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Post by mrconfusion87 on Aug 4, 2011 20:22:19 GMT -5
Saskatchewan has 5 WHL teams, whereas Manitoba only ahs one. Yet which was the better NHL market? Saskatchewan's biggest city is about 1/3 the size of Winnipeg. Your analogy fails. Until either of Saskatchewan's major cities would double in population and economic base, them getting a team is out of the question! |
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Post by Douggy-D on Aug 4, 2011 22:08:25 GMT -5
Saskatchewan's biggest city is about 1/3 the size of Winnipeg. Your analogy fails. Until either of Saskatchewan's major cities would double in population and economic base, them getting a team is out of the question! Exactly. |
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Post by mig29fulcrum on Aug 4, 2011 23:19:23 GMT -5
Phoenix to Quebec City. I think it's probably the only real option right now. KC and Houston both have NHL ready arenas, but no interested owners. Seattle has neither. And I don't think Hamilton is getting an NHL team very soon. Not if the Leafs have anything to say about it. That and RIM isn't doing very well right now and just laid off 2000 people. If QC can get their butts in gear and build that arena, the NHL will soon also be making its way back.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 5, 2011 0:26:59 GMT -5
Saskatchewan's biggest city is about 1/3 the size of Winnipeg. Your analogy fails. Until either of Saskatchewan's major cities would double in population and economic base, them getting a team is out of the question! The biggest city in Saskatchewan is Saskatoon. As of July 2010 the estimated population was 265,259. If the population doubled it would only be 530,518. Still not enough for a team. It would have to at least triple to 795,777 to have a shot. The current smallest NHL market is Winnipeg with around 750,000 give or take. Winnipeg is currently growing around 10,000 people a year. By the time Saskatoon triples the bottom floor in terms of population may be a lot higher then it is currently now for having a team. By the time Saskatoon is ready for a team the sun will have burnt out. I think the odds of the Phoenix Coyotes becoming the top revenue producing team in the NHL in Glendale are better than Saskatoon getting a team. |
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Post by jetsorbust on Aug 5, 2011 8:15:01 GMT -5
Until either of Saskatchewan's major cities would double in population and economic base, them getting a team is out of the question! The biggest city in Saskatchewan is Saskatoon. As of July 2010 the estimated population was 265,259. If the population doubled it would only be 530,518. Still not enough for a team. It would have to at least triple to 795,777 to have a shot. The current smallest NHL market is Winnipeg with around 750,000 give or take. Winnipeg is currently growing around 10,000 people a year. By the time Saskatoon triples the bottom floor in terms of population may be a lot higher then it is currently now for having a team. By the time Saskatoon is ready for a team the sun will have burnt out. I think the odds of the Phoenix Coyotes becoming the top revenue producing team in the NHL in Glendale are better than Saskatoon getting a team. Let's not go nuts! I get your point, and I agree. But Phoenix is the scurge of the hockey world, and I guarantee SK could lose less money than Gongdale. PS: Phoenix sucks! |
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Post by ReJ40 on Aug 5, 2011 9:42:29 GMT -5
Saskatoon is not ideal, but would not really be as bad as some people think...
According to TSN, a CFL team at 9 home games can generate 9 million dollars/year in revenue (and if anyone can generate 10-12 million it's probably Saskatchewan). In comparison, the Phoenix Coyotes, in the NHL and with 41 home games, generated ~12.4 million i believe in '09? Can't find the link anymore.... but that's crazy.
Also, a place like Saskatoon would lose their minds over the NHL if by some miracle they get a team. Every man and his dog would do whatever it took to get tickets. I think it would actually be a reasonable franchise AT FIRST.
So.... I don't think Saskatoon would be a money-maker... but would still sure as hell be better than Phoenix. So... based on that I believe that a tiny canadian town of 260,000 people can be more profitable than big, 4.5 million Phoenix!
You can't underestimate the intensity of hockey love in Canada... versus the extreme disinterest in the Southern US...
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Post by Douggy-D on Aug 5, 2011 20:56:22 GMT -5
Just curious, what is the growth rate of Saskatoon in percentage?? If they gain 10K people a year, they won't be big enough for an NHL team in another 45-50 years. Oh yeah, and about the post above me, I believe that Phoenix generated about 18 million in ticket revenue in 2009, I don't know about how much they got in season tickets though.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 5, 2011 22:13:31 GMT -5
Saskatoon is not ideal, but would not really be as bad as some people think... According to TSN, a CFL team at 9 home games can generate 9 million dollars/year in revenue (and if anyone can generate 10-12 million it's probably Saskatchewan). In comparison, the Phoenix Coyotes, in the NHL and with 41 home games, generated ~12.4 million i believe in '09? Can't find the link anymore.... but that's crazy. Also, a place like Saskatoon would lose their minds over the NHL if by some miracle they get a team. Every man and his dog would do whatever it took to get tickets. I think it would actually be a reasonable franchise AT FIRST. So.... I don't think Saskatoon would be a money-maker... but would still sure as hell be better than Phoenix. So... based on that I believe that a tiny canadian town of 260,000 people can be more profitable than big, 4.5 million Phoenix! You can't underestimate the intensity of hockey love in Canada... versus the extreme disinterest in the Southern US... I agree it makes sense, prolly won't happen but I would not mind at all if it did. |
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 6, 2011 6:14:05 GMT -5
The biggest city in Saskatchewan is Saskatoon. As of July 2010 the estimated population was 265,259. If the population doubled it would only be 530,518. Still not enough for a team. It would have to at least triple to 795,777 to have a shot. The current smallest NHL market is Winnipeg with around 750,000 give or take. Winnipeg is currently growing around 10,000 people a year. By the time Saskatoon triples the bottom floor in terms of population may be a lot higher then it is currently now for having a team. By the time Saskatoon is ready for a team the sun will have burnt out. I think the odds of the Phoenix Coyotes becoming the top revenue producing team in the NHL in Glendale are better than Saskatoon getting a team. Let's not go nuts! I get your point, and I agree. But Phoenix is the scurge of the hockey world, and I guarantee SK could lose less money than Gongdale. PS: Phoenix sucks! I agree on Phoenix sucking for hockey and being the scurge of the league but i'm certain SK would be much worse. Its smaller than Green Bay by about 41,000 people. Playing a sport with 41 home games would be a disaster. If you had a 15,000 seat arena to sell out you'd need 5.5 percent of the population to be at the game everynight. I'd take my chances with Phoenix and that somehow hockey could catch on than go to a city this small. Whats next putting a team in the Yukon territory? |
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 6, 2011 6:22:39 GMT -5
Saskatoon is not ideal, but would not really be as bad as some people think... According to TSN, a CFL team at 9 home games can generate 9 million dollars/year in revenue (and if anyone can generate 10-12 million it's probably Saskatchewan). In comparison, the Phoenix Coyotes, in the NHL and with 41 home games, generated ~12.4 million i believe in '09? Can't find the link anymore.... but that's crazy. Also, a place like Saskatoon would lose their minds over the NHL if by some miracle they get a team. Every man and his dog would do whatever it took to get tickets. I think it would actually be a reasonable franchise AT FIRST. So.... I don't think Saskatoon would be a money-maker... but would still sure as hell be better than Phoenix. So... based on that I believe that a tiny canadian town of 260,000 people can be more profitable than big, 4.5 million Phoenix! You can't underestimate the intensity of hockey love in Canada... versus the extreme disinterest in the Southern US... I don't underestimate the love of hockey in Canada even though i'm from Wisconsin. And yes Phoenix sucks bad. I was always pro Winnipeg once the MTS Centre was built, and i'm pro Quebec City as long as an arena is built and no one would be happier than me to see the Coyotes in QC next year. But you guys are getting way too carried away with your pro Canadian nationalism. Next you guys will be talking about moving strong northern US teams like the Blackhawks and Rangers to the Yukon since Canadians are such great fans. According to Forbes Phoenix made 67 million overall the season before last. I doubt SK could top that with such a low population. And having a city of 265,000 in any sport would be a black eye for the sport and make a joke out of hockey. It would make it seem like a minor league sport only for Canadians. |
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Post by Puckschmuck on Aug 6, 2011 12:49:55 GMT -5
Wait..........I'm confused. I thought this forum was done on August 5th (yesterday)?  |
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Post by Douggy-D on Aug 6, 2011 23:33:15 GMT -5
No team can do worse than Phoenix. Yeah, Saskatoon only has like 265,000 people, but they STILL have more hockey fans than Phoenix (That just shows how pathetic of a hockey town they are).
And that city would go crazy over an NHL team, if they got one. And Saskatoon is not smaller than Green Bay, GB has like 100K people. I know they can't support a team, but saying that they would do worse than Phoenix is just asinine.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 7, 2011 0:46:55 GMT -5
No team can do worse than Phoenix. Yeah, Saskatoon only has like 265,000 people, but they STILL have more hockey fans than Phoenix (That just shows how pathetic of a hockey town they are). And that city would go crazy over an NHL team, if they got one. And Saskatoon is not smaller than Green Bay, GB has like 100K people. I know they can't support a team, but saying that they would do worse than Phoenix is just asinine. Ya, thats easy to say because places like SK haven't gotten teams and never will. I don't care how crazy they would go, no one is in SK. Green Bay has 306,241 people. Your thinking of just the city size en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_AreasPhoenix sucks but at least they got some transplants etc and can average over 10,000 a game. Could SK even average over 10,000 people for a full season? All this is a moot point anyway. Hopefully Quebec City will stop the backbiting and get the arena done so the Coyotes can move there next season. |
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Post by Douggy-D on Aug 7, 2011 0:48:55 GMT -5
No team can do worse than Phoenix. Yeah, Saskatoon only has like 265,000 people, but they STILL have more hockey fans than Phoenix (That just shows how pathetic of a hockey town they are). And that city would go crazy over an NHL team, if they got one. And Saskatoon is not smaller than Green Bay, GB has like 100K people. I know they can't support a team, but saying that they would do worse than Phoenix is just asinine. Ya, thats easy to say because places like SK haven't gotten teams and never will. I don't care how crazy they would go, no one is in SK. Green Bay has 306,241 people. Your thinking of just the city size en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_AreasPhoenix sucks but at least they got some transplants etc and can average over 10,000 a game. Could SK even average over 10,000 people for a full season? All this is a moot point anyway. Hopefully Quebec City will stop the backbiting and get the arena done so the Coyotes can move there next season. PHX doesn't average over 10K. Need I remind you that their announced crowds are Go Jets Go and that they give away thousands of free tickets?? At least a Saskatoon team would have fans pay money for tix. |
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Post by Puckschmuck on Aug 7, 2011 13:03:24 GMT -5
Saskatoon will get a team in about 100 years when it is considered big enough by NHL standards. Until then, they are a WHL town.
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Post by Conky on Aug 7, 2011 18:35:29 GMT -5
WHO ARE YOU TO BASH SASKATOON?!?!?!?!just kidding it's a dump  in all honesty, Saskatoon's Metro Population is estimated to be 280,000 but more accurate numbers from the census will be released soon. In 2006 it was 230,000, that means 10k/year in growth. If Saskatoon wishes to grow in the next 25 years to the half million mark, they must attract big companies with big dollars. When technology makes it possible to extract the oil that lies deep within the crust of the earth, then we may see an Alberta-esque population explosion in Saskatoon. When that happens, richer folk move into town and then maybe we can afford the NHL. As for the NHL coming here, Credit Union Centre was built for that purpose 23 years ago. Every time you step in that building, you step back into the year 1994. In 6 or 7 years, watch the new arena talk begin. I hope this time around they build it downtown and not on the outskirts in the middle of nowhere. So for those who say Saskatoon has an NHL caliber arena, they may be correct, but it's getting old fast. Also, I don't know how we would afford it here. Have you been to Saskatoon before? Heres how it breaks down  In other words, no NHL for saskatoon. Source: life long resident of the toon
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Post by iliketherangers on Aug 7, 2011 20:40:35 GMT -5
the islanders are not moving, they will stay on long island. coyotes are moving, and probably to QC, assuming they get ahead with talks. If this arena thing starts to fail, hamilton will get a chance.
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Post by theclicker78 on Aug 8, 2011 10:22:48 GMT -5
Winnipeg to Houston Jk I hope Florida, Phoenix, Carolina, or Nashville move to Seattle, Hartford, Quebec, Portland. I've spent significant time in Portland and Seattle, neither city will support a NHL team. IMO. Both are great cities, but the passion for hockey is just not there. No one cared about soccer in Seattle either, except for a select few. Then we got a MLS team and average 36,000 per game. Portland is the same way. |
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Post by gilligan on Aug 8, 2011 10:38:29 GMT -5
Let's not go nuts! I get your point, and I agree. But Phoenix is the scurge of the hockey world, and I guarantee SK could lose less money than Gongdale. PS: Phoenix sucks! I agree on Phoenix sucking for hockey and being the scurge of the league but i'm certain SK would be much worse. Its smaller than Green Bay by about 41,000 people. Playing a sport with 41 home games would be a disaster. If you had a 15,000 seat arena to sell out you'd need 5.5 percent of the population to be at the game everynight. I'd take my chances with Phoenix and that somehow hockey could catch on than go to a city this small. Whats next putting a team in the Yukon territory? They do have a 15,000 seat arena. Though not one that could generate the revenues that an NHL team would want. Also, it is pretty much assured that they'd lose less money than the Coyotes are now. That is why Ice Edge wanted to move a few games from Phoenix to Saskatoon - to generate revenue! But being better than Phoenix doesn't mean that it is a good NHL market. There are a LOT of cities that'd be better NHL markets than Phoenix is right now. Places like Quebec City, Hamilton, Seattle, and even Houston would make a lot more sense, as they could conceivably be GOOD markets (in Hamilton's case, top 5), not just better than Phoenix. |
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Post by JimmyMann on Aug 8, 2011 12:11:19 GMT -5
Credit union Centre in Saskatoon seats 15 195 for hockey and has 44 corporate boxes. The team would draw from all of Saskatchewan. If the Jets have 8000 seats on a waiting list I don't doubt that Saskatoon could do it. Little Gary said that it is not the size of the market but the passion of the market. The negatives for Saskatoon sound like the naysayers for Winnipeg. no corporate support, city too small, arena too small and so on....... Keep the dream alive, NHL hockey in Saskatoon before Southern Ontario. www.creditunioncentre.com/seating.php |
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