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Post by Nikolai on Mar 3, 2005 3:43:30 GMT -5
I'm tired of all this ENDLESS one-sided posting... let's here the pros!
The Moose built the MTS Centre If the AHL Moose never played here would the WHL or NLL have built a fancy 15,000 seat arena? You can argue that Chipman wanted less seats, but the fact is the city of Winnipeg saw it's opportunity to build something new and the Moose were willing to do it.
AHL hockey really is cheaper The NHL is the best league in the world, but it really is higher priced. The AHL isn't the best, but it's alot cheaper to go watch some hockey.
Right now, the best hockey playing A certain Obsessive Moose Hater loves to say this is the only reason people watch the AHL, but that's not really a bad thing. The AHL, full of up and comers isn't locked into some ABSURD AND INSULTING dispute over how to spend our money. These kids aren't the best but they are still on the ice and playing.
Cool Logo The one angry looking moose is a really cool logo. The color scheme is good too. I hate the cartoony nice looking moose from the Minnesota Moose days though. At least someone wouldn't be embarassed to wear the mean-looking moose jersey.
Aren't they actually competitive? Don't quote me on this, but aren't they even in the hunt for the Calder Cup? That's better than most can say, and you aren't going to watch a losing team.
At least a Canadian affiliate Vancouver this, Vancouver that, but how would you have felt about being Phoenix's farm club? Or Nashville's? At least it's another Canadian team.
Did I mention the new arena? Seriously, the did what the old Winnipeg and the Jets could never do: Put a new arena up that can generate revenue. The building of which is absolutely the first paragraph in the revitalizing of Winnipeg, the first moment when a new ambition started brewing. Would anyone believe the Jets were coming back without it?
I hope this thread starts some controversy and puts an END to like 3 or 5 new threads every single day about hating the freakin' moose. Both positions are clearly understood by now.
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Post by Believer on Mar 3, 2005 11:56:39 GMT -5
Interesting post Nik.
I am a 20 game mini-pack holder. I have mentioned this on a few occasions. There are a few reason why I have a 20 game pack...
1) I was very excited to see the new arena and all its ammenities.
2) I figured being a mini-pack holder would give me "first right of refusal" for the NHL when they come back.
3) I enjoy hockey.
4) I get out, have a few cold ones and spend time with my buddies.
As far as the Moose go.......I can honestly say I am not a fan!
I cannot accept that we HAD the best league in the world and now we have a farm team.
Having said that, this years team is quite competitive and entertaining.
If the CBA doesn't work out in our favour (I am sure it will), and it doesn't look like we will get the NHL back, (I am sure we will), I will not re-new my pack.
I am only supporting them in the short term and will not continue to support them if it looks like the NHL won't come back.
The novelty of the new arena will have worn off, the team we have this year will be dismantled when the "good" players are called up, and I will spend my money elsewhere.
But.....
I am the eternal optimist.
Everything will work out, we will have the NHL back in a couple years and I will trade in and upgrade my 20 game pack to a season ticket!
I do agree whole-heartedly that without the Moose, we would not have the arena we have now, and this whole campaign would be a moot point!
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Post by Joker on Mar 3, 2005 12:59:59 GMT -5
A good thing about the Moose, that you forgot: They will soon be relocating. Truth be told, i know that we never would've gotten the phone booth without them, so they have been good for a few things. But I do have to wonder if the NHL lets replacement players in, how many Moose players will cross the line? J.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 3, 2005 13:20:06 GMT -5
Hah. Nik - easy for you to say. You live within walking distance of an NHL team. Let's see the Wild relocate and be replaced with the Av's or Stars' farm team and let's see how happy you are... Wrong. Winnipeg desperately needed a new arena- with or without the Moose. Ok, I'll give you that one. Now this is the part that makes you look foolish... Don't know you that all those AHL players are 1 small step away from becoming one of those "greedy players"? Those kids are "on the ice and playing" because it's their job. I bet you $5 if any of those Moose players were playing for the Canucks they'd be saying "No way in Hell am I ever accepting a salary cap!" And don't call me an "Obsessive Moose hater"... if you have a problem with me, PM me or e-mail me. I also DON'T say "that's the only reason people watch them". You obviously pay NO attention to what I say. Having a nice logo isn't reason enough for me to support them. LOL. Big deal! The Vancouver Canucks farm team has good chemistry. Whoop-dee-doo! As a Winnipegger I couldn't care less. I'd prefer a team that wasn't a former hated rival. (yawn) When the Jets come back, I'll thank the people involved with getting the MTS Centre built. Until then it's a $140 million dollar toilet. If you want me to stop posting about the Moose, fire off a quick e-mail or PM and say so instead of whining on the msg. board.
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Post by MOC on Mar 3, 2005 13:37:09 GMT -5
Wrong. Winnipeg desperately needed a new arena- with or without the Moose. Without the Moose, we wouldn't have gotten what we did. Say we didn't have the AHL, and just a WHL team. I'd bet we'd only have a 10,000-12,000 seat new arena now if that were the case. At least with the Moose we got an arena capable of holding NHL hockey, albeit just barely. No need to swear. And yes, you obsessively hate the Moose, and spread that hate as much as you can. [quote[I'd prefer a team that wasn't a former hated rival.[/quote] I'd simply prefer hockey, because I'm a hockey fan.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 3, 2005 14:18:33 GMT -5
The Moose only avg'd around 6,000 a game at the old barn, so why build a 15,000 seater?
Answer: for concerts and other events and to "keep our options open" as far as the return of the NHL is concerned.
It would be the same thing if we had a WHL or NLL team.
Hah. You're one to talk.
Since registering on here you've done little else except criticize my posts.
Not much of a contributer.
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Post by MOC on Mar 3, 2005 14:27:58 GMT -5
Hah. You're one to talk. Since registering on here you've done little else except criticize my posts. Not much of a contributer. Oh no! I don't come up with revenue sources! Ahhh, ban me! Since when is "contributing how Blackthorne expects you to contribue" a requirement of posting here? I contribute: Much of the time, it is calling you out when you either ignore one side altogether or dismiss something or someone for disagreeing with you. I bring a level-headedness and tend to look at all sides of a situation. You hate the Moose, I don't. As a result, because nik disagreed with the negativity towards the Moose, and you blasting him for it, I spoke up, because what I saw was simple bullying.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 3, 2005 14:53:24 GMT -5
Oh? And him calling me an "Obsessive Moose hater" and saying how he's sick of my anti-Moose rants isn't blasting me or bullying?
Your expected reply: "Well you *are* an obsessive Moose hater and a lot of people are sick of your rants."
And thus, this pointless charade continues...
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 3, 2005 15:13:48 GMT -5
I'll ease up on my Moose-bashing.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 3, 2005 15:33:37 GMT -5
The Moose built the MTS CentreIf the AHL Moose never played here would the WHL or NLL have built a fancy 15,000 seat arena? You can argue that Chipman wanted less seats, but the fact is the city of Winnipeg saw it's opportunity to build something new and the Moose were willing to do it. Actually, the taxpayers shelled out millions for it too, so technically, everyone in Winnipeg with a job paid for it. Besides, Winnipeg will never get a NLL or WHL team, since Chipman won't allow them to use the new arena. AHL hockey is also boring and lacks passion. Why shell out $60 for two tickets. I would rather pay $120 for NHL hockey. Besides, the WHL is much cheaper and is more exciting to watch. Some of these "kids" are minor league journeymen in their 30's. I think you have the AHL mixed up with Junior hockey. As soon as those "up and commers" start to shine, they get called up to Vancouver. So what's the point of following their progress when you know if they become hot, they will be called up... The color scheme is AWFUL. They tried to copy the Canucks. It looks terrible, and doesn't fit here. If they made the colors yellow and brown (the Bison/provincial colors), it would be a vast improvement. Who cares? I would rather watch a last place NHL team than AHL champions. It wouldn't matter. The players will leave the Moose if they can prove they are NHL material. Who cares where they go? They won't be in Winnipeg.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 3, 2005 15:36:12 GMT -5
Without the Moose, we wouldn't have gotten what we did. Say we didn't have the AHL, and just a WHL team. I'd bet we'd only have a 10,000-12,000 seat new arena now if that were the case. At least with the Moose we got an arena capable of holding NHL hockey, albeit just barely. Totally false. Chipman WANTED to build a 10-12,000 seat arena, but was told he would receive no government assistance unless the arena's capacity was at least 15,000.
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Post by RemyShanx on Mar 3, 2005 15:41:07 GMT -5
K, MOC and Blackthorne, there is obviously some osrt of sexual tension between you 2... This friday meet up and do your deed, then things can carry on without the bickering...
If its constructive bickering then by all means, but the childish "name calling" and all that crap I've seen from you 2... you guys need to just get it out of your systems.... so rememebr this friday
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Post by MOC on Mar 3, 2005 15:41:57 GMT -5
Totally false. Chipman WANTED to build a 10-12,000 seat arena, but was told he would receive no government assistance unless the arena's capacity was at least 15,000. I think it would be a different story if we only had the WHL in town, with no sign of an AHL team ever. Then, Chipman might not have been involved and something else would've gone ahead. The Moose were the single biggest factor we got a new arena at all.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 3, 2005 15:43:02 GMT -5
But, again, until the NHL returns to Winnipeg all the MTS Centre really is is $40 million of our tax money for a new home for the Vancouver Canucks future players.
And show me 1 other arena on the planet that curtains off 6,000+ seats for its prime (and only) tenant.
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Post by MOC on Mar 3, 2005 15:44:33 GMT -5
But, again, until the NHL returns to Winnipeg all the MTS Centre really is is $40 million of our tax money for a new home for the Vancouver Canucks future players. Well, yeah. And for concerts, monster truck rallies and career fairs, etc.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Mar 3, 2005 15:52:04 GMT -5
I think it would be a different story if we only had the WHL in town, with no sign of an AHL team ever. Then, Chipman might not have been involved and something else would've gone ahead. The Moose were the single biggest factor we got a new arena at all. Not really. Fargo and Grand Forks stealing away big name acts and events was the single biggest factor Winnipeg built the arena...
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Post by Joker on Mar 3, 2005 15:56:16 GMT -5
That got ugly fast
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Post by MOC on Mar 3, 2005 16:12:24 GMT -5
Not really. Fargo and Grand Forks stealing away big name acts and events was the single biggest factor Winnipeg built the arena... But if we didn't have a hockey team, would the impetus to build been there? We replaced a shoddy 15,000 seat arena with a nice 15,000 seat one to have a concert every few weeks?
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Post by Nikolai on Mar 5, 2005 16:28:51 GMT -5
Actually Jason I wasn't thinking of you with the obsessive moose hater comment. You read that into it yourself, brah.
There's two sides to every coin, I was looking for the other side for a change of pace here. Without the moose in Winnipeg the NHL would be much, much farther away. I think everyone can agree to that. It's just a stepping stone to better things, but not repulsive for being one.
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Post by blackthorne on Mar 5, 2005 16:39:45 GMT -5
Y'know what's funny? Or... probably *sad*...
I think Grand Forks and Fargo still get many events/concerts that bypass Winnipeg...
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