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Post by whenshesgone on May 23, 2011 15:20:36 GMT -5
But that never lasts, Moose40. As for name-calling, I would categorise questioning a poster's loyalty as being little different from name-calling, and such posters are not banned. This argument is not about a player or a salary, it's about making a place in the heart of fans, for the team; which makes its scale much bigger in terms of magnitude. People will still cheer for a team if it makes a bad draft pick (Jimmy Mann anyone?); people have stated, however, that their loyalty for the team may be compromised if the team is given another name (agree with that sentiment or not).
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Post by DKehler on May 23, 2011 15:24:20 GMT -5
But that never lasts, Moose40. As for name-calling, I would categorise questioning a poster's loyalty as being little different from name-calling, and such posters are not banned. This argument is not about a player or a salary, it's about making a place in the heart of fans, for the team; which makes its scale much bigger in terms of magnitude. People will still cheer for a team if it makes a bad draft pick (Jimmy Mann anyone?); people have stated, however, that their loyalty for the team may be compromised if the team is given another name (agree with that sentiment or not). It's not even really a question about "boycotting" the team. Again, it can mean simply ignoring the team or continuing to support the team you adopted when the Jets left. If True North wants to attract those types of fans, they can do so by reclaiming the name. And why wouldn't they want to attract as many people as possible?
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Post by bannedana204 on May 23, 2011 15:25:08 GMT -5
Listen people they will sell out no matter what they call the team...ticket sales will not be a problem at all......if they call them the jets great if they don't and go with something else great...They can do what ever they want cause if it wasn't for MC and DT we would have never even got a sniff of the NHL....... Ever hear of Public Relations within an organization? If TNSE was smart, they would have a "name the team" contest, or something that reflects what the community wants. Most American NHL teams in the last 20 years have done this. Lets state the obvious. The Winnipeg NHL team does not have much room for error, as it will have to be run exceptionally well to turn a profit each year. Alienating potential customers is a bad PR move right from the start. Do you honestly think they have the time to hold such an event? Let's be real here. It's almost June. Let's say the contest takes until the middle of July.... then you have a name. NOW, you need a logo, color scheme, jersey design. That MIGHT take two months, on a rushed-job basis. Now you're in September, without any merch, with a rushed, half-assed jersey and they haven't even been able to market the visual end of the product. Not even close to being realistic.
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 15:26:55 GMT -5
Ever hear of Public Relations within an organization? If TNSE was smart, they would have a "name the team" contest, or something that reflects what the community wants. Most American NHL teams in the last 20 years have done this. Lets state the obvious. The Winnipeg NHL team does not have much room for error, as it will have to be run exceptionally well to turn a profit each year. Alienating potential customers is a bad PR move right from the start. Do you honestly think they have the time to hold such an event? Let's be real here. It's almost June. Let's say the contest take until the middle of July.... then you have name. NOW, you need a logo, color scheme, jersey design. That MIGHT take two months, on a rush-job basis. Now you're in September, without any merch, with a rushed, half-assed jersey and they haven't even been able to market the visual end of the product. Not even close to being realistic. the would require some pretty quick movement on everyones part to even make it remotely possible
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 15:27:53 GMT -5
But that never lasts, Moose40. As for name-calling, I would categorise questioning a poster's loyalty as being little different from name-calling, and such posters are not banned. This argument is not about a player or a salary, it's about making a place in the heart of fans, for the team; which makes its scale much bigger in terms of magnitude. People will still cheer for a team if it makes a bad draft pick (Jimmy Mann anyone?); people have stated, however, that their loyalty for the team may be compromised if the team is given another name (agree with that sentiment or not). i know this..wasnt referring to that
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 15:28:07 GMT -5
Apples and Oranges. Calgary never had an NHL team before the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in 1980. So I'm not sure what your point is. "people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them" clear as day That's strange. The Manitoba Moose were around for 15 years, but never really captured the imagination and hearts of the community. In fact, the Jets merchandise always outsold Moose merchandise in Sports stores throughout Winnipeg. Don't get me wrong, the Moose did have a very loyal following of some hardcore hockey fans. Some people never accepted the Moose since they were "not the Jets." However, with the exception of playoff runs, most people were indifferent to the Moose. Hopefully the name will grow on the new NHL team an the community. It happened with the jets, but not with the Moose. Only time will tell if they are not called the Jets. I'm not sure what you are implying. can you please elaborate? Thanks.
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Post by WavyGravy on May 23, 2011 15:32:04 GMT -5
"people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them" clear as day That's strange. The Manitoba Moose were around for 15 years, but never really captured the imagination and hearts of the community. In fact, the Jets merchandise always outsold Moose merchandise in Sports stores throughout Winnipeg. Don't get me wrong, the Moose did have a very loyal following of some hardcore hockey fans. Some people never accepted the Moose since they were "not the Jets." However, with the exception of playoff runs, most people were indifferent to the Moose. Hopefully the name will grow on the new NHL team an the community. It happened with the jets, but not with the Moose. Only time will tell if they are not called the Jets. I'm not sure what you are implying. can you please elaborate? Thanks. Pretty sure the reason for the tepid support and acceptance for the Moose had more to do with it being IHL/AHL and not NHL... You can't even try and compare the support for the Jets vs the Moose when the quality of hockey is so different.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 15:32:28 GMT -5
anyone getting into name calling or childish behavior over a team name is a disgrace..most of what has been going on has been debating, which there really isnt anything wrong with..i think most of the name callers were banned by now I fail to see any " name calling or childish behaviour" as you put it. It's democracy. everyone is entitled to his/her opinion on the team name. And there certainly is nothing wrong with debating the pros and cons of calling the team the Jets.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 15:36:06 GMT -5
Ever hear of Public Relations within an organization? If TNSE was smart, they would have a "name the team" contest, or something that reflects what the community wants. Most American NHL teams in the last 20 years have done this. Lets state the obvious. The Winnipeg NHL team does not have much room for error, as it will have to be run exceptionally well to turn a profit each year. Alienating potential customers is a bad PR move right from the start. Do you honestly think they have the time to hold such an event? Let's be real here. It's almost June. Let's say the contest takes until the middle of July.... then you have a name. NOW, you need a logo, color scheme, jersey design. That MIGHT take two months, on a rushed-job basis. Now you're in September, without any merch, with a rushed, half-assed jersey and they haven't even been able to market the visual end of the product. Not even close to being realistic. Calm down, man. If you have a point make it. No need to get so defensive about a suggestion I make.
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 15:37:39 GMT -5
"people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them" clear as day That's strange. The Manitoba Moose were around for 15 years, but never really captured the imagination and hearts of the community. In fact, the Jets merchandise always outsold Moose merchandise in Sports stores throughout Winnipeg. Don't get me wrong, the Moose did have a very loyal following of some hardcore hockey fans. Some people never accepted the Moose since they were "not the Jets." However, with the exception of playoff runs, most people were indifferent to the Moose. Hopefully the name will grow on the new NHL team an the community. It happened with the jets, but not with the Moose. Only time will tell if they are not called the Jets. I'm not sure what you are implying. can you please elaborate? Thanks. ahl hockey to nhl hockey..more apples to oranges if you honestly believe that the only reason AHL merchandise didnt outsell NHL merchandise in the city of winnipeg was strictly because of the name, then i dont need to discuss that topic any further..this isnt a town like hershey, pa were talking about the other point, calgarians, not attending games here, a large majority of which are flames fans having input on the name of winnipeg's team hardly matters..the main reason anyone would say that is because people outside of winnipeg typically associate the city itself with that team..if you took any city in north america, renamed their #1 sports team, you would get the same response anywhere as these people in calgary are giving
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 15:40:16 GMT -5
anyone getting into name calling or childish behavior over a team name is a disgrace..most of what has been going on has been debating, which there really isnt anything wrong with..i think most of the name callers were banned by now I fail to see any " name calling or childish behaviour" as you put it. It's democracy. everyone is entitled to his/her opinion on the team name. And there certainly is nothing wrong with debating the pros and cons of calling the team the Jets. haha not in this particular thread..ive been pretty clear in saying that the debates have gone on pretty well all around..if you havent noticed, theres only been around 12 name threads the last couple days jeeze you guys are making me look like stalin for simply stating that the way this has been handled has gone very well for the most part i think the two of you that quoted this post got the impression i was talking to the person i quoted directly, which wasnt the case..i was being hypothetical
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 15:46:09 GMT -5
assuming the canucks win the cup, brianstc you pretty much cant lose in this whole situation haha
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 15:54:49 GMT -5
the other point, calgarians, not attending games here, a large majority of which are flames fans having input on the name of winnipeg's team hardly matters.. Calgary has a first class organization that has turned a profit for most of the last decade. You will find in life that in order to achieve your own success, you should listen to successful teams and their fans.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 15:57:45 GMT -5
Do you honestly think they have the time to hold such an event? Let's be real here. It's almost June. Let's say the contest takes until the middle of July.... then you have a name. NOW, you need a logo, color scheme, jersey design. That MIGHT take two months, on a rushed-job basis. Now you're in September, without any merch, with a rushed, half-assed jersey and they haven't even been able to market the visual end of the product. Not even close to being realistic. I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but it does not take that long. Once the decision on a logo design and colour scheme is made, you could have the jerseys and other merchandise ready within a week. ***EDIT*** If my designer took 2 months to bring me a logo, I wouldn't have that designer for long... it would take even less time with the Jets, since they will have something that has market appeal. They would only need to alter it so it could be tweaked to be comparable to other teams 2011 jerseys. It would take hardly any time to do.
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Post by fokkerfan2 on May 23, 2011 16:07:38 GMT -5
It's hard to imagine all the Winnipeger's out there wearing Jets jerseys, hats, t-shirts, etc and then they announce the team name "Your Manitoba Falcons!!" It's going to be a little deflating at first. It's so natural to be the Jets maybe everyone is over reacting here??
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 16:13:50 GMT -5
the other point, calgarians, not attending games here, a large majority of which are flames fans having input on the name of winnipeg's team hardly matters.. Calgary has a first class organization that has turned a profit for most of the last decade. You will find in life that in order to achieve your own success, you should listen to successful teams and their fans. okay, deal we will listen to their organization and name the team the winnipeg thrashers..they can even use your avatar as their logo
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Post by Dcmac on May 23, 2011 16:17:22 GMT -5
Winnipeg wants to see the Jets back, Canada wants to see the Jets back. I can only hope TNSE realizes this.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on May 23, 2011 16:27:36 GMT -5
TN cant have the name the team contest because "Jets" would win.
I'm like everyone else, I will obviously do what I can to support the team. I will love it no matter what. But it will feel slightly bittersweet to get our team back and have it not be Jets. To me, it will actually be a reminder that of what we lost and that we have someone else's team, rather than our own.
Calling them "Jets" puts much-needed emotional closure on the loss. That was a huge wound that was opened 16 years ago and in my opinion, we didnt "get over it" over time. Am I the only one that didnt realise the depth of the emotional connection and the depth of the wound until seeing video (or being there live) of the gathering at P&M?
It's the right thing to do. I am holding out faith that the powers that be in True North are listening...and even if they have already created a new name, logo and jersey, that they are impressed and moved by the fact that everywhere you turn in North America, when this relocation arises, it isn't "NHL", it's "Jets".
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Post by 1979 on May 23, 2011 16:32:28 GMT -5
I think not naming the team the Jets will have an impact on ticket sales in the beginning, maybe not so much in a few years time. an impact on the length of the waiting list maybe, but the tickets are pretty much going to all be spoken for as soon as they hit the market regardless Exactly. The demand will exceed availability, regardless.
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Post by theclicker78 on May 23, 2011 16:35:47 GMT -5
As an outsider from the States and far as marketing and merchandising go, I say Jets all the way. I will for sure support the Jets name and buy a hat and shirt, but if it is not the Jets, no thanks. Same goes with Minnesota. I loved the North Stars brand that I even own some North Stars stuff even though I have never been to Minnesota (my grandpa is from there). But with the Wild brand forget it. Lame name and even more lame logo/jersey. I know other people here in Washington State that love all the old school stuff like Jets, Whalers, Nordiques, etc. and wouldn't want that messed with either if teams returned. Also look at the Washington Wizards of the NBA, the name has been a total bust and the jerseys an even worst of a bust. So much that the kept the name (only because Bullets sends a bad message to kids and an even sorer topic is Gilbert Arenas actually having a gun in the locker room), but they changed their uniforms back to resemble the Bullets of old. That is what is going to sell. As someone who is in the marketing field, I know a thing or two about the topic, but that is just my two cents.
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