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Post by Ducky on Dec 19, 2004 23:07:14 GMT -5
Anaheim relocating to Seattle or Portland only makes sense doesn't it?
Anaheim always has trouble getting fan support in a nice arena and as always they are still sale. Since Anaheim is in the pacific division seattle can easily fit in that division and thus make a great rival with vancouver.
To my knowledge Seattle was a stanley cup final twice way back in the black and white days and do this day that city still supports the T-Birds of the WHL.
On the other hand Portland is another suitable candidate for relocation (at one time Bill Gates was considering purchasing a team but I guess when he saw what the current cba look like it probably scared him away) they do however have a top notch arena that now houses the Trail Blazers of the NBA. They also do support there AHL team the Pirates (in a seperate arena though).
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Post by 3lackThorne on Dec 19, 2004 23:16:17 GMT -5
Vancouver won't like Seattle in the NHL. They're too close.
Why can't Anaheim move to Wpg? I hear the owners are desperate to sell...
And the L.A. Clippers could play at the "Pond" afterwards... so the arena wouldn't sit empty.
It's kinda stupid to have the Lakers AND the Clippers playing at the Staples Center anyways in my opinion....
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Post by vivianmb on Dec 20, 2004 14:50:18 GMT -5
the ahl pirates play in portland,MAINE.I guess moving the ducks to portland,oregon would eliminate one potential competitor city. but why dont they look to WINNIPEG,or fold.the whole "mighty "ducks thing has been an embarrassment since the team began.folding them (or at least getting rid of disney and their cheesy "mighty"name) would be a step in the right direction.of course moving them to the Peg and renaming them the JETS would be better.
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Post by jets4life on Dec 21, 2004 1:09:41 GMT -5
Porland and Seattle will not get any NHL team, anytime soon, as long as the lack of interest (owner-wise) exists. Seattle's Key West Arena owner has stated that he built the arena for NBA basketball only. Portland's Paul Allen, a billionaire, contemplated getting a team in Portland, but after investigation, he decided it was not worth it. Right now, the three US cities most likely to acquire a team through relocation are Houston, Kansas City, and Oklahoma City. In Canada it's Winnipeg!source: www.geocities.com/nhlexpandrelocate/prospectcities.html
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Post by dreamcatcher on Dec 21, 2004 12:10:58 GMT -5
Nice link my friend. Still bothers me alot to read Bettmans Feb. 2004 comments. Funny how people change their tune as time goes by doesn't it?
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Post by CaptainRon on Dec 21, 2004 13:42:18 GMT -5
How has Bettman changed his tune recently? The only comments I heard him say were the ones on the CBC during his interview with Peter Mansbridge about the possbility of Winnipeg getting a team if the CBA is worked out. But I'm sure that he gave that answer because it's the answer we wanted to hear and the fact that at the time we wanted public approval for the lockout. He wanted to look like the good guy..
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Post by jets4life on Dec 21, 2004 13:47:36 GMT -5
How has Bettman changed his tune recently? The only comments I heard him say were the ones on the CBC during his interview with Peter Mansbridge about the possbility of Winnipeg getting a team if the CBA is worked out. But I'm sure that he gave that answer because it's the answer we wanted to hear and the fact that at the time we wanted public approval for the lockout. He wanted to look like the good guy.. I disagree. Until last year, Bettman would not even discuss the possibility of the Jets returning. However, since the end of last season. it seems he has had a legitimate change of heart. He has stopped short of saying the "Sun-Belt Experiment" was a failure. However, that combined with the fact that he is now saying things like "it was a tragedy when Winnipeg lost it's NHL team, and "If a favorable CBA is worked out, I would not rule out Winnipeg returning to the NHL" speaks volumes. I'm sure Bettman is kicking himself, now that reality has set in, and he realizes hockey is a regional sport in the US, and the NHL needs Canada, more than Canada needs the NHL.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 21, 2004 19:56:30 GMT -5
Porland and Seattle will not get any NHL team, anytime soon, as long as the lack of interest (owner-wise) exists. Seattle's Key West Arena owner has stated that he built the arena for NBA basketball only. Portland's Paul Allen, a billionaire, contemplated getting a team in Portland, but after investigation, he decided it was not worth it. Right now, the three US cities most likely to acquire a team through relocation are Houston, Kansas City, and Oklahoma City. In Canada it's Winnipeg!source: www.geocities.com/nhlexpandrelocate/prospectcities.htmlI totally disagree with you, as if Kansas city and Oklahoma city would care to have an NHL franchise it would just add to the many mistakes Bettman did in south east coast, why put hockey in non hockey markets. Having Seattle or Portland is only natural to have in the NHL to make a natural rivalry with Vancouver. I agree however that houston will get a franchise due to the fact its the 4th largest city in the states, one would think one can draw some new hockey fans in that big market and it would make a great rival to the dallas stars. And by the way Kansas City once had a team in the NHL from 1974-76 and it folded and relocated to colorado then to New Jersey. read the story about the former kansas city scouts franchise through this link: www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/kansascity/kcscouts.html
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Post by jets4ever on Dec 21, 2004 21:24:00 GMT -5
Anaheim relocating to Seattle or Portland only makes sense doesn't it? Or, the Ducks could relocate in Winnipeg. And, the Moose could move to either Seattle or Portland. This would make Vancouver happier, anyway. Along with everyone in Winnipeg.
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Post by jets4life on Dec 22, 2004 1:25:55 GMT -5
I totally disagree with you, as if Kansas city and Oklahoma city would care to have an NHL franchise it would just add to the many mistakes Bettman did in south east coast, why put hockey in non hockey markets You misunderstood my post. I never said I supported NHL hockey in KC or Oklahoma City. I was just stating the fact that KC and Oklahoma city are 2 of the 3 teams most likely to get a franchise as of this date. You can only disagree with someone if it is their opinion, and my opinion is Winnipeg should be first in line for a NHL team. PS: I know about the Kansas City Scouts. They played in the NHL from 1974-76 before sparse crowds. They were horrible on and off the ice, as the city never supported the team. They ended up relocating to Denver, and becoming the Colorado Rockies.
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Post by SEA on Dec 24, 2004 4:00:02 GMT -5
To reiterate one post earlier, Seattle cannot get an NHL team. The Seattle Supersonics owner made sure of that when the city remodeled Key Arena (home of the NBA) such that hockey can't fit in the arena. The Seattle Thunderbirds of the WHL play in the building but have a good deal of the seats folded away (similar to the metrodome in Minneapolis for baseball) to fit in the rink... not an acceptable situation for NHL arenas. In addition to the seat situation, the view sucks in there for hockey, it's a very flat bowl arena. Considering Seattle taxpayers recently footed the bill for a new baseball stadium and NFL stadium in the past 5 years, a new arena for the NBA/NHL isn't going to go over very well.
Paul Allen of Microsoft and Portland Trailblazers owner has toyed for years to get a NHL team in Portland. The relatively new arena in Portland, the Rose Garden, is a very nice facility and would be great for hockey. Currently the Portland Winterhawks of the WHL split their season between old crusty Memorial Arena and the Rose Garden in Portland.
Oh... and I think more importantly, Seattle is a hockey dud of a town. I moved from Michigan about 10 years ago and have been in withdrawal every since. They recently added a new WHL team in Everett, WA (Everett Silvertips, about 25 miles north of Seattle) in a new and very nice arena but it only holds 8500 or so. Both the Silvertips and Seattle Thunderbirds have had some trouble drawing... more so in the case of the Thunderbirds... Everett has done fairly well but sellouts aren't common and the average draw is about 5-6500 fans even on weekends.
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Post by vivianmb on Dec 24, 2004 10:02:14 GMT -5
well thats another competitor city in the rearview.it looks like the road leads to WINNIPEG.
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Post by Ducky on Dec 24, 2004 12:54:44 GMT -5
thanx for the corrrection vivian. I didn't realize there are so many portland in the states like there are springfields, lol. Admittingly I was getting paranoid when I remembered the rumors about either city looking into getting a team, especially when the name paul allen comes up
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Post by vivianmb on Jan 1, 2005 18:29:17 GMT -5
yeah ducky (cool name ) maybe we could relocate HIM to winnipeg and he'll get us a team !
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Post by Doolox on Jan 12, 2005 11:46:44 GMT -5
To my knowledge Seattle was a stanley cup final twice way back in the black and white days and do this day that city still supports the T-Birds of the WHL. I can't see Seattle arriving, ever if they ever got a new rink. Look at what happened with the Grizzlies and Sonics being so close in the NBA. With the Canucks around, a Seattle team would look like Buffalo feeding off of whatever CDN support it can get.
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Post by dreamcatcher on Jan 14, 2005 11:30:39 GMT -5
The first teams in line for relocation, will be those with buildings. That would make Winnipeg and Houston front runners.
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Post by AO8/EM71 on Jan 14, 2005 15:13:00 GMT -5
Ewwwwwww Houston... why are we moving all these teams instead of just demolishing them? Sure move one the Winnipeg, one to Hartford and maybe to Hamilton or some other place like that.. but Houston? Portland? Seattle!? Come on man, that's just asking for disaster to strike again!
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Post by Ducky on Jan 14, 2005 19:39:57 GMT -5
Ewwwwwww Houston... why are we moving all these teams instead of just demolishing them? Sure move one the Winnipeg, one to Hartford and maybe to Hamilton or some other place like that.. but Houston? Portland? Seattle!? Come on man, that's just asking for disaster to strike again! I am not too sure about hartford but is Quebec a posibility. And why is everyone dismissing Seattle it is afterall a city known to have snow and hockey?
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Post by wreckage on Jan 15, 2005 8:36:54 GMT -5
I'd like to think Seattle would be a good option, but its just too close to Vancouver. Look at the success a team usually has in its inaugural season and few there after (Av's not included). Would these people that are hockey fans in that area want to pay more to go see a team lose more often than not, or travel a little more to go see one that has a legitimate chance of winning? Not a fan of the 'nucks, never have been nor will I likely ever be, but I will concede that they have a good team, and with Bert in the lineup last season they would've had a legitmate shot of making the finals. I know if I could travel 2-3 hours to see a good team play (Costing me 80c to the dollar) instead of traveling 30-45 minutes to watch a mediocre team play (at a flat rate) I'd opt for the first choice. And hell I didn't even add in the beer to beer flavored water ratio.
In my opinion, tho it doesn't matter much to those that make the leagues executive desisions the list should look more like this 1. Winnipeg. 2/3. Houston/ Portland, OR. 4/5 Quebec/ Hamilton. 6. Hartford. 7. Milwalkee 8. KC. 9. Cinci 10. Vegas/Seattle.
Did anyone see Sportsnet last nite while PrimeTime with McCown and crew were on? They really promoted the thought of Winnipeg gettin a team back. The ball is really startin to roll. They actually talked about a few of the teams mentioned above, it was kinda interesting.
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Post by KillerBrew on Jan 15, 2005 19:29:30 GMT -5
Did anyone see Sportsnet last nite while PrimeTime with McCown and crew were on? They really promoted the thought of Winnipeg gettin a team back. The ball is really startin to roll. They actually talked about a few of the teams mentioned above, it was kinda interesting. I watch that show all the time. When they we're talking about relocation/folding of teams they mentioned Winnipeg, and I waited for one of them just to shoot it down and they all agreed Winnipeg will get a team if/when relocation happens. That made my day.
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