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Post by hawker14 on Jan 22, 2006 17:06:35 GMT -5
How many outdoor hockey rinks in Houston? Oh yeah.... ZEROno they don't....but houston can afford $150 dollar ticket prices compared to cheap winnipeg... an unproven nhl market like houston, a market that lost an nfl franchise, will pay three-four times the nhl average for tickets ?? wow, then the nhl should definitely be in houston. give'em four or five teams.
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 22, 2006 17:22:19 GMT -5
How many outdoor hockey rinks in Houston? Oh yeah.... ZEROno they don't....but houston can afford $150 dollar ticket prices compared to cheap winnipeg... i dont see how. a union electrician in the peg makes 10 more per hour than a union electrician in houston.i'm sure it 's the same or close across the board.yes there is big corporate there. but the regular guy is not as well paid as you think.
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 22, 2006 17:23:58 GMT -5
oops. minus exchange rate so 8 $ more per hour.
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Post by sawchuk103 on Jan 22, 2006 17:26:38 GMT -5
that is how the NHL works these days....big corporate money is needed in order for the NHL to survive..
to pay the big salaries and to pay for other costs...you need corporate money and affluent fan base just to make it....
also its more cheaper doing business in the US compared to canada.....
an US owner in an non traditional hockey market can still make a profit with an average attendance of 10,000 a night compared to a small market owner (winnipeg) who might be in the red with 15,000 people selling out everynight without corporate money and without affluent, upper income fan base....
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Post by hawker14 on Jan 22, 2006 17:31:14 GMT -5
that is how the NHL works these days....big corporate money is needed in order for the NHL to survive.. to pay the big salaries and to pay for other costs...you need corporate money and affluent fan base just to make it.... also its more cheaper doing business in the US compared to canada..... an US owner in an non traditional hockey market can still make a profit with an average attendance of 10,000 a night compared to a small market owner (winnipeg) who might be in the red with 15,000 people selling out everynight without corporate money and without affluent, upper income fan base.... the nhl isn't a porsche or a ferrari. it's a snowmobile that is only wanted by a certain market. you know what you get when you have 3 million people who don't like hockey ? you get the next great NHL relocation idea. please. btw, i'm intrigued about the profits that were made by your low "10,000 attendance" figure in US in the past ten years. please share
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Post by sawchuk103 on Jan 22, 2006 17:59:02 GMT -5
that is how the NHL works these days....big corporate money is needed in order for the NHL to survive.. to pay the big salaries and to pay for other costs...you need corporate money and affluent fan base just to make it.... also its more cheaper doing business in the US compared to canada..... an US owner in an non traditional hockey market can still make a profit with an average attendance of 10,000 a night compared to a small market owner (winnipeg) who might be in the red with 15,000 people selling out everynight without corporate money and without affluent, upper income fan base.... the nhl isn't a porsche or a ferrari. it's a snowmobile that is only wanted by a certain market. you know what you get when you have 3 million people who don't like hockey ? you get the next great NHL relocation idea. please. btw, i'm intrigued about the profits that were made by your low "10,000 attendance" figure in US in the past ten years. please share u must know that the nhl is an "american" based sports corporation.....just like the nfl, nba...etc... it cares about american dollars....it cares about american markets....because thats how the nhl makes it money...even though hockey is basically a canadian based sport...... it would make common sense if canada had there own "nhl"...a strictly based canadian professional hockey which includes "hockey mad" cities such as winnipeg, quebec...etc......a hockey version of the cfl perhaps....
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Post by hawker14 on Jan 22, 2006 18:03:45 GMT -5
the most profitable franchise is canadian.
the highest losses belong to certain us franchises.
as a business, the nhl needs to be where it works, not where "widgets and windex" business plans tell it to be.
just ask steve ellman how well the nhl worked for him.
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Post by sawchuk103 on Jan 22, 2006 18:32:56 GMT -5
toronto is considered to be "profitable" due to its large market status, corporate support, and affluent fan base...
i'm talking about populations less than a million that struggling cities in winnipeg, quebec...etc.....which don't have the demographics like a toronto, or vancouver etc...
we'll see if the US franchises will lose money after this season is over and those US franchises will open the books to see if they made a profit or loss...
i read the caps will lose $5 mil this year, however the owner was quite confident that the caps will break even next year and the value of caps will increase over time....
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Post by hawker14 on Jan 22, 2006 19:11:29 GMT -5
so the nba will succeed in vancouver and major league baseball will work in montreal because of demographics and population ?
hockey works in canada. winnipeg has 1) a better grossing arena & 2) a CBA giving all teams a legitimate chance at being competitive.
all 48 of the mts centre's luxury boxes are sold out - between $ 35-45,000/year. is it that unrealistic that corporate support couldn't pay three times this amount here ? if the suites weren't sold out, you would have an argument, but they are.
the jets will return, face it. even if you don't like it, hockey works better in winter markets than it ever will in miami.
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Post by wagner3 on Jan 22, 2006 20:59:07 GMT -5
I think he luxury suites are bringing a lot more than that already...check your figures
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Post by garydare on Jan 23, 2006 0:30:38 GMT -5
How much are the luxury boxes at the MTS Centre? It's nice to hear that all 50 are sold but they did seem a bit smallish compared to the ones that I've seen at United Center and the Rose Garden in Portland, Oregon. The Rose Garden boxes include a kitchenette and a private bathroom.
The down side: a third of the Rose Garden's boxes remain unsold. In the best of times under Paul Allen, they still had 20% sitting dark. The new owners, PAMCO, have been trying to market single night rentals and time shares but that's one step forward and one step back, as they are only tracking cancellations. In the case of Pittsburgh, I wonder who will buy the boxes that Mario says are needed, since PDX has one third unsold in a young (one of the few areas in the US where the 25-49 demographic slice increased) and growing (but not as fast as anticipated during the tech bubble) region while Pittsburgh is a dying one - among the oldest populations in America and losing company headquarters.
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Post by sawchuk103 on Jan 23, 2006 15:27:18 GMT -5
so the nba will succeed in vancouver and major league baseball will work in montreal because of demographics and population ? hockey works in canada. winnipeg has 1) a better grossing arena & 2) a CBA giving all teams a legitimate chance at being competitive. all 48 of the mts centre's luxury boxes are sold out - between $ 35-45,000/year. is it that unrealistic that corporate support couldn't pay three times this amount here ? if the suites weren't sold out, you would have an argument, but they are. the jets will return, face it. even if you don't like it, hockey works better in winter markets than it ever will in miami. yes hockey works better in winter markets..fan wise...but it might be financial sucide....
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 23, 2006 15:59:51 GMT -5
It'll only be financial suicide if they don't have the fan base and cooperate support but obviously Winnipeg wont have a problem with that.
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Post by sawchuk103 on Jan 23, 2006 17:13:06 GMT -5
It'll only be financial suicide if they don't have the fan base and cooperate support but obviously Winnipeg wont have a problem with that. we'll see...
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