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Post by USApegger on Jan 12, 2006 18:44:19 GMT -5
I love the backlash against the Libs military ads
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Jan 12, 2006 18:47:06 GMT -5
I love the backlash against the Libs military ads LOL... Yeah, one wonder what they were smoking when they made the ads. The Military patrolling the streets in all Canadian cities??? Gimme a break! ;D
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Post by bettmanblows on Jan 12, 2006 19:03:13 GMT -5
I love the backlash against the Libs military ads Absolutely!!! the liberal goverment has been against our military from the start. I was in the military and I can tell you personally that the constant budget cutting has demorilized our boys to the fullest. What really Pissses me off is that its politically correct for them to send our boys to peacekeeping missions but not P.C to give them the equipment kneeded.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 12, 2006 19:21:11 GMT -5
50 years ago, Canada had a military that was as good if not better than any other military in the world (including the US) and now they can't even protect their northern borders
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Post by Kenny S on Jan 12, 2006 19:40:08 GMT -5
If Guiseppe wasn't a separatist, I think he would be a great leader for this country. He seems to be most educated and down to earth person in this race. Too bad he wants to break this country apart! Who is there to vote for? The liberals are crooks, the conservatives are crooks (lets remember the Mulroney years) and the NDP will run our economy into the ground like our provincial NDP has. Of course, these are just my opinions (and I'm not going to back up my statements with links, proof or anything of the such). I remember a long time ago, there was a party call the Elephant party that ran in a provincial election. Their platform was based on reducing mosquitoes and unemployment by giving all the unemployed people fly swatters! I've never forgotten that! So awesome!
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Post by Kenny S on Jan 12, 2006 19:42:15 GMT -5
Do you know what the B.S. thing about this election is? Another minority government will be formed and will be voted out of the house in a year or so, and we'll be back here debating the same thing, while spending millions of tax payers dollars on a third election in four years. I'm sure what the history of minority governments is in Canada, but the two terms I remember, this one and Joe Clark, both ended quickly, costing Canadians so much money.
Nothing will be resolved in this election. It's so frustrating.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Jan 12, 2006 19:55:12 GMT -5
Do you know what the B.S. thing about this election is? Another minority government will be formed and will be voted out of the house in a year or so, and we'll be back here debating the same thing, while spending millions of tax payers dollars on a third election in four years. I'm sure what the history of minority governments is in Canada, but the two terms I remember, this one and Joe Clark, both ended quickly, costing Canadians so much money. Nothing will be resolved in this election. It's so frustrating. Not necessarily.... If the Conservatives continue with their momentum right up to election day, they will form a MAJORITY government!
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Jan 12, 2006 19:57:30 GMT -5
I Who is there to vote for? The liberals are crooks, the conservatives are crooks (lets remember the Mulroney years) Actually, you are thinking of the Progressive Conservative Party (now defunct). The New Conservative Party was formed in 1987 by Preston manning, as the Reform Party.
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Post by Kenny S on Jan 12, 2006 20:00:53 GMT -5
I Who is there to vote for? The liberals are crooks, the conservatives are crooks (lets remember the Mulroney years) Actually, you are thinking of the Progressive Conservative Party (now defunct). The New Conservative Party was formed in 1987 by Preston manning, as the Reform Party. Is this better or worse? Geez, I don't know. I've always voted Conservative, but now, I'm just not believing anybody. Maybe the older I'm getting, the more cynical I'm getting! (Just so you know, the new conservative party was formed in 2003.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Conservative_Party_of_Canada
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Post by sburke on Jan 13, 2006 18:10:12 GMT -5
try the "action party", they want to develop our own culture, and not too "americanize" us much!
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 14, 2006 4:28:23 GMT -5
Muchmusic and CBC have been hyping the "Stop Harper" movement for years but never given real coherant reasons why. Yes he is against gay marriages, if that is all you've got against him and you are NOT gay then you've got nothing. This guy is NOT Brian Mulroney, deal with it. 4 more years of Martin licking communist china's boots, refusing to take a stand on anything, lying and stealing are a LOT scarier than Stephen Harper could EVER be. First things First - i am not anti-constervative, i am all about fairness. It drives me UP THE WALL when people call Steven Harper the devil or somthing, and they have NEVER met the guy - yet it drives me equally up the wall when people love him just becasue they want to vote conservative. Everyone deserves to be listened too. WHy is Harper scary - He supports spending tax dollors on weapons of mass destruction (well has hinted at it, but hasn't officially agreed to anything on paper - then again he is not the primeminister, so why would he?) He wants to REMOVE the gun registry, he strongly disagrees with Gay Marrage, he disagrees with welfare and abortion, he wants to lower GST (one of the greatest things that ever happened to Canada) etc. etc. He is a pro-american right wing extremest. (is that bad? i am not saying so, but i am saying people who are afraid of him have their valid reasons.) Whats wrong with doing trade with china? You think its good that nearly 90% of Canada's trade is done with the USA? if they get pissed off at us for what ever reason, or if our Dollar crashes, or anything - Canada will be in severe trouble. China has a LOWER Dollar - if Canada does trade with China, it works out to our economic advantage. How you say that trading with China is a bad thing is somthing that is just... absurd to say the very very very least. Are we going to vote the Liberals back in? The people that stole from us? How can you support a un-trustworty government? (with all due respect, the liberals did pay our debt (now nearly 500 billion dollars) down by 60 billion since they have been in office, that saves us a absurd amount of money on interest every year) and, well i just STRONGLY disagree with most of what any left wing part represents. Not to mention i know some staff at a hotel that Jack Layton stayed at, that the entire hotel was apparentley talking about him being quite the jerk. Truthfully, i am not confident a good choice exists this time around, but regardless of what i vote, Bill Blakie, represinting the NDP will win my riding. and as soon as he retires, Linda West will begin winning it each year after that. Poor Tanya Parks - a good woman that never stands a chance. Oh i suppose i should touch on my GST comment before like everyone starts hating me talking about how stupid i am for supporting GST. Like i said, I am all about fairness. Equality, etc. I believe i mentioned this on another thread, but oh well... here it goes again... EVERY SINGLE PERSON (regardless of Race, Religion, Income, Colour, Political belief, musical interest, sexual preference, gender, etc. etc. THE ONLY EXCEPTION is clothing for under 12 year olds and bread and milk) EVERY SINGLE PERSON pays 7% interest on the vast vast vast majority Goods and Services. - This includes Tourists (although they can apply for it back, i would assume 0.00000001% actually do, and those would all be people who stay here for like 6 or more months. Even then, incredibly rare). Left wing partys believe that Higher tax brackets should pay a higher % of there income to tax, and more or less contribute MORE to their country. With GST, people who make more still pay more in taxes, because they spend more, people who make less pay less in taxes because they spend less, but we are each subject the the same percentage of Tax. It is the fairest way to tax people - even those who think people should not be alloud to become rich can not have an objection to this point. The government NEEDS to have tax money regardless, so if we cut out GST we have to increase income tax, or property tax, or some other tax. So why not have tourists help pay our bills, without hurting the tourist industry... (No one will look at a Canadian website - see that there is a 7% GST charge and suddenly refuse to travel here). I also believe the government should impliment a Hotel Tax, and tack on a 5% or somthing charge per night per room. Millions in the pocket of the government right there, and only a percentage of that would be from Canadians.
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 14, 2006 4:39:48 GMT -5
Yawn, Anyone can make someone look bad by twisting words out of context. Hell, Michael Moore has made a career out of it. There is nothing Stephen Harper has done or said that is worse than Paul Martin, period. Although i agree Michael Moore is overly Biased, and his films should be considered editorials NOT documentrys... The fact remains every single thing in that movie is a fact. He is Not lieing to us about Bush, nor the things he does. All michael moore does is present facts. Bush should be investigated for insider trading, the War on Iraq also has confilit of interest written all over it. The company that Supplies 100% of the gas/oil (at very inflated prices) to everything American in Iraq is owned by American politicians. I don't like alot of Michael Moores views, i don't like alot of his tatics in getting his point across. But i am willing to give credit where it is due, and not refuse to be openminded to what he says.
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Post by bigchris on Jan 14, 2006 6:54:22 GMT -5
Again, the Liberals are as desperate as Campbell was in 1993 and it shows. The nastier they get this time, the closer we get to a Conservative majority this year. The nasty fearmongering won last time, barely. This time it just looks desperate and in poor taste.
Has George W. Bush sent stormtroopers to curbstomp the gay community? No. Will Stephen Harper do that? No. The courts will determine the legallity of gay marriage and Harper will whine about it but be powerless to do anything anyway. So his opinion on the matter means nothing and is irrelevant.
As for his wanting to build up the army? Why the hell is this so bad? We have soldiers having to go to foodbanks because the Liberals have cut their income to the bone and submarines at West Edmonton Mall that could beat the subs our Navy has. In this day and age of 9-11 and a desperate need to defend our boarders, there is no excuse for having such an embarassing military.
As for trading with China. As long as they refuse to allow human rights and play the "do it or else" card whenever they want something, why should we trade with them? If they won't play by the rules with the G8 then they shouldn't be allowed to play, period. Until China can accept that, they should be as welcome at G8 trade talks as Stalin was.
I also feel good relations with the US is better than bad relations, especially when we need them more than they need us. When this changes, then we can set the terms.
Martin has been an a$$ kissing do nothing. Harper sounds like he wants to be more pro active and put Canada back on the map in terms of credibility worldwide the way Trudeau did so I'm with him.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Jan 14, 2006 17:56:25 GMT -5
he wants to lower GST (one of the greatest things that ever happened to Canada) I assume you are joking. The GST iwas possibly the worst tax ever to be implemented. BTW, the Liberals promised to eradicate the GST in 1993 Noting. We should increase trade with China.. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. That would definitely affect tourism adversely.
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 15, 2006 3:15:48 GMT -5
he wants to lower GST (one of the greatest things that ever happened to Canada) I assume you are joking. The GST iwas possibly the worst tax ever to be implemented. BTW, the Liberals promised to eradicate the GST in 1993 Noting. We should increase trade with China.. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. That would definitely affect tourism adversely. Once again, i wanted to make sure everyone knew I was by no means Anti- Conservative nor Pro Liberal - but i am open minded to both arguements, and think they should both be fairly represented... Big chris, you had some good points in your arguement. But i can't say i agree with them all. I still am pro- trade with China. Mr. Zilla, you went nowhere fast... You disagree with GST (who would have thought? doesn't every Canadian HATE GST, HATE Income tax and HATE every other form of tax - at the same time they HATE our slow health care systems, they HATE our crappy roads, they HATE when there street doesn't get plowed immediatley after a snow strom, they HATE when the streets are sanded immediatley after there is mild amounts of ice, they HATE high tuition fees, etc. etc. etc.) People need to face the facts that our Tax dollars DO go to good causes. GST is a gold mine in the governments pocket, and strongly benefits us all. HOw on earth you plan to go about proving GST has negative effects on tourism is way beyond me, mostly because it doesn't. Is it also absurd to believe that people should be taxed fairly? or is it correct to say that people making (the following %'s are not accurate, just examples) $21,000/yearly should pay 19% of their money towards tax, people making $30,000 should pay 25% of their money in taxes people making $50,000 should pay 33% or their money in taxes and people making $81,000 + should be paying 42% of their money in taxes? Remember - with GST the more you make, the more you likley spend, so you are still paying MORE dollars in taxes, but an equil % of your income, which means we all contribute equally to our country. I mean, clearly you disagree with GST, but i am yet to hear an arguement as to WHY it is so bad? you and some of my friends think I am crazy when i say that GST is good, but i have no idea what you base your arguement on - is it just because you want to pay the sticker price, and not have to add on 14% each time (7% of which is GST)? please enlighten me - i am open to the arguement, if you prove me wrong i will gladly admit defeat. But i'll bet if you asked 5000 people from Europe who were wanting to take a overseas vacation: "Canada has a a 7% tax on all goods and services purchased within the country. Knowing this, would you; A)Rather visit the United States of America - where the Goods and Services tax is far smaller if it exists at all. B)The Tax is irrelevent, I would go to the USA over Canada regardless C)The tax is irrelevent, i would still love to visit Canada I'll bet you would have less than 5% of people say that the Tax pisses them off so much that they will pick some where else to go insted.... ANother question, that would be a FAR better question to survey tourists would be: When planning a vacation, and choosing between countrys - does a goods and services tax (or lack of one) help make your decision? A) Yes B) No C) What is a "Goods and services tax" You would see some yes's - but most of those people would just be saying that, and not really mean it. The vast majority of respondants would answer B) or C) I think the best test that could be done to prove me correct would be: Offer a group of tourists a newly printed Travel Agency book with all kinds of countrys to visit. Each one would clearly mark the EXACT price of the vacation (minus meals and spending money of course), along with photos of the location, and tonnes of other things - most importantly a clear note of what EXACTLY the goods and services sales tax % is. Ask the subject group to narrow their choice to 3 locations (make sure the subject group is really planning on taking a vacation). Then once they have narrowed it down, remove the book and tell qive them a question air with questions like (What was the price of each location? Did each location have swimming pools at the hotel? Contential breakfast? and most importantly What exactly was the Goods and Services tax %?) I believe this test would find that nearly all of them would not know what the Tax% was, and those who did know, would probably put a % down from a location that had a high tax (a memorable one) but they were picking that location anyway - because they don't care what the goods and services tax is. IF we notice that alot of other country's don't have this tax, the survey could still be done, with false numbers. (If USA had a 12% GST tax, i will bet dollars to doughnuts that Disney World wouldn't see a decline in tourists.)
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Post by bigchris on Jan 15, 2006 14:11:20 GMT -5
The GST:
This was proof positive of just how out of touch Mulroney was with the public and the business community at this point in his reign.
Had the tax been implemented properly, it would have been a cut in the Federal Sales Tax that the GST was to replace. (This hidden tax was somewhere in the 18% range from what I recall.) The problem was that this tax had been hidden for years and since store owners never added taxes at the counter, you never knew how much you were paying, if anything at all.
Mulroney was banking on the business community and the shops across the board to drop the hidden tax and replace it with the GST. BIG MISTAKE! The shops, simply kept prices at the rates they were at before and tacked on the GST and PST afterwards. This brought everything straight up and really made people mad. (That and the senate fiasco that got the tax hammered through.)
If Mulroney forces the businesses to do what he wanted through added legislation instead of leaving them to do it from the goodness of their hearts, (stop me from laughing there,) the GST would have meant a tax break for many Canadians and likely the PC's would have not had to wait this long to have a shot at governing again.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Jan 15, 2006 19:11:37 GMT -5
HOw on earth you plan to go about proving GST has negative effects on tourism is way beyond me, mostly because it doesn't. You're putting words into my mouth. I never said any such thing. YOU said we should implement a "HOTEL TAX", and that would adversely affect tourism...
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 16, 2006 0:21:03 GMT -5
HOw on earth you plan to go about proving GST has negative effects on tourism is way beyond me, mostly because it doesn't. You're putting words into my mouth. I never said any such thing. YOU said we should implement a "HOTEL TAX", and that would adversely affect tourism... Fair enough... Although you were fairley unclear on which of my points you were to rebuttle to. I will however, respond with the same commet - how on earth you plan to go about proving a hotel tax will affect tourism is way beyond me. Infact - i went about looking into this a little bit more, and was told that one Already exists... I recently stayed in a hotel in Grand Forks... I believe the sales taxes combine to about 5 or 6 % down there, yet at the Hotel i noticed that the tax was a little over 11% - i was thinking to myself "Damn, my idea has been stolen." AS far as i know, this tax that i want to impliment may already exist - USA has a remarkable amount of tourism every single year. If this tax already does exist, which i think it might - it seems as though your perspective is already proven incorrect. Even if, however, this tax does not yet exist - i strongly believe it would have 0 affect on tourism. Would you really look to see that the room costs $105 per night after tax insted of $100 per night? Would that really be enough to prevent Canada from getting tourists? Somthing tells me no.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 16, 2006 12:15:26 GMT -5
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Infact - i went about looking into this a little bit more, and was told that one Already exists... I recently stayed in a hotel in Grand Forks... I believe the sales taxes combine to about 5 or 6 % down there, yet at the Hotel i noticed that the tax was a little over 11% - i was thinking to myself "Damn, my idea has been stolen." AS far as i know, this tax that i want to impliment may already exist - [/quote]
Seriously you didn't know that this tax exists?
Go to any major city in the US and you will pay it.
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Post by ratzy on Jan 16, 2006 21:49:09 GMT -5
I haven't read all posts...it would take me about 2 hours....wow, lots of stuff! I just want to say that I think pre-election polls end up causing people to vote differently than they normally would. For example, last election I would've voted NDP but in an effort to prevent Liberals from getting into office, I tried voting for the conservatives, and that didn't work anyways. The reason I voted Conservative was because of advance polls which told me that the top two parties were nearly a dead heat. Even this year I may vote conservative but I'm not a huge fan of any major party. Each has good and bad in their platforms...and to me, Steven Harper is the scariest leader of all.
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