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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 12:08:27 GMT -5
Quotes all taken from www.calgarypuck.com"I completely agree. If the "Jets" name is available to them (I assume it is) then *not* using it will go down as one of the poorest decisions they'll make. I would think the "Jets" name has considerable marketing value in Manitoba compared with anything new. Makes absolutely no sense if they don't return as the Jets."the2bears "Wow, so stupid. Someone teach these guys about the concept of "sunk cost" and tell them to go with the name that doesn't require marketing."JD "I would never underestimate the potential to do something stupid in Winnipeg. If they are not the Jets I will be really torn to give my support."SeaBass "I'm really happy for Winnipeg. Congratulations on (almost definitely) getting an NHL team back! And calling them anything other than the Jets would be absolutely asinine.""Regardless, the Moose is such a minor league name and if they think a new name will have the cache' of the Jets, the ownership group is thoroughly mistaken. It may work for children but I can't see anyone who grew up with the Jets thrilled about a name change.
Update the logo, change the colours a bit, but keep the name and you'll have your jersey sales."kn "You've got to figure some consultant told TNSE that if they change the name and market it to Manitoba there will be substantially more revenue over time than if they leave it as the Jets.
But why would you destroy the legacy and goodwill you've developed by bringing the team back? You've got to figure that 'Go Jets Go' is forever and a name change just won't catch on.
I'm hoping the powers that be see the light and that the mayor is completely wrong..."kn "i'm not sure why the Winnipeg ownership group would even consider another name other than Jets. it will be a fragile NHL market to begin with, why would they go out of their way to piss off the fans right from the start?
if they're not gonna use the Jets branding, they might as well call the team the Manitoba Temps, because that's all they'll be."Hemi-Cuda "Anything but the Jets would be silly. Manitoba Jets? Maybe, using the province name as a pot sweetener to get the provincial government onboard."browna "Seems like a vocal majority in Winnipeg want the same name back. Suggesting or mildly insinuating the fan base will pack it in should that not happen is extremely short sighted. I think they'll be thrilled come opening night no matter what the team is called, but the nostalgic wishes are not the least but surprising.
2nd, the Jets existed in the NHL for 17 seasons. None of your downplaying of their lack of accomplishments notes that. There are a lot of teams who don't have a whole lot to write home about in 17 seasons. Continuing with the brand in no way dooms the team to failure. It will be a new and young franchise even if and when it returns to action.
Really short sighted post in many ways."Captain_Obvious -------------------------------------------------- Keep in mind this is just one page out of a 41 page thread. If a progressive city like Calgary overwhelmingly says it is a big mistake, they must be on to something. Especially considering how successful the Flames organization has been in the last 8 or 9 years.
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 13:24:36 GMT -5
ive made it pretty clear that i really dont care what they name the team..but this is also from a fan base and city that has totally embraced the name that came along from atlanta with the flames franchise..point being, if you bring nhl hockey to canada, people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them
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Post by vrx on May 23, 2011 13:27:21 GMT -5
I think not naming the team the Jets will have an impact on ticket sales in the beginning, maybe not so much in a few years time.
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 13:33:16 GMT -5
I think not naming the team the Jets will have an impact on ticket sales in the beginning, maybe not so much in a few years time. an impact on the length of the waiting list maybe, but the tickets are pretty much going to all be spoken for as soon as they hit the market regardless
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Post by hpsauce on May 23, 2011 13:33:27 GMT -5
I actually do worry that people wont support the team if they aren't called the Jets... ugh.
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Post by boomersbroncos on May 23, 2011 13:38:30 GMT -5
Listen people they will sell out no matter what they call the team...ticket sales will not be a problem at all......if they call them the jets great if they don't and go with something else great...They can do what ever they want cause if it wasn't for MC and DT we would have never even got a sniff of the NHL.......
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 13:43:08 GMT -5
Listen people they will sell out no matter what they call the team...ticket sales will not be a problem at all......if they call them the jets great if they don't and go with something else great...They can do what ever they want cause if it wasn't for MC and DT we would have never even got a sniff of the NHL....... oh man you opened the can of worms now about how the customer is always right, listen to your fan base, blah blah blah..i think people have been around the bombers too long where they literally have a board of everyday schmo fans making the teams decisions
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 13:45:47 GMT -5
ive made it pretty clear that i really dont care what they name the team..but this is also from a fan base and city that has totally embraced the name that came along from atlanta with the flames franchise..point being, if you bring nhl hockey to canada, people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them Apples and Oranges. Calgary never had an NHL team before the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in 1980. So I'm not sure what your point is.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 13:53:13 GMT -5
Listen people they will sell out no matter what they call the team...ticket sales will not be a problem at all......if they call them the jets great if they don't and go with something else great...They can do what ever they want cause if it wasn't for MC and DT we would have never even got a sniff of the NHL....... Ever hear of Public Relations within an organization? If TNSE was smart, they would have a "name the team" contest, or something that reflects what the community wants. Most American NHL teams in the last 20 years have done this. Lets state the obvious. The Winnipeg NHL team does not have much room for error, as it will have to be run exceptionally well to turn a profit each year. Alienating potential customers is a bad PR move right from the start.
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Post by pdenny on May 23, 2011 13:54:02 GMT -5
Winnipeggers will embrace this team no matter what it will be called. If they don't, then Winnipeg doesn't deserve an NHL team. Plain and simple. Some people are already taking things for granted. Falcons instead of Jets? Hey, things could be worse. For example, oh, I don't know....how about no NHL team at all? Get over it, Jetophiles, and support the Falcons, Moose or whatever, or see your team leave once again.
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Post by LT on May 23, 2011 13:56:54 GMT -5
I'm surprized there are so many people that believe like many of us, it should be the Jets. As smart as I consider Mark Chipman I really hope he's reconsidered. Beyond that if a person won't support the new name then grow up.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 14:01:06 GMT -5
Winnipeggers will embrace this team no matter what it will be called. If they don't, then Winnipeg doesn't deserve an NHL team. Plain and simple. Some people are already taking things for granted. Falcons instead of Jets? Hey, things could be worse. For example, oh, I don't know....how about no NHL team at all? Get over it, Jetophiles, and support the Falcons, Moose or whatever, or see your team leave once again. Nobody is taking for granted that TNSE is bringing an NHL team here. We just want it to succeed. Saying comments like "deal with it" and such is an example of what not to do in any kind of business, let alone run a NHL club worth millions of dollars. BTW, last time I checked, the website was Jetsowner.com, which pretty much sums up what most people in the city want the team to be called.
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Post by cheswick on May 23, 2011 14:03:25 GMT -5
I think not naming the team the Jets will have an impact on ticket sales in the beginning, maybe not so much in a few years time. I think it'll have zero impact on ticket sales either way. The return of the NHL to Winnipeg is the biggest story this city has seen since the Jets left. There will be virtually zero spen on marketing for a new team name. Everyone in the city will know the name. Everyone will get over a new name in a few weeks. This reminds me of when nintendo first came out with the name wii. So many video game fans got outraged. It went on to be by far the best selling console of this generation
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Post by whenshesgone on May 23, 2011 14:10:38 GMT -5
As I noted on another thread: imagine they were going to be called the Jets. We wouldn't be having this debate: the potential fanbase wouldn't be divided, or calling each other fools and accusing people of not being fans. We wouldn't have people saying they won't pony up at the trough if the team gets another name; we wouldn't have their opponents dumping on them and calling them idiots or whatever (or that smarmy ten-year old's 'kay, g'bye stuff). We wouldn't have hockey fans in other cities staring in disbelief or calling us fools for messing with a good and respected icon.
Imagine all that. We'd be here cheering each other on and ready to fly once the announcement's made. Goodwill on all sides: the best start to this new era imaginable. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? Instead, this issue is splitting the fanbase and that sucks.
But hey, there's an easy fix to all of this....
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Post by ganko55 on May 23, 2011 14:12:32 GMT -5
If True North continues this quest down the right path, it seems likely they would hold a public name-the-team contest. It looks like the Jets would come out on top anyways. True North are the ones writing the cheque here to make this happen, so they also have the right to name it whatever they wish. I can't see the team name holding back true hometown hockey fans from buying tickets. Those fans who would refuse to buy tickets based solely on their disapproval of the team name, should give their heads a shake. It's been 15 years with no NHL in Winnipeg. The city and province must absolutely support the new team through thick and thin, regardless if the name wasn't their 1st choice. Or else, history could very well repeat itself.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on May 23, 2011 14:20:10 GMT -5
I think not naming the team the Jets will have an impact on ticket sales in the beginning, maybe not so much in a few years time. I think it'll have zero impact on ticket sales either way. The return of the NHL to Winnipeg is the biggest story this city has seen since the Jets left. There will be virtually zero spen on marketing for a new team name. TNSE will spend hardly any money on marketing for the Jets name, since Winnnipeggers have an emotional attachment to it. If you truly believe TNSE will spend virtually nothing on a new name, logo, image, etc., then you are sadly mistaken. That is one of the biggest reasons against giving the NHL team a new name. It will cost more to market an entirely new brand than it does to market a tried and tested brand like the "Jets".
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Post by canadiensfan on May 23, 2011 14:29:28 GMT -5
Exactly, people might not like it at first, but'll eventually grow into something everyone loves!
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Post by whenshesgone on May 23, 2011 14:43:18 GMT -5
If True North continues this quest down the right path, it seems likely they would hold a public name-the-team contest. It looks like the Jets would come out on top anyways. True North are the ones writing the cheque here to make this happen, so they also have the right to name it whatever they wish. I can't see the team name holding back true hometown hockey fans from buying tickets. Those fans who would refuse to buy tickets based solely on their disapproval of the team name, should give their heads a shake. It's been 15 years with no NHL in Winnipeg. The city and province must absolutely support the new team through thick and thin, regardless if the name wasn't their 1st choice. Or else, history could very well repeat itself. They may well 'should give their heads a shake.' Doesn't change the reality that such opinions exist. And yes, history could repeat itself. The whole thing sucks, but there it is.
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 14:46:56 GMT -5
ive made it pretty clear that i really dont care what they name the team..but this is also from a fan base and city that has totally embraced the name that came along from atlanta with the flames franchise..point being, if you bring nhl hockey to canada, people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them Apples and Oranges. Calgary never had an NHL team before the Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in 1980. So I'm not sure what your point is. "people are gonna support it either way, and the name will grow on them" clear as day imo the true meaning of apples to oranges is asking foreign markets, that wont be contributing, how they feel about it
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Post by moose40 on May 23, 2011 14:48:04 GMT -5
As I noted on another thread: imagine they were going to be called the Jets. We wouldn't be having this debate: the potential fanbase wouldn't be divided, or calling each other fools and accusing people of not being fans. We wouldn't have people saying they won't pony up at the trough if the team gets another name; we wouldn't have their opponents dumping on them and calling them idiots or whatever (or that smarmy ten-year old's 'kay, g'bye stuff). We wouldn't have hockey fans in other cities staring in disbelief or calling us fools for messing with a good and respected icon. Imagine all that. We'd be here cheering each other on and ready to fly once the announcement's made. Goodwill on all sides: the best start to this new era imaginable. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? Instead, this issue is splitting the fanbase and that sucks. But hey, there's an easy fix to all of this.... anyone getting into name calling or childish behavior over a team name is a disgrace..most of what has been going on has been debating, which there really isnt anything wrong with..i think most of the name callers were banned by now the first time they make a draft pick, or overpay for a player that a majority of people dont like, tnse will get sh*t on even worse than they would for the team name
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