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Post by postmanpat on Jun 5, 2011 19:20:06 GMT -5
Does someone have a link to the proposed $400 million arena? It's plans, seating, location, etc.?
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Post by selanne405 on Jun 5, 2011 19:41:25 GMT -5
With the new arena on the way QC's only real problem is availability. Clearly the COG is willing to do almost anything to keep the team and the NHL is all to willing to let them sell their city down the drain. The other problem is should they manage to sell the team with COG funding that means the team will be there for the long haul.
Im doing some digging for info related to the panthers possibly moving but nothing yet, but did you know they almost left around the same time the jets did? Never knew that.
I do believe the first available team to move will go to QC but that could be years and years.
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 6, 2011 4:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 6, 2011 4:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by dentifrice on Jun 6, 2011 6:45:11 GMT -5
missing some infos (a little outdated) The government will create a law to protect it in a "Bill Omnibus" which mean they don't need unanimity but only majority. The frustrated guy stops suing the city and now is going after the government because he says the law is not "legal". For this he needs to go the supreme court and it will take years. And of course for this he needs money he doesn't have so he raises a foundation.... Even if he wins in 6 years, he needs to go after the city again (now that the law can't protect the contract anymore). At this time the new Colisée will be built and probably already have a new team ....and the guy will have 80 years old (he's 72...) To be honnest, I think we're ok for the moment and for your info, this guy was at the city when the Nordiques left and the mayor tried absolutely nothing to save them |
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Post by iliketherangers on Jun 6, 2011 8:57:12 GMT -5
good question, surprised we haven't heard much considering their horrible fan base and lck of success. How are they making money? I bet something will come out from there very soon. Florida is consistently averaging around 15,500 attendance lately. Wouldn't exactly call that 'horrible'. Whether they're making money is another issue, average ticket price was just south of $50 this past season. www.viewfrommyseats.com/2010/08/nhl-ticket-prices/I heard from someone on the forum who went to a game, while he was on vacation. He said there were 4,000 people there at the most. I notice it on TV too. Their figures are so bloated it's a joke. |
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Post by postmanpat on Jun 6, 2011 10:13:41 GMT -5
I heard from someone on the forum who went to a game, while he was on vacation. He said there were 4,000 people there at the most. I notice it on TV too. Their figures are so bloated it's a joke. OT but Money talks in this case. While support may be meager, if there's enough people paying the money then it really doesn't matter. 15,500 people paying $48 per ticket still yields an average of $744,000 per game in gate revenues. Low attendance is only a problem once it affects revenue to the point where the franchise is facing a sea of red ink. Is there any indicating that the Panthers are in serious financial trouble at this point? |
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Post by gilligan on Jun 6, 2011 12:57:57 GMT -5
I heard from someone on the forum who went to a game, while he was on vacation. He said there were 4,000 people there at the most. I notice it on TV too. Their figures are so bloated it's a joke. OT but Money talks in this case. While support may be meager, if there's enough people paying the money then it really doesn't matter. 15,500 people paying $48 per ticket still yields an average of $744,000 per game in gate revenues. Low attendance is only a problem once it affects revenue to the point where the franchise is facing a sea of red ink. Is there any indicating that the Panthers are in serious financial trouble at this point? Plenty of indicators that they are losing money hand over fist. But so far no indications that the owners have a problem with that. Either they are being very quiet about it, or they can absorb the losses. |
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 6, 2011 21:43:48 GMT -5
missing some infos (a little outdated) The government will create a law to protect it in a "Bill Omnibus" which mean they don't need unanimity but only majority. The frustrated guy stops suing the city and now is going after the government because he says the law is not "legal". For this he needs to go the supreme court and it will take years. And of course for this he needs money he doesn't have so he raises a foundation.... Even if he wins in 6 years, he needs to go after the city again (now that the law can't protect the contract anymore). At this time the new Colisée will be built and probably already have a new team ....and the guy will have 80 years old (he's 72...) To be honnest, I think we're ok for the moment and for your info, this guy was at the city when the Nordiques left and the mayor tried absolutely nothing to save them Thanks for the updated info. I hope it works out for you guys. Phoenix is a joke. |
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 6, 2011 21:51:14 GMT -5
I heard from someone on the forum who went to a game, while he was on vacation. He said there were 4,000 people there at the most. I notice it on TV too. Their figures are so bloated it's a joke. OT but Money talks in this case. While support may be meager, if there's enough people paying the money then it really doesn't matter. 15,500 people paying $48 per ticket still yields an average of $744,000 per game in gate revenues. Low attendance is only a problem once it affects revenue to the point where the franchise is facing a sea of red ink. Is there any indicating that the Panthers are in serious financial trouble at this point? Here is a video on the financial health of the Panthers from Forbes.com They do have 10,000 season ticket holders for this season that was just completed. The new CEO has a 3 year business plan to make them stop losing money video.forbes.com/fvn/sportsmoney/yes-sportsmoney-flordia-panthersAlso check out last years Forbes franchise team values list. www.forbes.com/lists/2010/31/hockey-valuations-10_rank.htmlFlorida was number 22 in total value and 23rd in revenue. Not good but they are no Phoenix or Atlanta. They will stick it out unless things get a lot worse. The only teams that will move within a couple years are Phoenix for sure once the city counsil runs out of money and the New York Islanders if there arena vote failes August 1. Long term maybe a team like Florida will move but unless things get Atlanta like ugly Bettman and the NHL will stick it out. |
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Post by iliketherangers on Jun 6, 2011 21:58:22 GMT -5
10,000 season tiket holders? wow, I didn't know. I find it hard to beleive however, after consistently seeing half full arenas there.
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Post by matrix on Jun 7, 2011 7:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by trigger204 on Jun 7, 2011 8:20:26 GMT -5
Nords vs Jets.. I would probably cry..
just a lil.
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Post by Puckschmuck on Jun 7, 2011 14:47:37 GMT -5
What are the chances of the Habs being staunchly opposed to QC getting a team and eating up some of their revenue in La Belle Province?
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Post by smokey on Jun 7, 2011 15:32:25 GMT -5
en.remparts.qc.ca/page/boxofficeRemparts tickets are at most $14.50. Sorry to say it but CHL teams are on a much lower scale then AHL. Would be best to have an AHL team in Quebec City first to prove they can operate a minor league pro team. True North's NHL calibre style run AHL organization went a long way in securing an NHL team. Junior just doesn't cut it.
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Jun 7, 2011 15:41:42 GMT -5
en.remparts.qc.ca/page/boxofficeRemparts tickets are at most $14.50. Sorry to say it but CHL teams are on a much lower scale then AHL. Would be best to have an AHL team in Quebec City first to prove they can operate a minor league pro team. True North's NHL calibre style run AHL organization went a long way in securing an NHL team. Junior just doesn't cut it. would a canadiens farm team do well or bad, after all ours was vancouver I think Quebec should build a 15 - 16 000 ish seat arena and do EXACTLY what TN did |
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Post by smokey on Jun 7, 2011 15:53:36 GMT -5
en.remparts.qc.ca/page/boxofficeRemparts tickets are at most $14.50. Sorry to say it but CHL teams are on a much lower scale then AHL. Would be best to have an AHL team in Quebec City first to prove they can operate a minor league pro team. True North's NHL calibre style run AHL organization went a long way in securing an NHL team. Junior just doesn't cut it. would a canadiens farm team do well or bad, after all ours was vancouver I think Quebec should build a 15 - 16 000 ish seat arena and do EXACTLY what TN did Saying they draw 12,000 fans in CHL isn't a very good argument considering I could take my whole extended family to watch a game for less then the cost of 1 upper deck NHL ticket. (children under 5 get in for free!) That being said I have no doubt Quebec City would sell out like Winnipeg. Just have to prove that they have a qualified owner who can run a pro-team and a new arena. |
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Post by gilligan on Jun 7, 2011 16:34:36 GMT -5
would a canadiens farm team do well or bad, after all ours was vancouver I think Quebec should build a 15 - 16 000 ish seat arena and do EXACTLY what TN did Saying they draw 12,000 fans in CHL isn't a very good argument considering I could take my whole extended family to watch a game for less then the cost of 1 upper deck NHL ticket. (children under 5 get in for free!) That being said I have no doubt Quebec City would sell out like Winnipeg. Just have to prove that they have a qualified owner who can run a pro-team and a new arena. Sure the ticket prices are lower, but 12,000 for CHL is fantastic attendance. AHL tickets aren't NHL prices either, but being one of the top drawing AHL teams certainly helped TNSE. |
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 7, 2011 22:16:16 GMT -5
Ya, i was going to mention that. However even with that i don't think that Florida is moving for a while yet. They will stick it out another 5-10 years. Phoenix is going to Quebec City unless Quebec City absolutely chokes on building a new arena. With Quebec City and Winnipeg out of the picture finding a suitable place for a NHL team will be hard. Seattle has no arena, a Hamilton team would kill the Buffalo Sabres. |
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Post by Z on Jun 8, 2011 0:37:31 GMT -5
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