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Post by urlacher4778 on Jun 5, 2011 1:07:48 GMT -5
well how many years AFTER completion of an NHL caibure arena (MTSC) did we have to wait? like 8 years? i would say that they are gonna have a bit of a wait after they get their arena up and running
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Post by jetsnnordiquesfan on Jun 5, 2011 1:17:17 GMT -5
Their AHL team was not successful, and moved in the late 1990's. They have a successful QMJHL team. Winnipeg has opened the flood gates for expansion in more Canadian cities. Expect Quebec and Southern Ontario to be granted teams within the next three years. QC and Hamilton did not support their IHL/AHL teams, we did. Do the math. (QC will get a team, but the fact that they didn't get behind their pro team has delayed things... it means they still don't have a new rink.) THe reason why the IHL team failed in Quebec city is because they only drew 8000 fans per game the 2nd season, thanks to managers screwing over fans by trading all star players. During the first season the rafales averaged at 12000 fans per game. When attendance dropped to an 8000/game average, owners folded the team due to not doing the expected profits. The AHL team failed because they were affiliated with the Habs, which were hated even more in Quebec than the Canucks in Winnipeg (I think the 1984 Good Friday Brawl speaks for itself). I'M pretty sure Quebec could support a NHL team. After all, their attendance were higher than the Jets (by about 1000-1500), so if Winnipeg can sell out the entire season, I'M sure Quebec could. |
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Post by ghola on Jun 5, 2011 1:45:37 GMT -5
I say get an AHL team, building, fans, and crappy website, then we can talk. cause i ain't paying for it
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Post by nejh on Jun 5, 2011 1:59:41 GMT -5
The IHL Rafales and AHL Citadelles both failed in QC for whatever reason, but the support of the Remparts in Quebec has been outstanding. They averaged over 11,500 fans a night this past season (game-by-game attendance here). That would have been the best mark in the AHL by about 2,000 fans and they even surpassed the Islanders' fudged numbers for this season. I imagine they also would have beaten the Thrashers and Coyotes if their numbers were reported honestly. With the support the Remparts have gotten and the Nordiques Nation travelling to NHL buildings by the thousand, I wouldn't doubt that Quebec City would show up for a ticket drive with the same enthusiasm that Winnipeg did. |
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Post by jetman66 on Jun 5, 2011 2:20:00 GMT -5
I suspect NHL would look at possible US markets first...
Gary took a few hits to his ego, returning to a Canadian market (Wpg)...
But...then again...are there any US cities, NHL ready and willing?
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Post by WJG on Jun 5, 2011 2:27:05 GMT -5
While I doubt owning an AHL team would make much difference in the eyes of the NHL, it couldn't hurt Quebecor to bring an AHL team to the new QC arena until they get an NHL team.
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Post by Jordy Ramone on Jun 5, 2011 3:06:15 GMT -5
It's simple. QC needs the building first or at least a promise to bulid it. It's that simple. Coyotes are goin to move next year. I have followed that situation closely and no one can make it work there. Goldwater will only allow certain deals to go through. None that a owner would want. QC get your Go Jets Go together.
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Post by rabenga on Jun 5, 2011 7:35:26 GMT -5
The big difference between Winnipeg and Quebec is timing. The fans are passionate in both markets, the building will get made in short order in Quebec, and they have a financially strong potential owner.
Although the NHL knew behind closed doors that there were teams in trouble in the sunbelt, they were not proactive about locating potential U.S. markets for relocation. Because of this, Winnipeg ended up being the ONLY choice for a quick relocation. It seems to me that they are not going to make that mistake again, as Bill Daly is now trying to get ownership and an arena lined up in Seattle.
If Quebec City wants to get back in the NHL they must strike while the iron is hot, the CANADIAN media is going to challenge Betteman with the success that is happening in Winnipeg and going to point to Quebec City as another CANADIAN (sovereignists Quebec is Canadian jurisdiction) market that CAN and WILL support the NHL.
QC must get their arena started because Betteman is going to use any excuse in the world to try to not allow the team to come back. Look at it with Winnipeg everything was in order, but he still waited as long as possible to allow a team to come back there.
Best wishes to QC!
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Post by DrGui on Jun 5, 2011 8:09:05 GMT -5
Perhaps, oh I don't know.. the Moose? No I don't think so... those are OUR lucky moose eh. ;D |
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Post by sledlen on Jun 5, 2011 8:16:47 GMT -5
I just have one question.... Wouldn't it have been wise for Quebec to take a cue from True North and secure themselves an Ahl team for a few years to ensure success? Perhaps, oh I don't know.. the Moose? They did....bu the team didn't pan out |
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Post by cameronhoo on Jun 5, 2011 8:27:43 GMT -5
I just have one question.... Wouldn't it have been wise for Quebec to take a cue from True North and secure themselves an Ahl team for a few years to ensure success? Perhaps, oh I don't know.. the Moose? They did....bu the team didn't pan out Yes, but it would likely be different this time now that True North paved the way. You don't think fans would sign up for AHL right away in hopes of having first dibs on NHL in a few years? |
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 5, 2011 8:38:53 GMT -5
Quebec City has hit a snag in building an arena. The bidding process may not have been legal. arenadigest.com/201106033271/hockey/nhl-hockey/was-quebec-city-arena-bidding-process-legalNo way does the NHL come back to Quebec City without a 100% guarantee of an arena being built. If an arena is built the NHL will be back. Phoenix will NOT make it long term. Goldwater will not let any illegal deal pass. Without an illegal deal Phoenix cannot make it. Besides at some point the idiots on the city counsel/mayor will be voted out. Just wondering are there any good return of the Nordique sites similar to this site that are in English? |
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Post by postmanpat on Jun 5, 2011 8:43:54 GMT -5
Their AHL team was not successful, and moved in the late 1990's. They have a successful QMJHL team. Winnipeg has opened the flood gates for expansion in more Canadian cities. Expect Quebec and Southern Ontario to be granted teams within the next three years. QC and Hamilton did not support their IHL/AHL teams, we did. Do the math. (QC will get a team, but the fact that they didn't get behind their pro team has delayed things... it means they still don't have a new rink.) The Quebec Remparts have averaged over 10,000 attendance consistently for a while now. |
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Post by djk on Jun 5, 2011 8:52:25 GMT -5
I would love for Quebec to be next but I do think we are talking years down the road. I would be surprised if they were to get the Coyotes next year, for example. The NHL has repeatedly nixed Le Colisee so I doubt they would go for it as an interim for 2-4 years while a new facility is built.
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 5, 2011 9:14:00 GMT -5
I could see it happening if there is a 100% guarantee that the deal for a new arena is done. With only plans but no guarantee no way does the NHL go back. Sports stadium deals encounter snags all the time. See my post above.
Supposedly this is the last year Glendale will outright pay for the team to stay. Unless they can beat Goldwater in court i couldn't see them staying next year IF Quebec finalizes the new arena.
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Post by topper27 on Jun 5, 2011 9:25:09 GMT -5
I would go insane if i follow quebecs saga as much as ours, but nothing would be cooler then seeing the nords return as soon as possible!
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Post by iliketherangers on Jun 5, 2011 9:26:28 GMT -5
yeah QC, start building an arena by the end of this year!!!!
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Post by ronjeremy on Jun 5, 2011 9:31:45 GMT -5
I don't think it is necessary with Quebec. Quebec is a proven market and the fans there will be wild about their new team. The only thing the potential ownership group needs to do is to play like TNSE: quiet and discreet. The potential ownership group are quiet and discreet. It's the fans (Nordiques Nation) that are not. I think they have proved their point anyways. That's enough. |
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Post by dlegras on Jun 5, 2011 9:37:33 GMT -5
Once Quebec get their Arena built or plans to build then I see them getting a team soon. Phoenix is still in lots of trouble and I believe as soon as the lease is up in Florida you will see that team relocate as well. I hope next year they get one. just depends on how fast they can get that arena going.
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Post by ronjeremy on Jun 5, 2011 9:37:39 GMT -5
Quebec City has hit a snag in building an arena. The bidding process may not have been legal. arenadigest.com/201106033271/hockey/nhl-hockey/was-quebec-city-arena-bidding-process-legalNo way does the NHL come back to Quebec City without a 100% guarantee of an arena being built. If an arena is built the NHL will be back. Phoenix will NOT make it long term. Goldwater will not let any illegal deal pass. Without an illegal deal Phoenix cannot make it. Besides at some point the idiots on the city counsel/mayor will be voted out. So why aren't they suing for the 25 millions $ escrow? |
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