it gave the impression that he knew more but couldn't spill the beans.
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Post by shtinky on May 2, 2010 16:26:29 GMT -5
but no one is saying that is feasible, the question was - is sinking the floor in that type of manner what the previous poster was referring to when he spoke of "floor seating" Doubtful. If you sink the floor then you won't have an 85 foot wide ice surface. Think about it - if you build a new lower floor and you add two rows, it will require you to move the boards in. Dollars to donuts what they're talking about is filling in some of the gaps in the seats in the lower level. There is no way they need all of those openings, and those seats would sell for top dollar (unlike extra seats way up in the rafters). It wouldn't cost that much to install them, either. Easy peasy. Attachments:
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Post by LT on May 2, 2010 17:30:23 GMT -5
I think most agree that the MTSC is almost NHL ready with a few modifications. I am kind of blown away by the fact that they didn't build the arena a little better. The press box should have been done properly in the first place and the washrooms are a joke on the upper level anyway. I have only been in the MTSC a few times, 2 games and 1 concert but I was in the upper level both times. I don't want to complain because it's much better than we had, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if they had always planned on going after the NHL. You would think that they would have researched everything? I know you can debate the seating til the cows come home but there are other things like the pressbox, washrooms and suite expansion that they should have had planned better. If I was building it, I would have the architect plan for these things. IMHO ... if you were building it we would still have the Wpg Arena. If anyone thinks that certain future retros were not thought about...they are delusional. The rumour(s) part of this thread (ie: heard from a friend/neighbor etc...) is interesting....and I continue to say keep posting. The speculation on how renovations "may" be done is a complete joke...not to mention it has its own thread dating back years now. As someone pointed out earlier...sinking the floor would change all viewing angles and the majority of the inside if not all would need to be gutted. Lol you are right about one thing, I don't have the cash to build sqwat so we would be in the old arena. My point was that I find it hard to believe that they never made plans to expand the arena. If they built the MTSC thinking it was NHL ready...wow then they are not as smart as I thought. My gutt says these guys have looked into everything already and know exactly what will and needs to be done. I'm not an engineer but thinking about it logically going down doesn't make sense, going out may make sense in the way of making it more user friendly with more washrooms and possibly lounges. Going up would be a way of adding suites and possible a hand full of seats. How they go up, lol who knows maybe that's just dreaming.
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Post by JETStender on May 2, 2010 19:53:32 GMT -5
I think most agree that the MTSC is almost NHL ready with a few modifications. I am kind of blown away by the fact that they didn't build the arena a little better. The press box should have been done properly in the first place and the washrooms are a joke on the upper level anyway. I have only been in the MTSC a few times, 2 games and 1 concert but I was in the upper level both times. I don't want to complain because it's much better than we had, but it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense if they had always planned on going after the NHL. You would think that they would have researched everything? I know you can debate the seating til the cows come home but there are other things like the pressbox, washrooms and suite expansion that they should have had planned better. If I was building it, I would have the architect plan for these things. IMHO Again...the biggest problem about the arena is the footprint. The arena is big enough TO WATCH HOCKEY for this market. The amenities suck but oh well. Thats what you get for trying to squeeze an arena on one city block. Without expanding the footprint, there is only a few minor changes that need to be made. The pressbox baffles me and was an obvious after thought.
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