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Post by Darren Ford on Dec 22, 2004 13:55:30 GMT -5
With the NHL back in Winnipeg I feel a new perimeter stadium would not effect downtown's revival. However, if the current level of hockey remains our future, I fear a new perimeter stadium may squash downtown's hopes of proper revitalization. Ideally, both the NHL and a new, exciting home for the Bombers would be in our near furure. This way we can all become a very proud sports community again and reap the benefits of international acclaim and tourism. That being said, I love the idea of a new stadium. It only adds to our growing optimism. The NHL can take care of downtown, Polo Park could use the open space and traffic relief and Sunny St. James can act as the new parade route of honking horns after a Bomber victory.
Too good to be true?...lets hope not.
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Post by dreamcatcher on Dec 22, 2004 14:21:44 GMT -5
I would say, Darren, that construction for this facility is all but a foregone conclusion.
I hope they have a few design ideas, however, because this puppy looks alot like a Toilet from above. LOL
Perhaps going the rest of the way to enclose it as a domed stadium will increase the life of the facility, and provide 100% comfort to all attending Bomber games as well change its appearance with this one addition.
Not sure, however, I agree that the proposed facility would effect Downtown revitalization since the existing Canad Inn at Polo Park currently has no effect on what goes on there.
If you mean that should the Moose remain primary tenant at MTS Centre after the construction of the new Stadium @ the Perimeter will THIS actually take away from future development in the downtown surrounding MTS Centre it MIGHT have a backlash effect and create further development in the location of the proposed facility. But I think that people are buying into the idea of locating themselves around the MTS Centre anyway.
If anything, the new facility has already created a boost to some of the surrounding businesses, and I've noticed specific types of businesses opening up around thie Arena. The type that are successful and would have a hard time failing regardless.
The results, however, of the NHL unpacking their bags at the MTS Centre, hell THIS is an entirely DIFFERENT story.
For starters, it is likely to immediately bring 900-1200 people back to this city all directly or indirectly associated with the Club, or who's business is, in some way, associated.
As you envisioned, the Downtown would be filled with people I believe, all the time. There is, in my opinion, no comparison between the economic benefit of the NHL hear as opposed to Vancouvers farm team.
I envision a very different Winnipeg in 10 years Darren, and like you, I believe I will be very happy that I kept my family and myself from ever leaving the city I love.
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Post by Fan2 on Dec 22, 2004 16:44:34 GMT -5
If the new stadium is built out at Red River Ex grounds, it won't be long after that till Headingley officially becomes part of the city, as businesses will being to develop westward. I think it will be great for population growth to have the stadium outside the perimeter.
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Post by greengiant on Dec 22, 2004 17:20:29 GMT -5
they should make some express buses then cuz some ppl have a longer way to go then!
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Post by Ducky on Dec 23, 2004 0:04:58 GMT -5
Yeah I think express buses will happen especially with Canad Inns involved.
As for the waterpark beeing smaller than westedmonton mall, that sucks but I also heardfrom word of mouth is they will build this waterpark in phases, meaning every so many years the waterpark will expand.
One should not be surprised by the amount of money the federal goverment will contribute to the new stadium, for one its canadian football league and the feds sponsors that league and secondly the goverment gives out big grants to community projects as the bombers are community owned.
Some ask why not dome the stadium, for one football is made for the outdoors, but a case can be made to feature other events especially in the winter so a dome would be essential. One cheap alternative would be to have a golf dome (like at wilks ave) erected every winter over the stadium. The city and True North may have a problem with that b/c it may steal events on there side.
As for the Red River Ex involvement, everybody seems to undermine the reason why they are involved. Paul Robson did say he is looking at expanding his fair (the agricultural one) meaning one thing they are looking at staging the 2nd best rodeo circuit, to the calgary stampede, in the country. This would bring much more needed tourism dollars to Winnipeg and thats one other big reason why the feasibility study will make it a go and the stadium will be used for that.
I just thought out another use for the stadium in the winter time and that is the Manitoba Moose could get involved and have a sheet of ice installed in the bombers field for practice purposes if the stadium does get domed. Just a thought that way the more investors the better it is and the more use the new stadium gets.
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Post by Y2C on Dec 23, 2004 10:09:32 GMT -5
I would love it if it was at the same place as Winnipeg Stadium. The location sucks.
The Bombers rely heavily on the walk-up crowd at games and I can only imagine how well we'd do there with the stadium way the hell away from everything.
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Post by Believer on Dec 23, 2004 11:37:21 GMT -5
This is a perfect location for such a huge endeavour.
Even from Transcona, it will be a 30 minute drive via the perimeter.
From Transcona to Polo Park, through the city is about 35 mins.
Can some of you honestly say you wouldn't drive to the Exhibition Grounds?
This project is only possible there. It will be a partnership between Bombers, Red River Ex, and CanadInns.....Take one away and the project doesn't happen.
I can't wait!
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Post by Ducky on Dec 23, 2004 19:13:59 GMT -5
I would love it if it was at the same place as Winnipeg Stadium. The location sucks. The Bombers rely heavily on the walk-up crowd at games and I can only imagine how well we'd do there with the stadium way the hell away from everything. yes t'is true this city is a walk up city, could that be because that alot of people rely on their last paycheck to buy a bomber ticket? I think a solution would be to up the demand of tickets by only selling so many like the Moose do.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 23, 2004 19:18:57 GMT -5
Thu, December 23, 2004
Prime stadium site draws interest
By FRANK LANDRY, LEGISLATURE REPORTER
Developers are salivating at the opportunity to convert the Canad Inns Stadium space into a retail paradise. The 25-acre property is large enough to accommodate an IKEA furniture store, which has so far eluded the city. It's also suitable for smaller stores, offices, a hotel and maybe an assisted living complex, says Sandy Shindleman, president of Shindico Realty.
"It is a developer's dream to have a large land parcel in such a sought-after area open up," Shindleman said yesterday. "People will be very interested in acquiring that property."
The Winnipeg Football Club, the Red River Exhibition Association and Canad Inns Corp. are looking at building a complex on the western edge of the city that would include a new stadium. If the project goes ahead, Canad Inns Stadium on Maroons Road would likely be demolished.
DECLINED TO SPECULATE
"The value of the land will certainly be unprecedented in Winnipeg," said Derrick Chartier, president of commercial real estate brokers CB Richard Ellis.
Chartier declined to speculate how much the property could fetch because it likely wouldn't be on the market for several years.
Coun. Harvey Smith said Canad Inns Stadium should be saved from the wrecking ball. The facility could be kept for amateur sports and other events, he said.
"Let's see what the people of Winnipeg have to say," said Smith, whose Daniel McIntyre ward borders the Polo Park area.
Shindleman said the parcel is big enough for an IKEA, but it may be too expensive for them. Also, IKEA likes to have highway access or be near a major thoroughfare, he said.
Dwight MacNeil, chairman of the West End Development Corp., said the neighbourhood doesn't need any more retail shops. Traffic is already too congested in the area and local residents are getting fed up, he said.
"From my purely selfish point of view, I would like to see just parking and smaller-scale retail there," MacNeil said. "I don't really think we need more massive big-box development in the area."
Premier Gary Doer said it's too early to talk about the fate of Canad Inns Stadium.
However, as a Bombers fan Doer said he's enthusiastic there's talk of a new facility.
"I want to be personally optimistic and professionally cautious," Doer said when asked whether he believes the new stadium will be built.
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Post by Ari G on Dec 23, 2004 23:46:13 GMT -5
Thu, December 23, 2004 Dwight MacNeil, chairman of the West End Development Corp., said the neighbourhood doesn't need any more retail shops. Traffic is already too congested in the area and local residents are getting fed up, he said. "From my purely selfish point of view, I would like to see just parking and smaller-scale retail there," MacNeil said. "I don't really think we need more massive big-box development in the area." Yeah!!! That's a brilliant idea!!! Let's raze it to the ground and build a huge parking lot!! That's a perfect solution, you stupid dumbf**k!!!!!
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Post by Yar on Dec 24, 2004 1:52:19 GMT -5
just a thought. once the new stadium opens, how about building a permanent amusement park at the exhibition grounds. it probably would never fly but man would that be sweet!!!!
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Post by Ducky on Dec 25, 2004 0:14:53 GMT -5
yeah an six flag amusement park would be totally awesome. Would be even better if it were inside a dome for year round use. Back to the new stadium I only support its location if the Red River Ex will actually expand and use the new stadium for like a rival stampede to calgary. Other than that I would like the stadium built near downtown off main and higgins near waterfront drive this would sure bring more people downtown and revitalize the exchange and main street. Afterall when we have tourist come down here we want to show them our beautiful downtown area rather than a suburban area, right. Here are a couple links to show another proposed stadium would look like: www.homestead.com/rec/EXECUTIVESUMMARY.htmlwww.homestead.com/OneManitobaPlace/TheBuilding.htmlI would even suggest to have a gold dome type roof throughout the winter, and have no roof during the summer.
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Post by SKRoughriders on Dec 31, 2004 13:55:41 GMT -5
We love the proposed location for the stadium. It will cut down on travel costs for us.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 31, 2004 14:46:24 GMT -5
correction I wrote :I would even suggest to have a GOLD dome type roof throughout the winter, and have no roof during the summer.
the word gold is suppose to be Golf. oops
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 31, 2004 23:22:03 GMT -5
I would love it if it was at the same place as Winnipeg Stadium. Or, in the downtown area. Right along with the MTS Centre, and Canwest Global Park. If you want to revitalize downtown, that's the way to do it. You'll have bars and restaraunts opening all over downtown.
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 1, 2005 18:47:32 GMT -5
hey if the jets return,can we get a heritage classic game in the new stadium,like edmonton had.that would be cool.
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Post by hatrick007 on Jan 3, 2005 19:09:15 GMT -5
I'd love to have a Heritage Classic game, what was the Winnipeg stadium's capacity for the Grey Cup???
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Post by AfterBurner Blog (djdomain) on Jan 5, 2005 23:45:39 GMT -5
God damn, I love this website. People who can think ahead, think of the future!
YES we can build a stadium at the exhibition grounds! YES we can build a water park! YES we can build a light rail transit system from there to downtown! YES we can expand Bishop Grandin to go across the entire city with a 100km/h speed limit to make travelling easier! YES we can build Waverly West AND revitalize downtown at the same time! YES WE CAN GET AN NHL FRANCHISE BACK AND SUPPORT IT FOR DECADES TO COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have been a "have-not" province for too long! We have the new arena! We finally have a mayor who diesn't have his head up his Go Jets Go! The time is now to think BIG! It is small minded idiots that have kept this city and province from living up to its full potential!!
I want Winnipeg to be the best place in the world to live. It can happen with ideas like this.
GO JETS GO
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Post by icecoldian on Jan 6, 2005 5:13:55 GMT -5
With the NHL back in Winnipeg I feel a new perimeter stadium would not effect downtown's revival. However, if the current level of hockey remains our future, I fear a new perimeter stadium may squash downtown's hopes of proper revitalization. Ideally, both the NHL and a new, exciting home for the Bombers would be in our near furure. This way we can all become a very proud sports community again and reap the benefits of international acclaim and tourism. That being said, I love the idea of a new stadium. It only adds to our growing optimism. The NHL can take care of downtown, Polo Park could use the open space and traffic relief and Sunny St. James can act as the new parade route of honking horns after a Bomber victory. Too good to be true?...lets hope not. Could it be put any better? Well said Darren! Yet no matter how many people you say that to, and how simple and easy it is to understand, we will still have to deal with stubborn pessimist Winnipeggers! (NOT REFERING TO ALL WINNIPEGGERS, JUST THE STUBBORN PESSIMISTS {which is alot})
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 6, 2005 23:45:02 GMT -5
nice post djdomain.that is what darren has done.he's brought the optimists together.
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