nosl
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Post by nosl on Jun 10, 2008 9:19:47 GMT -5
A way to generate funds for a team would be to create a trust fund and sell shares into a team. There are many organizations across Canada (most noticeably the Saskatchewan Roughriders Football Club) that allow people to purchase shares into an organization (with certain limitations, etc).
Even if you raised only half or a quarter of the funds necessary to purchase a team, it would not only show Winnipeg's interest in a franchise, it would show any prospective owner that you have taken a risk yourselves by putting up (as a collective) money towards this venture. And a prospective owner may be inclined to chip in the remaining cash to purchase & operate the club.
Having even a public minority say in the ownership "ensures" that the team will remain in Winnipeg long term.
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Post by vivianmb on Jun 10, 2008 14:22:16 GMT -5
i like that idea...very much.
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Post by felix on Jun 10, 2008 16:10:04 GMT -5
It's a very good idea and the Packers also does it.
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Post by Hobble on Jun 10, 2008 17:49:58 GMT -5
If we buy a share, do we get season tickets?!?
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nosl
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Post by nosl on Jun 11, 2008 10:15:42 GMT -5
Someone will have to spearhead this venture. I know there are a number Junior Hockey Franchises (such as Peterborough, Kitchener & Lethbridge) who operate in this fashion. Green Bay & Saskatchewan are probably ideal candidates to contact as they are at the professional level (the same level Winnipeg is after).
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Post by White-Out on Jun 11, 2008 22:03:42 GMT -5
Problem is I remember reading on this forum sometime a while ago that the NHL doesn't allow a public ownership aka the Packers, bombers, riders ... etc. Only business men with money...
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Post by maveryck on Jun 12, 2008 12:47:28 GMT -5
Hmm, you read it on the forum, but that doesn't mean it is fact. I don't know if it is or isn't, so I'm not contradicting you, just adding a dash of reality to what may be a grain of salt. When tens of thousands of people showed up at the forks to stop the Jets from leaving in the first place, where was the money going to go? To buy the team? To pay for an arena?
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Post by domi20 on May 1, 2009 19:07:08 GMT -5
Ok shares are a good idea. Run with it though. There should be a way for every joe in winnipeg who loves the jets but cannot afford to shell out thousands on season tickets but do make it to a handfull of games, to donate airmiles, petro point, etc to the team. individually may not be much but collectively could make a difference. airmiles can make special cards in support of the jets which would mean not only winnipeg citizens would be inclined to do so, you just go to airmiles and apply for that card. i know many people who never use the points and would love to contribute to getting a team here. small way to add up some coin.
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Post by domi20 on May 1, 2009 19:12:24 GMT -5
Sorry should have had this in the other posting...Why has the grassroots campaign not been resurrected yet? Seems to me it worked in '95 so why not now. Go door to door and ask people to donate what they can. If it fails it gets donated to charity like the surplus did after '96. An owner would love to get a cheaper deal on a team and if we can get this fund high enough in a huge hockey market what rich guy wouldn't pounce on it. It could help edge some Winnipeg big cats to collectively put down some real money and create a board similar to Edmonton's.
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Post by selanne405 on May 3, 2009 11:02:44 GMT -5
This has been suggested several times on this board actually. The big question is realisticly how much would be people put up for a share and how many would put it up? Another issue is obviously people putting that money up are likely fans of the team and giving them seats in exchange for the share essentially defeats the whole purpose so you would have to ask people to give up a substantial amount of money to the team then pay for tickets with the economy the way it is that might not be the most realistic idea
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Post by selanne405 on May 3, 2009 22:52:17 GMT -5
Number crunch Anyone whose been on this board long enough will remember this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRI7CvuzNYc1:50, according to the asper student the upfront startup cost for a team is 210 million, this might not be a 100% concrete figure but this estimate does seem realistic and is for the most part supported by global. If you wanna look at having shares pay 1/4 that adds up to 52.5 million dollars. Is it realistic to get 52.5 mill from people just to get a team and then get them to pay for tickets especially with this economy? The whole charity thing kind of makes me a little sick. The save the jets campaign was nice and I dont have much of a problem with it because it was a different scenario but the idea of donating money for a professional sports team when there are millions and millions of starving children all over the world kind of trumps that. Obviously you as a person are entitled to donate your hard earned money to whatever you want but if you consider giving money to get a sports team (which is essentially pointless) charity then you need to wake up and take a look at the world.
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Post by domi20 on May 4, 2009 7:28:10 GMT -5
selanne 405...youre on the jetsowner website. this site includes people who love the jets and ultimately want hockey back here. these are suggestions that could lead to a team here. for the charity part, yeah that sucks that there is poverty, sickness, war etc. and if you want to tackle those issues so much spend your time on their websites and fight the good fight. until then the dreamers out there should be able to brainstorm ideas to attract a team to winnipeg instead of a much larger market like sad but true hamilton. but if it makes you feel any better if i get to $210 million i will buy the team and wouldnt need the collective communal support from winnipeg...800 thousand people in the surrounding area...$262.50 is how much it would take from each person to buy a team w/o owner support. $131.25 if we only worry about 50% (and so on). is that really a lot of money individually to spare?
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Post by selanne405 on May 4, 2009 13:15:29 GMT -5
Go knock on doors and ask people to donate money to get an NHL team, good luck and dont stand to close to the doors because I dont want your nose to break when people slam it on you. The idea of using charity to bring a team here is not a viable idea to get a team period. Oh and I do spend alot of times on the sites you described and I volunteer and donate to them wanna know why? Because the places I'm donating to ACTUALLY need the money. Is anyone going to die because we dont have an NHL team? Winnipeg is a hockey loving town but that doesnt mean every single citizen will even consider donating money or for that matter donating anywhere near the amount you described. I know tons of people who dislike hockey, and I know more who like it but woldnt donate money for something like this. $262.50 is how much it would take from each person to buy a team w/o owner support. $131.25 if we only worry about 50% (and so on). is that really a lot of money individually to spare? For someone like myself struggling to pay for university it is, for a single mother struggling to put food on the table it is, for a man living in a dumpster panhandeling for change it is, and for a kid whose family cant afford to even let him play hockey it is. Imagine a man has $262.50 to donate to a charity, do you think he would rather donate it to the POSSIBILITY (and slim one at that) of bringing an NHL team or perhaps to one of the 18,000 children in Winnipeg whom rely on Winnipeg harvest to avoid starving to death. My bet is a hockey fan will think about it for a second and decide on harvest, a non hockey fan wont think twice and donate to harvest.
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Post by domi20 on May 4, 2009 13:39:27 GMT -5
shame on you buddy. i'll be blunt. i do not support charity that helps the homeless or sick. i don't believe in it simply on principal. i hate ei and the welfare system. i am a capitalist and also a university student. i have had 3 jobs at one time working 16-18 hr days and still had enough time to make the dean's list. if you can't work one full time job with university you're not trying hard enough. people that don't believe they can do something are why there are people out there who get nothing accomplished and helped lose the Jets in the first place. I don't care about helping people who are "in need", i care about bringing hockey back here to Winnipeg. 262.50 is not a lot of money to anyone. Even if you work part-time one week of the year you'd be able to make that (and also help the economy just by working). People like you are not trying hard enough. Those that can't afford should work harder, and honestly who cares about them anyway. If they can't afford pitching into the Jets fund then they can't afford to go to a game and ultimately will not help the cause. Enough die-hard fans work at this over time then they can make enough money to help a team land here. If you do love charity so much you'd see how much the Blue Bombers and like teams support and help raise funds for charities (why wouldn't a hockey team do that too?). If I'm wrong and it fails the collected sum would be distributed throughout local charities anyway like the surplus did in '97. If you're not willing to work for it and make a small sacrifice for it, you don't deserve the NHL in Winnipeg. Besides this cause would not be limited to door-to-door work, golf tournaments could be hosted at $1000.00 a head where businesses donate prizes...the big shots enter in and their proceeds get collected to the fund. If you don't believe it would work go to Glendale golf course this summer and ask them how much people pay for the tournaments they host. There could also be community based socials/fundraisers where peopel get together and pay to enter silent auctions...the Hydro Building hosted one recently that was $100 a head and the silent auction made thousands toward a local charity. The Jets are a positive thing to work togehter to accomplish that would help our city as a whole grow together. It would promote out city and bring more people here which would charge our economy further which would mean our government would have a larger budget, and if you do vote you can vote for a politician who would determine which local charity should get funding through government grants. Every single person doesn't have to donate, I was just pointing out that it is a small number once it is distributed and fundraising would lower it. Or at least make enough money to buy the Jets logo and name from the Phoenix franchise so the royalties on all merchandise sold, which is among 10th in active teams playing today, would get placed into the fund. Door-to-door is just the start, and you don't even have to donate cash, it could be airmiles or petro points that enough of would make an impact as big as cash would anyway. Expand you're thinking process and take the name Selanne off because you're making it look bad.
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Post by selanne405 on May 4, 2009 13:49:18 GMT -5
Ok there are so many things wrong with what you said that I'll have to wait until I get back from work (10:30) to show you.
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Post by domi20 on May 4, 2009 14:04:22 GMT -5
lmao awesome...i really just want to know why you don't want the jets back? also i want to tell you if you're trying to sway me with charity support for the sick and needy, it won't work...i dont care and i hate that my tax money goes to feed the lazy who live off ei or welfare and don't get jobs. ill buy it if it were like 2 weeks after youre out of work but cmon 2 weeks is long enough to find a new job. if you have too many kids you should have planned it out before you had them. if you can afford them there was adoption or abortion. and if you have an incurable disease...doctors and universities research treatments that the government funds out of every individual's pockets anywya. you dont realize that youd make a larger impact if youd write to you mp for government funding opposed to relying on a few people who donate their penny change because they dont want to roll the damn things. youre energy would be much better spent "good samaritan". think outside the box. and if you dont think that bringing the jets here is a good cause please admit it. Winnipeg can't wait for a millionaire to move here and open up shop...they have no reason at all in doing so, we'd have to entice them which is why we need to build up a fund so that a discount could be given to this owner by purchasing the remainder of the bill for a team here. in business there always has to be an advantage given to the funders in order for them to think its a wise investment...and ultimately wed be giving them free money (of course wed have a contract that they couldnt leave town unless winnipeg just lost all interest). and that could happen in which case we would have to rally behind the moose or do what i would and leave town. and if you say nay one more time you wont be invited to any of the games once there is a team here.
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Post by Kenny S on May 4, 2009 15:20:55 GMT -5
I was one of the initial seven people who spearheaded the grassroots Save the Jets campaign back in 1995, and it was a great success story (in terms of rallying the community). We just didn't get the storybook ending. It made sense as there was a reason to donate money, to rally, there was an actual existing product that people related to and was close to their heart.
The idea of asking people now to give away any sum of money towards an idea that is just that, an idea, would never work. It's near impossible to convince 90% of Winnipeger's that the NHL could even come back to Winnipeg, never mind asking for money to support this notion.
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Post by domi20 on May 4, 2009 15:32:03 GMT -5
logically correct good sir. *sigh
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Post by flippy on May 4, 2009 15:37:48 GMT -5
These are only half of the statements you make that I find offensive - I hope there aren't many ROTJ members that feel the same way: shame on you buddy. i'll be blunt. i do not support charity that helps the homeless or sick. i don't believe in it simply on principal [sic]. I don't care about helping people who are "in need" 262.50 is not a lot of money to anyone. Even if you work part-time one week of the year you'd be able to make that (and also help the economy just by working). People like you are not trying hard enough. Those that can't afford should work harder, and honestly who cares about them anyway. [sic]
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Post by domi20 on May 4, 2009 15:58:48 GMT -5
I'm removing this comment; as looking back to it, I see that it contains absolutely nothing to do with a revenue idea for the Jets. It contained personal views that should be left for other boards dealing with those issues.
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