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Post by razorsedge on Oct 23, 2007 21:08:12 GMT -5
With the talk about the NFL going to Toronto for a game and maybe a possible team, plus the talk with what would happen with the CFL if a NFL team was in Toronto. I started thinking about what spin off effect would losing the Bombers (if the CFL folded) would have on Winnipeg's chance of bringing an NHL team back.
Granted the CFL is not in any kind of real competition with the NHL. But Winnipeg's only professional team worth watching is the Blue Bombers. Right now, it seems that the average pegger is content only having a CFL team to represent the city in the sports world. But what if they didn't have that anymore?
There is no hope in h*ll Winnipeg will ever have an NFL franchise. So would the attention by Winnipeg's sports fans be re-directed to the NHL? I doubt the Moose will ever truly be embraced like the Jets were an d the Bombers are. Losing the Bombers would put the city of Winnipeg complete rock bottom concerning it as a sports city. Maybe thats whats needed to get entire city on board with the idea of returning the Jets to Winnipeg.
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Post by blackthorne on Oct 23, 2007 21:54:41 GMT -5
Well, Asper's new stadium will ensure financial stability for the Bombers.
It doesn't matter to me if Toronto gets an NFL team or not. It won't change my view or opinion of the CFL.
The CFL folding, razorsedge? Can't foresee it.
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Post by kj79 on Oct 23, 2007 23:38:21 GMT -5
If the CFL folded because of an NFL team in T.O. I would boycott everything Toronto and NFL(not like I watch NFL now). That would kill sports in Winnipeg and Regina as well.
That may re-direct people's focus but I would hate to have the jets back that way.
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Post by mcguire4 on Oct 24, 2007 1:04:10 GMT -5
here's my take on this. IF the CFL ever did fold, im quite certain that the NFL would indeed put teams in our markets. yes, your right, they will not be NFL teams, but that failed experiment called NFL EUROPE would now be called NFL CANADA. think about it. the NFL for years has already used our league as the equalifent to the AHL. year after year we saw players cut their contracts short to head south ( CFL/NFL agreement) granted without the NFL's help back then this talk would not be happening as the league would have died a long time now. but....maybe it should have died. i think we would see larger crowds at the games if the game had the NFL stamp of approval on it. we are canadian after all and as canadians we wont love something unless uncle sam loves it too. so there you go.
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Post by dbp1990 on Oct 24, 2007 1:06:47 GMT -5
I just had a chill go down my spine!
But I do kinda like the NFL CANADA idea...............
They could call it the CFL!
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Post by USArizona on Oct 24, 2007 1:32:44 GMT -5
I remember back in the early 70's, the WFL wanted to put a team in Toronto. They were going to be called the Toronto Northmen. But some CDN entity took the WFL to court, and the team had to relocate to Memphis where they were renamed the Memphis Southmen.
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Post by ~Jiffy~ on Oct 24, 2007 8:28:50 GMT -5
If the bombers were no more.. i would prolly cry... that would be such an awful day... i can't even think it.
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Post by joelzillmanwpg on Oct 24, 2007 13:36:35 GMT -5
I can't see that happening in the forseeable future, but I would feel like rioting if the Bombers ever left.
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Post by senner on Oct 24, 2007 14:53:47 GMT -5
I guess if it was ever to happen, I would just find a good spongee team to support.
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Post by razorsedge on Oct 24, 2007 17:16:06 GMT -5
The CFL folding, razorsedge? Can't foresee it. Well, I don't think it's that far fetched of an idea. Not so many years ago the CFL was in some pretty serious financial problems, and that was before the NFL even considered a Canadian franchise. But the point of this thread is not the CFL folding, but would a lack of professional sports teams change some of the naysayers attitude towards the idea of bringing the NHL back to Winnipeg. Would they actually WANT an NHL team in Winnipeg?
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Post by mking4 on Oct 28, 2007 14:55:38 GMT -5
TO has been talking forever about getting an NFL franchise, and it's not going to happen. The NFL wouldn't put a team in TO if it meant destroying the CFL, they would rather have the CFL as a feeder league than one more NFL team that would possibly be half way successful. They still don't have a team in LA and you'd think they'd rather be there than TO.
Second of all, whose to say that if it did happen that the CFL would die? The CFL has been topping the television ratings in this country all year. More people watched the Bomber/Hamilton game than all NFL games combined that week. Everywhere in this country except TO CFL is big.
And the idea of an NFL Canada mini league taking the place of the CFL is just crazy and incredibly stupid. That would be like going from NHL to EHL. The reason the CFL is so great is because it's a different game than the NFL, we get different sorts of elite athletes. If we switched to American rules, then we really would just be just a farm league.
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Post by mking4 on Oct 28, 2007 14:58:21 GMT -5
Why would the Bombers have anything to do with a return of the NHL to Winnipeg? Hockey fans are hockey fans whether or not the Bombers are in town.
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Post by White-Out on Oct 28, 2007 15:24:17 GMT -5
here's my take on this. IF the CFL ever did fold, im quite certain that the NFL would indeed put teams in our markets. yes, your right, they will not be NFL teams, but that failed experiment called NFL EUROPE would now be called NFL CANADA. think about it. the NFL for years has already used our league as the equalifent to the AHL. year after year we saw players cut their contracts short to head south ( CFL/NFL agreement) granted without the NFL's help back then this talk would not be happening as the league would have died a long time now. but....maybe it should have died. i think we would see larger crowds at the games if the game had the NFL stamp of approval on it. we are canadian after all and as canadians we wont love something unless uncle sam loves it too. so there you go. Thats the most ridiculous post i've seen on here in some time. NO WAY THE CFL FOLDS for one and theres a BIG difference between the CFL and NFL such as rules, field setting.
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Post by Alex on Oct 28, 2007 16:38:35 GMT -5
I think this whole NFL going to Toronto idea is overhyped.
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Post by razorsedge on Oct 28, 2007 16:44:47 GMT -5
Why would the Bombers have anything to do with a return of the NHL to Winnipeg? Hockey fans are hockey fans whether or not the Bombers are in town. I don't think there are that many hockey fans in the city*. If so, the Moose would sellout all the time. A good chunk of people on here don't watch hockey at all, but were very passionate Jets fans back in the day and are all for the an NHL team back in Winnipeg. IMO, people are more so concerned with having professional sports team in the city for the pride that it brings. The average Winnipegger seems to be content with the CFL and AHL. But eliminate the CFL and all the city is left with is the minor league to the NHL. Maybe having a lack of pro-teams in the city may remind people what we used have...an NHL team. Just thinking maybe the casual sports fan will jump on board with this campaign. * returnofthejets.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=polls&action=display&thread=1169337337
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Post by mcguire4 on Oct 28, 2007 18:25:52 GMT -5
the CFL could very EASILY fold. dont think it cant happen. hell this league lives paycheque to paycheque! still no team in ottawa and when they do come back it will be for a season or two before they are on sabatical again. montreal has FOLDED before and they were gone for some time. do i really think the NFL is going to toronto?....no, of course not and for reasons that are posted here and documented all over the place. one would have to live under a rock not to know the reasons behind why it wont happen. my scenario was hypothetical...and i COULD see exactly that happening. ( thats IF the NFL went to toronto) you compare it to the EHL...well i said AHL. the CFL has always been the SECOND BEST league in the world. NFL EUROPE didnt rate and was probably why a proposed WORLD BOWL champioship game between the CFL champ and the NFL EUROPE champ never materialized.
dont take me for a fool, i have been around this game for a VERY long time. hell, you could even still call the "new" teams the bombers, eskimos riders, stamps...etc. get what im saying? dont want the CFL to die?.....get out to the games...ACROSS THE COUNTRY!...i saw 40,000 in skydome......that was great. havent seen that kind of a crowd there in i dont know how long.
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Post by mojo on Oct 29, 2007 21:37:46 GMT -5
The CFL is in better shape now then it has ever been and it is not in danger of folding. Check the tv ratings in Canada this year before the NHL season started the CFL was always the top rated sports in the country beating baseball and the NFL. Stadiums across the CFL for the most part are having great attendance and the league is thriving.
Who cares if the NFL goes to Toronto it will not hurt the CFL just because the so called Centre of the Universe does not have a team. The heart land of the CFL is from Winnipeg to Alberta they are the team that have fans that support them and the entire league. Montreal is a strong market and so is BC.... Take Toronto and relocate them and this league would be fine. Besides all this talk of the NFL to Toronto is BS anyway because before the NFL would ever consider Canada they will put a team back in LA first.
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Post by mcguire4 on Oct 29, 2007 22:25:42 GMT -5
so you are saying 4 teams is enough to hold the CFL's head above water? Winnipeg to ALBERTA...thats what you say MOJO...thats 4 teams. HALF of what we got right now. i know the TV ratings are strong, but...now that the NFL is on.....are they stills strong?....no, they are not as strong as before the NFL kicked off. never have been, never will be when the NFL is on the tube. FACT. listen, the point of my last post was this...dont take the CFL for granted, cuz it can die real easy. MOJO....your post is exactly that, a guy that takes the league for granted. there is no way in H E double hockey sticks that the CFL lives off of the west.....no way at all.
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Post by mojo on Oct 30, 2007 0:01:47 GMT -5
I am not saying that at all the heartland of the CFL is well known in Winnipeg, Saskatchewan, Edmonton and Calgary... For years these cities have had the highest attendance...Outside of those cities Montreal is a strong market, Hamilton because of Bob Young is growing and will get better and B.C. has come a long way in the last five years. In case you missed my point buddy I said in the previous post that Montreal and B.C. are strong markets.. But ask where the CFL is the most popular and it is Manitoba to Alberta so don't put words in my mouth.
I do not take this league for granted pal and you have no idea who I am I am a Bomber season ticket holder and have attend Bomber games this year in Toronto, Saskatchewan, B.C and Calgary.
My point is the CFL does NOT NEED TORONTO TO STAY A VIABLE LEAGUE. All the other teams are strong and in the next four years I hope to see a team in the East Coast and maybe even Quebec City or another location in Ontario if Toronto bails.
If you do not want to think it or not the West is where the CFL is the most popular and those teams are strong Toronto is not the centre of the universe like some people think.
And yes the CFL tv ratings are strong and beating the NFL for the week of the 13th the NFL was 5th with two CFL games ahead of it. Numbers don't like buddy. You must be from Ontario and think that anything in the United States is better..
So for your comment that the CFL will never draw better numbers then the NFL is BS. The only NFL game in the top 10 that week was a Sunday night game what about all the games played on Sunday where are they in the ratings?
Ratings on October 13th
1) Hockey, Penguins at Maple Leafs, Saturday (CBC): 1,207,000 2) Hockey, Oilers at Canucks, Saturday (CBC): 859,000 3) Football, Bombers at Stampeders, Sunday (TSN): 448,000 4) Football, Alouettes at Argos, Friday (TSN): 428,000 5) Football, NFL late games, Sunday (Sportsnet): 385,000 6) Baseball, Indians at Red Sox, Saturday (Sportsnet): 372,000 7) Football, Lions at Eskimos, (CBC): 358,000 8) Baseball, Rockies at D-Backs, Friday (Sportsnet): 331,000 9) Football, Roughriders at Ticats, Sunday (TSN): 320,000 10) Baseball, D-backs at Rockies, Sunday (Sportsnet): 306,000
This weeks tv ratings and a cfl game finished ahead of the world series and 3 CFL games finished ahead of the NFL...
TOP 10
1. Hockey Saturday CBC Tor-NYR & Mon-Pit @ 1094,000 I hate this multi game numbers as they are not a true reflection, having said that we suspect the Leafs drew the vast majority down from last year 1.194M 2. CFL Saturday CBC Win-Tor @ 542,000 awesome afternoon numbers to rival hockey 3. 5. MLB World Series Sunday Sportsnet @ 532,000 & Saturday Sportsnet @ 423,000 overall average down 10% 4. CFL Saturday Mon-Cal TSN @ 230,000 & RDS @ 195,000 = 425,000 combined great numbers for a busy night 6. Hockey Saturday late CBC Edm-LA @ 409,000 late game numbers are down some 15% from last year 7. CFL Friday late TSN Sask-Edm @ 383,000 up from average by 5% 8. NFL early games CTV @ 315,000 bogus multi games is only for ad revenue purpose 9. CFL Friday TSN BC-Ham @ 270,000 lower numbers for a horrendous early start 10. Nascar 500 Sunday TSN @ 209,000
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