snarks
Rookie Member
Posts: 12
|
Post by snarks on Jun 5, 2009 19:13:52 GMT -5
Should professional hockey continue to be played in the desert? According to the NHLPA, not anymore.
In an interview with the Hamilton Spectator on Thursday, NHLPA executive-director Paul Kelly discussed what he felt should happen in the debate surrounding the future of the Phoenix Coyotes.
"From a players' perspective, it's time to pull the plug," Kelly told The Spectator.
While Kelly has stated that he does not necessarily completely support a team in Hamilton, he had no problem Thursday in voicing his belief that NHL owners should question whether the Coyotes should remain in Phoenix.
In an interview earlier in the day with Toronto radio station the FAN 590, Kelly posed the question: "How much money must (a franchise) lose before someone says, โperhaps they ought not to be there?'"
Kelly, however, was extremely clear that his feelings about hockey in the desert did not mean that he was backing Research in Motion CEO Jim Balsillie's bid to purchase the Coyotes and move the team to Hamilton.
"We don't formally endorse or support the current effort to move the team to Hamilton, Ontario," Kelly told the FAN. "That's not to say we're against it either, but we are neutral."
On a day when another group of investors, the Toronto Legacy Group led by founder Andrew Lopez revealed their plans to bring a second team to Toronto via expansion for the 2012-13 season, Kelly stressed the importance of the NHLPA to be asked for input in terms of the location of franchises. Kelly pointed out that it was important that teams be located in the most profitable areas as it affects the salaries of the players.
"If you've got a franchise which is making $25 million of their own revenue a year, before league-wide revenues, that impacts all players because we get a certain percentage of revenues for salary,โ Kelly told the FAN. "If that team was pulled out and substituted by a team which makes $100 (million) to $125 million a year, salaries are going up."
Having a second team in the Golden Horseshoe is a no-brainer to Kelly, who said that he had no doubt the franchise would be highly profitable and sustainable over a long period. However, he was also clear that Hamilton might not be the best location due to its geographic proximity to Buffalo.
"There is some concern (about Buffalo)," Kelly admitted to the FAN. "We want all our franchises to be healthy."
|
|
|
Post by the_jaf on Jun 5, 2009 19:17:45 GMT -5
Yup, Winnipeg looks #1 alright.
|
|
|
Post by razorsedge on Jun 5, 2009 20:55:06 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by selanne405 on Jun 5, 2009 21:28:08 GMT -5
^Exactly why new member posts should be regulated!
|
|
|
Post by jimsabo21 on Jun 5, 2009 22:55:28 GMT -5
^Exactly why new member posts should be regulated! Well, I only browse this forum, so I would have missed it had he not posted it ... so, thank you to snarks
|
|
|
Post by DKehler on Jun 5, 2009 22:59:27 GMT -5
^Exactly why new member posts should be regulated! Well, I only browse this forum, so I would have missed it had he not posted it ... so, thank you to snarks I think there are lots of people in that boat. I think people get WAY too worked up about borderline topics in the sense of which sub forum they should be on. This is the forum that I would guess most people are interested in and may not even go into the other ones. Lighten up, guys.
|
|
snarks
Rookie Member
Posts: 12
|
Post by snarks on Jun 6, 2009 0:41:39 GMT -5
i'm sorry razor. i just thought that the head of the nhlpa saying publicly that it's time to get out of a crappy market, instead of just paying his usual lip service "the p.a. has no official position" might be important to a return of the jets board. obviously, paul kelly's comments are not as important to this board as the salmon kings renewing their affiliation with the moose, or that the moose are in the calder cup finals, or that tie domi was in the penguins owners box. from now on i'll try to narrow my posts down to something actually worthy of reading. again my sincere, sincere apologies.
|
|
|
Post by Jordy Ramone on Jun 6, 2009 2:38:52 GMT -5
who cares this is the only area i check
|
|
|
Post by DEATHBYPOPCORN1990 on Jun 6, 2009 4:04:02 GMT -5
I am waiting to give this team their last rights..........
|
|
|
Post by razorsedge on Jun 6, 2009 8:33:15 GMT -5
i'm sorry razor. i just thought that the head of the nhlpa saying publicly that it's time to get out of a crappy market, instead of just paying his usual lip service "the p.a. has no official position" might be important to a return of the jets board. obviously, paul kelly's comments are not as important to this board as the salmon kings renewing their affiliation with the moose, or that the moose are in the calder cup finals, or that tie domi was in the penguins owners box. from now on i'll try to narrow my posts down to something actually worthy of reading. again my sincere, sincere apologies. Your making me cry with guilt, . Your right though, your not the only one posting articles and threads in the wrong board. I read everything post, every thread, in every section. So I get annoyed with stuff this. Anyways, I think Paul Kelly has stated in the past that, if there is a better market that the Coyotes could be in, the NHLPA would support the move.
|
|
|
Post by dannymcmanny on Jun 6, 2009 9:37:06 GMT -5
Thanks to Razor and Selanne for flaming new members and where they post. Valuable contributions, I know we are trying to limit the involvement of new people on the site, so we can just listen to the same 5 people. Thanks for contributing Snarks.
|
|
|
Post by razorsedge on Jun 6, 2009 9:56:12 GMT -5
Are you trying to start a new generation vs. old generation?
Anyways back to the topic of NHLPA's Paul Kelly's thoughts on the Pheonix Coyotes relocation without a single mention of the Return of the Jets anywhere in this article, I wonder how much Gary Bettman and the BOG take into consideration NHLPA's thoughts on the subject of relocation and expansion.
I've heard once before the NHLPA talking about how expansion consideration should be discussed with them since they're not currently entitled to any of the expansion money.
|
|
|
Post by Y2Jets on Jun 6, 2009 11:52:06 GMT -5
Yea I only follow this thread too.. and im OLD poster since DAY 1. I only follow here.. so post any articles in this section, or most people wont care to look at other topics.
Whats with people bashing others cause where they post? who gives 2 you know whats. Freakin internet people!!!
|
|
|
Post by Z on Jun 6, 2009 13:01:02 GMT -5
Not to perpetuate the old vs new thing further, but the Teams in Trouble and Return of the Jets sub-boards are generally so closely related, that two of them are unnecessary. And then you get double posts. I don't think anyone saw the Bob McCown quote in the Lightning board, I thought for sure that would cause a buzz.
I realize it's annoying to see the same thing posted more than once, but its even more annoying to see regulars with 2000+ posts jump on noobs for something so innocent.
|
|
|
Post by White-Out on Jun 6, 2009 16:56:29 GMT -5
Sorry to burst the bubble for those who think we should post where ever but, this is a terrible idea and the reason why their are sub categories for discussion is to spread the topics in different areas and not clog one board with topics taht could list 5-6 pages of scrolling daily. People as far as I'm concerned are less likely to keep scrolling to other pages to catch up on things.
And on top of that, its the board rules to post the topics in the right section. And this should be in the NHL talk part of this forum. "It's a matter of following forum rules and policies" ...
|
|
|
Post by razorsedge on Jun 6, 2009 17:08:12 GMT -5
Out of 20 threads in the ROTJ section, only 3 are directly related to Winnipeg. I see Snark started another unrelated thread. I guess it's a good idea that the Florida Panthers sale is in the Return of the Jets section. This forum, especially this section has become a joke. Nice to see all the support being shown to someone with 4 posts (3 being threads).
|
|
|
Post by DKehler on Jun 6, 2009 17:09:33 GMT -5
Sorry to burst the bubble for those who think we should post where ever but, this is a terrible idea and the reason why their are sub categories for discussion is to spread the topics in different areas and not clog one board with topics taht could list 5-6 pages of scrolling daily. People as far as I'm concerned are less likely to keep scrolling to other pages to catch up on things. And on top of that, its the board rules to post the topics in the right section. And this should be in the NHL talk part of this forum. "It's a matter of following forum rules and policies" ... Oh, please. On a good day, this section gets less than 10 active threads. I'm not saying anything goes. I'm saying that many, like myself, only regularly view this section, so anything that potentially impacts the ROTJ, as Paul Kelly's comments most certainly do, should be fair game here.
|
|
|
Post by jhendrix70 on Jun 6, 2009 17:15:31 GMT -5
Considering valuable information such as the "Bettman Says Winnipeg First" thread was already on PAGE 5 , I believe it's important anything relating to: Phoenix, Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa, etc....Go into their proper sub-headings to avoid the "best of the best" from being thrown to the back of information not directly related to the return of the NHL to Winnipeg. I also do not feel that "newbies" should be harassed from not understanding the rules of the website. Hell, when I first started posting here, I had no idea where I should post either but, we can all step up and let new posters know for the next time instead of automatically getting on them for making a mistake. Asking a mod to "clean" threads up isn't exactly an easy task & at this point really shouldn't be expected. ( As there is only 1 currently & VIV is doing a fantastic job!! ) We should be encouraging as many NEW posters here as possible as the whole purpose of the site is to inform Winnipeggers & others of our current stance on the NHL returning to Winnipeg. Anything you can do as a member on this site to help steer a "newbie" in the right direction should be positivly recieved by others & the "newbie" themselves.Just Sayin'
|
|
|
Post by DKehler on Jun 6, 2009 17:21:08 GMT -5
Considering valuable information such as the "Bettman Says Winnipeg First" thread was already on PAGE 5 , I believe it's important anything relating to: Phoenix, Atlanta, Carolina, Tampa, etc....Go into their proper sub-headings to avoid the "best of the best" from being thrown to the back of information not directly related to the return of the NHL to Winnipeg. I also do not feel that "newbies" should be harassed from not understanding the rules of the website. Hell, when I first started posting here, I had no idea where I should post either but, we can all step up and let new posters know for the next time instead of automatically getting on them for making a mistake. Asking a mod to "clean" threads up isn't exactly an easy task & at this point really shouldn't be expected. ( As there is only 1 currently & VIV is doing a fantastic job!! ) We should be encouraging as many NEW posters here as possible as the whole purpose of the site is to inform Winnipeggers & others of our current stance on the NHL returning to Winnipeg. Anything you can do as a member on this site to help steer a "newbie" in the right direction should be positivly recieved by others & the "newbie" themselves.Just Sayin' As you suggested, that's what sticky threads are for. Sales and potential sales of NHL teams directly impacts the return of the NHL to Winnipeg and is therefore completely relevant to this section. There are already too many subsections in my opinion. They are broken down by team, for goodness sake. What next? Will we have a section for each newspaper, one for Bettman and one for Paul Kelly? Let's take a step back and stop sniping at people for trivial things. This was not a jetsengine situation of someone spamming the board with false information.
|
|
|
Post by wagner3 on Jun 6, 2009 17:29:50 GMT -5
i have to kind of agree with DKehler -- let's error on the side of less moderation/rules rather than being too strict...however, this section should at least only be for topics relevant to the return of the jets...not whether the moose will win tonight's game or other obviously off topic discussions...just my opinion and i understand others will disagree which is fine...this is a unique forum in many ways that doesn't yet have a ton of traffic...
|
|