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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 12:55:21 GMT -5
How many of these teams get 15,015-15,500 people who all paid for their ticket, all paid FULL PRICE, and showed up, sat in their seat, and watched the game?
Carolina
Buffalo
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
New Jersey
Florida
NY Islanders
Washington
Pittsburgh
Nashville
Anaheim
Phoenix
St. Louis
Chicago
My personal opinion? MAYBE Buffalo and Pittsburgh- now and then.
See how I say Wpg can potentially make more revenue than 10-14 NHL teams??
Now you see why I think Winnipeg will NOT be a small market NHL team- despite what Chipman or anyone else says.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 18, 2006 13:05:25 GMT -5
Anytime Detroit visits Chicago, they for sure will get that, I don't see Chicago ever discounting any tickets.
I also say Pittsburgh and yes even Tampa Bay.
St. Louis should as well if they weren't such a mess.
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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 13:08:13 GMT -5
Chicago VS "the original 6" probably draw well. But for the rest of the games? Forget it!
Tampa getting 15,000 who paid full price and went to the arena? I highly, highly doubt it.
St. Louis IF they weren't a mess, but they are. And will be for the foreseeable future. Too bad too, since that's a great sports city.
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Post by USApegger on Jan 18, 2006 13:13:33 GMT -5
I understand what your point is to this thread, teams that would have higher ticket revenue than where they are now.
No way Chicago is going anywhere or St. Louis and I think Tampa Bay is safe.
The rest, who knows, they all have potential to relocate
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Post by jamiebez on Jan 18, 2006 14:49:16 GMT -5
"Official" attendance from ESPN.com: 2 Tampa Bay 20,672 18 Pittsburgh 16,232 19 Florida 16,142 20 Buffalo 15,341 21 Atlanta 15,245 22 Phoenix 15,145 23 Chicago 14,684 24 Carolina 14,522 25 St. Louis 14,076 26 Nashville 13,982 27 New Jersey 13,796 28 Anaheim 13,788 29 NY Islanders 12,962 30 Washington 12,829 Tampa, guaranteed, gets 15,000. You can't fake 5,000 people I'd say Pittsburgh and Buffalo are doing close to what's advertised here. But it doesn't matter - Winnipeg would be a small market in the NHL. There's far more to it than just attendance. Of the cities you listed, I'd say Winnipeg is capable of generating more revenue than Carolina, Atlanta, Florida, Nashville, and Phoenix. Probably Anaheim, too. That leaves us 23rd out of 30 teams in revenue.
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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 15:52:17 GMT -5
Could you people STOP posting these stupid "announced" attendance figures! Jeez!
It's all a lie.
And as far as Tampa goes, I'm pretty sure there are 10,000 empty seats for most games- even IF attendance is "announced" at 20,000. I'm very certain of that in fact.
And Jamie, you didn't even EXPLAIN why Winnipeg will be a "small market" in the NHL, so I assume you HAVE no reason to think that. Perhaps you're yet another 'Pegger with the "inferiority complex" who thinks this is "crappy little Winnipeg".
No shortage of THOSE types here!
Re-read my original post. HOW MANY of those cities get 15,015-15,500 people who paid for their ticket, paid full price, and went to the game?? Tampa?! No freakin' way.
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Post by toeblake on Jan 18, 2006 16:17:32 GMT -5
i've been to games in Tampa Bay and they had decent crowds. i don't think they are moving anytime soon. i was actually surprised at how knowledgable the people around me were about the game. New Jersey on the other hand, brutal crowds this year. anytime I've seen them play on TV I can't believe how many empty seats. That is disgusting support for a 3 time Stanley Cup champion team in the past 10 years.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 18, 2006 16:20:49 GMT -5
Could you people STOP posting these stupid "announced" attendance figures! Jeez! It's all a lie. Speaking of lies, you're a fraud. Some messiah you became... lying to your loyal readers. I will never believe anything you post ever again.
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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 16:23:42 GMT -5
Ask me if I care
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 18, 2006 16:24:46 GMT -5
Lol well you should if you want to maintain credibility. So many useless posts you make because you have no backing. Only conspiracy theories and whatever you can think up in that old head of yours.
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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 16:28:04 GMT -5
What have I said that you'd like me to provide "backing" for? Be specific- you haven't asked for ANYTHING.
I love how VAGUE my critics are.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 18, 2006 16:33:38 GMT -5
I love how vague you are! Chipman is standing in our way even tho he's done nothing..(link?) NJ had 5000 fans last night (link?) I am the best ever (link?) I am bigger than the board itself! Yes, I did flame you, the same way you flame me.
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Post by jason on Jan 18, 2006 16:37:52 GMT -5
Where did I say "Chipman is standing in the way"? LIAR! Where did I say "NJ got 5,000 for a game"? LIAR!
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Post by toeblake on Jan 18, 2006 16:45:12 GMT -5
let's not argue, let's discuss the empty seats in the industrial wastelands of New Jersey instead. i wonder if there any bodies buried by the mob under the arena?
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 18, 2006 20:17:07 GMT -5
yeah about 6000 of them who would otherwise be attending devils games.
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Post by WPGISNHL on Jan 18, 2006 22:38:33 GMT -5
Where did I say "Chipman is standing in the way"? LIAR! Where did I say "NJ got 5,000 for a game"? LIAR! The other poster is right....not a liar! BT Quote: I said he could potentially be a roadblock. Still could be too………I'll never believe that men who want renovated Wpg. arenas that seat 11,000……truly and sincerely want the Jets back in Winnipeg!!!! BT Quote: How many people actually AT the arena? I'd bet on 5,000 BT Quote: 10,000 ANNOUNCED. Likely only 6,000 actually THERE.
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 18, 2006 23:18:04 GMT -5
The point all of you are missing is this. How many hear would have built a new arena when the Jets were here in 96? I mean realistically what person would build an arena when salaries were so high it didn't matter if we had 20 Asper's here. The point is no one could make money without the new CBA. Now that there is an equally playing field a NHL team in Winnipeg would do great. It makes financially sense to have an NHL team in this city as compared to the 90's. We have all the pieces in place now it's just wait and see who becomes available.
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Post by jetbloodisback on Jan 18, 2006 23:20:31 GMT -5
In 1996 15 000 plus sold out every night still would not be profitable. Now that it's fixed and we can become profitable Mark will do everything he can to get a team back here because he knows they will make money. He's not a stupid Business man by any means.
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Post by jamiebez on Jan 19, 2006 15:24:11 GMT -5
Could you people STOP posting these stupid "announced" attendance figures! Jeez! It's all a lie. And as far as Tampa goes, I'm pretty sure there are 10,000 empty seats for most games- even IF attendance is "announced" at 20,000. I'm very certain of that in fact. And Jamie, you didn't even EXPLAIN why Winnipeg will be a "small market" in the NHL, so I assume you HAVE no reason to think that. Perhaps you're yet another 'Pegger with the "inferiority complex" who thinks this is "crappy little Winnipeg". No shortage of THOSE types here! Re-read my original post. HOW MANY of those cities get 15,015-15,500 people who paid for their ticket, paid full price, and went to the game?? Tampa?! No freakin' way. I have Center Ice, so I've seen a lot of games from elsewhere around the league. I'd agree with you about suspicious announced attendance from Atlanta, Carolina, Jersey, etc, but that building in Tampa is legit PACKED every game I've seen from there. Why are we a small market? Because we'll make less money than most teams in the league. Simple as that (and PS: I live in Ottawa ) Some examples: - the Islanders and Devils both make about $10-15US from their TV deal. This is 2-3 times what Edmonton, Ottawa, Calgary, etc make off their TV deals. Don't even get me started on Toronto, the Rangers, etc - the United Center has 210 luxury suites All sold. Like I said, we'll do better than Carolina, Atlanta, etc, but let's be realistic, we will be in the smallest arena in the league no matter what. Edmonton was 28th in revenues according to Forbes. That will change this year, but I can't see us ever doing better than about 24th/25th. Don't worry, it will be plenty enough to support a team ;D But it's still a small market by anyone's definition but yours.
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Post by jeffrey93 on Jan 20, 2006 10:54:32 GMT -5
This is the dumbest logic ever.
These teams all suck financially...so we can have a team that sucks financially too!
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