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Post by fan2 on Dec 2, 2004 12:31:37 GMT -5
Apparently the NHLPA has a new proposal for the NHL. Chances are it's another luxury-tax system that won't work, but maybe it will get the ball rolling a little. Here's to hoping the owners don't cave. www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=106699
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 2, 2004 17:35:07 GMT -5
Freeze 'em out!!
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Post by Ducky on Dec 3, 2004 5:43:45 GMT -5
Word is that they (NHLPA) want to just meet the rich owners, so the league can continue to be in shambles. I am sure rich franchises like the Rangers would like a luxury tax, so they can outspend like the MLB Yankees.
Chances are out there that the NHL season can still be saved just like the last time, in 1994. I sure hope not the league needs to start from scratch and get rid of those red neck teams, I guess thats excluding Dallas.
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Post by Gordo33 on Dec 3, 2004 9:11:21 GMT -5
I'm somewhat skeptical that you are going to see much different coming from the NHLPA. Until they start talking salary cap or cost certainty the NHL is just not going to be interested.
I don't see anyway this season can be saved. To be honest, the longer it goes, the better it is for us anyway.
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 3, 2004 10:35:30 GMT -5
To be honest, the longer it goes, the better it is for us anyway. Agreed.
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Post by jetsfanatic on Dec 3, 2004 11:49:56 GMT -5
well from what i have heard,seems the nhlpa has lowered the luxury tax from 50 million to 45 million in this new offer.they will pay 70 cents on the dollar on anything over 45 million,can winnipeg afford such a deal?
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Post by Yar on Dec 3, 2004 13:33:28 GMT -5
it doesnt matter if we can afford that kind of a deal because if it doesnt include some sort of a cap, there wont be a deal. i figure the season will be cancelled in the next few weeks which sucks but is great for us in the long run.
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Post by icecoldian on Dec 3, 2004 14:22:51 GMT -5
I don't know... I had herd that the NHLPA decided that it would no longer rule out a Salary Cap. only months ago NHL REFUSED to discuss anything that didn't involve a salary cap, and the NHLPA REFUSED to discuss anything that did involve a salary cap...
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Post by Joker on Dec 3, 2004 15:15:32 GMT -5
With regards to a Hard cap. Darcy Tucker was on SportsNet last week saying they wouldn't accept one. Now I've been thinking that's union rhetoric the whole time. But do you cat's think the union might actually come up with a soft cap proposal that the league might accept?
My understanding of a hard cap is that the club is given a cap that has, for examples sake, say $35 million, and allows room for a franchise player to be outside the cap. Right/Wrong? anyone know? and if it's right, how would a soft cap work if anyone knows.
J.
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Post by jamiebez on Dec 3, 2004 15:44:25 GMT -5
My understanding of a hard cap is that the club is given a cap that has, for examples sake, say $35 million, and allows room for a franchise player to be outside the cap. Right/Wrong? anyone know? and if it's right, how would a soft cap work if anyone knows. Actually, what you described is a soft cap. A soft cap is one that sets a maximum payroll but allows exceptions like franchise players, resigning your own free agents, etc. This is how the NBA does it - a system Bettman helped negotiate. A hard cap is one where you can't go over the limit no matter what. If you do, you get fined, lose draft picks or whatever punishment the league can dream up. This is the NFL model. There's a great page at www.andrewsstarspage.com/cba.htm that describes the NHL and NBA models (scroll down to Dec 2003)
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 3, 2004 17:09:53 GMT -5
With regards to a Hard cap. Darcy Tucker was on SportsNet last week saying they wouldn't accept one. Darcy Tucker's an idiot. He should keep his mouth shut because once they start to eliminate teams, it'll be the third and fourth line players who are gone off of all remaining teams. Players like Darcy Tucker.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 3, 2004 18:44:51 GMT -5
I see the NHL adopting a soft cap, like the NBA. Which I don't mind seeing. Though I would like to see restricted free agency banished that way it would eliminating teams bidding for players like what happened to us when chicago made an offer for K. Tkachuck, we eventually matched it though. Myself I would like to see the NHL headquaters control all contracts that are signed (and not the teams) that way it would also eliminate another bidding war. Or perhaps have all contracts paid to what you have achieved like golf and come playoff time the players would get a mega bonus if the team reaches the playoffs the furthur they go into the rounds of the playoffs the more they get paid.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 4, 2004 13:42:37 GMT -5
I don't believe the league and NHLPA have really made a special and unique cba that only works for the NHL. Rather copying cba from the NFL and NBA why don't they amalgamate all these ideas and then some to make this league the way it used to be and even better. How about merge a few of these proposals all together as one. A HARD/SOFT SALARY CAP Where the league would arbitrarily set a salary cap to which all teams, no matter how economically successful, would adhere. A soft cap would waive a player(s) who has been with the team for as long as 5yrs the player salary wouldn't be included in the cap and this would encourage teams on building a team rather than sign players left and right like the yankees do. A PERFORMANCE-BASED SALARY Where a player's salary would be tied to objective criteria, such as goals scored or minutes played, as well as on individual and team performance. Like golf. Pay the player for what he has done and not what he is gonna do. A PAYROLL RANGE SYSTEM Where teams can spend within a negotiated range of payrolls. According to league revenues like the NFL CENTRALIZED NEGOTIATION OF PLAYER CONTRACTS Where a league-appointed official would negotiate individual contracts, rather than having individual teams trying to outbid one another, which has resulted in exorbitant rises in player salaries. A PLAYER PARTNERSHIP PAYROLL PLAN Where a player would receive compensation based on a negotiated number of payroll units set out for individual teams. The payroll could be supplemented by playoff bonuses. A player getting a major bonus per playoff round would make teams more successfull SALARY SLOTTING SYSTEM Where each team would get a designated salary slot with which to negotiate individual player salaries. This would eliminate a player like Bobby Holik and Martin Lapointe making what a super stars makes in the mega millions. I for one want the season scrapped, this will quickly fuel the departure of southern based american teams, rather dragging this Bettman south east american expansion disaster experiment any longer. [glow=red,2,300]GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS.[/glow]
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