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Post by Puckschmuck on Mar 20, 2011 14:32:12 GMT -5
Mking4, did you come here to start trouble and bash Manitoba, Winnipeg and Western Canada, or are you going to actually contribute to the conversation or QCs funding for a new arena? They should get abou 10% federal funding and about 10-15% provincial and municipal funding, and the rest should be private.
Oh, and btw, Manitoba natural resource sector is going through a mini-boom that is expected to only get bigger and bigger over the next several decades. It is anticipated that 1 Billion dollars worth of drilling investments will take place in Manitoba this year alone. This will definately lessen the equalization payments for Manitoba, however I see no attempt for QC to lessen it's own dependance on the Federal tit.
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Post by wpgmike on Mar 20, 2011 14:55:40 GMT -5
Mking4, just stated some facts, and gave his opinion just like everyone else here. I think he contributted just as much as anyone else on this subject. I don't think he bashed Manitoba at all, he stated that the MTS Center was a fair financial model for other arenas. I think that's a complement.
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Post by mking4 on Mar 20, 2011 18:06:50 GMT -5
loverboy: I was making two points;
1. In response to all the slandering of Québec going on in this thread, I wanted to show how it is hypocrital to say that Québec takes and takes from Canada while at the same time, Manitoba is actually takes more per capita. If people want to have a discussion about Québec's arena and how the government should be involved that's fine, but please enough with this anti-Québec sentiment.
2. I think the Federal government put in about 10% of the money towards a new arena in Québec as they did with the MTS Centre. The link I posted shows how the MTS Centre construction was funded. You just said in your post basically the exact same thing, agreeing with me, so I'm not sure why you would consider me a trouble maker.
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Post by traften on Mar 20, 2011 19:34:43 GMT -5
loverboy: I was making two points; 1. In response to all the slandering of Québec going on in this thread, I wanted to show how it is hypocrital to say that Québec takes and takes from Canada while at the same time, Manitoba is actually takes more per capita. If people want to have a discussion about Québec's arena and how the government should be involved that's fine, but please enough with this anti-Québec sentiment. 2. I think the Federal government put in about 10% of the money towards a new arena in Québec as they did with the MTS Centre. The link I posted shows how the MTS Centre construction was funded. You just said in your post basically the exact same thing, agreeing with me, so I'm not sure why you would consider me a trouble maker. Quebec has been mooching off CANADA for years. I for one would love to see them seperate from Canada. |
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Post by traften on Mar 20, 2011 21:48:27 GMT -5
The more we read these comments, the more we want to separate. Good job guys! Not sure your friends in the east would like this though. Think twice. You are just forgetting one little thing, the east (including Quebec) send lots of moneys to the west 15 20 years ago. You should kiss our feet. As long I dont have to live in your toxic waste country, I'd like to stay in Canada. Keep your racism for other places than hockey board. Ban me from your board if you want, I wont let teenagers morons write stupiditys been chicken enough to write it only in english. Its posts like these that make me wonder what really goes on in Quebec to make people think they are superior to the rest of Canada. Quebec is like a 40 year old kid still living at home and mooching off their parents (Canada). I truly believe Canada would be better off economically if quebec separated. |
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 20, 2011 21:50:49 GMT -5
Map of Canada if Quebec Separates.  |
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Post by Puckschmuck on Mar 20, 2011 23:07:20 GMT -5
Map of Canada if Quebec Separates. From what I understand, if they did seperate, then they would only get a little strip of land along the St. Lawrence and maybe the Gaspe peninsula. That would be it. |
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 21, 2011 0:25:46 GMT -5
There are 4 parts of Quebec that would likely remain in Canada:
1. Northern Quebec (Inuit voted in their own referendum 96% YES to stay in Canada)
2. The west, and richer half of Montreal.
3. The area around the Capital region (Gatineau, Hull, etc.)
4. Sherbrooke, and much of the area bordering the United States.
All of these areas voted convincingly to stay in Canada in 1995. Besides, under international law, if Canada is divisible, Quebec certainly is. The Aboriginals can always appeal under this law to have their land remain in Canada.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 21, 2011 0:32:01 GMT -5
The whole 1995 Referendum was a sham anyway.
1. They worded the question so it was convoluted, and confusing to the average citizen
2. The "spolied" ballot count was 8-10x higher in areas where the "NO" side would have been victorious
3. When asked about the Inuit vote earlier in the week, where they have nearly all voted to stay in Canada, a PQ Seperatist Woman stated "That does not matter, as they are not real people."
I truly believe if the question was worded simply "Do you favor Quebec leaving Canada, to become their own country" the vote would have been overwhelmingly "NO"
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Post by mking4 on Mar 21, 2011 11:57:35 GMT -5
So, you're saying you don't like Québec.
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Post by Puckschmuck on Mar 21, 2011 12:39:21 GMT -5
No, we are just saying that there is so much political BS involved in this kind of process that it is not simply about just breaking away from Canada. It's a process that will take time and money, and cause a lot of people headaches.
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Post by ReJ40 on Mar 21, 2011 15:22:59 GMT -5
live and let live for f*ck sakes.
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Post by tsmof on Mar 21, 2011 20:27:51 GMT -5
mking,
Its not that anyone hates Quebec, and we understand its not the only have not province.... but the political garbage that surrounds that province really hinders the opinion of that province... and this whole Arena debacle really brings it to light.
I still don't see how a provincial party can run in a federal election... if the Saskatchewan Party was running for Parliament Hill and pulled the same "poor me" antics, then it would be no different.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 21, 2011 21:19:08 GMT -5
So, you're saying you don't like Québec. I like Quebec. I think it's a beautiful province. I just hate Separatists. They are always the butt end of jokes in America, the UK, and even France. Have a problem with that? |
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Post by selanne405 on Mar 21, 2011 23:49:43 GMT -5
There are 4 parts of Quebec that would likely remain in Canada: 1. Northern Quebec (Inuit voted in their own referendum 96% YES to stay in Canada) 2. The west, and richer half of Montreal. 3. The area around the Capital region (Gatineau, Hull, etc.) 4. Sherbrooke, and much of the area bordering the United States. All of these areas voted convincingly to stay in Canada in 1995. Besides, under international law, if Canada is divisible, Quebec certainly is. The Aboriginals can always appeal under this law to have their land remain in Canada. Assuming that did Happen how the go jets go would quebec sustain itself as a country? Its sad that this whole thing has to carry around all the politcal garbage isnt it. |
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Post by dentifrice on Mar 22, 2011 7:01:56 GMT -5
There are 4 parts of Quebec that would likely remain in Canada: 1. Northern Quebec (Inuit voted in their own referendum 96% YES to stay in Canada) 2. The west, and richer half of Montreal. 3. The area around the Capital region (Gatineau, Hull, etc.) 4. Sherbrooke, and much of the area bordering the United States. All of these areas voted convincingly to stay in Canada in 1995. Besides, under international law, if Canada is divisible, Quebec certainly is. The Aboriginals can always appeal under this law to have their land remain in Canada. I love how you forgot the most federalist region of the province. My city, Quebec city, isn't seperatist at all. But your theory is based on the last referendum and political situation has changed a lot since. Anyway, everywhere is the province, seperation is less popular every year. |
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Post by rsyl on Mar 22, 2011 14:23:32 GMT -5
There are 4 parts of Quebec that would likely remain in Canada: 1. Northern Quebec (Inuit voted in their own referendum 96% YES to stay in Canada) 2. The west, and richer half of Montreal. 3. The area around the Capital region (Gatineau, Hull, etc.) 4. Sherbrooke, and much of the area bordering the United States. All of these areas voted convincingly to stay in Canada in 1995. Besides, under international law, if Canada is divisible, Quebec certainly is. The Aboriginals can always appeal under this law to have their land remain in Canada. I love how you forgot the most federalist region of the province. My city, Quebec city, isn't seperatist at all. But your theory is based on the last referendum and political situation has changed a lot since. Anyway, everywhere is the province, seperation is less popular every year. Interesting, granted I was in elementary school when the referendum happened, but I was told by friends and family that only Montreal really voted to stay in Canada. I just always assumed that QC city was the reason for the referendum. Hold on, I think I was right.  |
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 22, 2011 15:14:15 GMT -5
Well that map of the final vote by each riding tells the whole story, and backs up my claim.
Northern Quebec, and the municipalities bordering the USA voted to stay in Canada by a 50-70% votes, while most of Montreal, and especially the Municipalities around the Capital Region (Ottawa-Gatineau) voted "NO" by 70% or greater.
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Post by deltaxray on Mar 22, 2011 16:57:19 GMT -5
Why don't the moderator are not erasing this entire thread? Theres is nothing here about hockey.
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Post by CravenMoorhead on Mar 22, 2011 19:51:34 GMT -5
Why don't the moderator are not erasing this entire thread? Theres is nothing here about hockey. Your first post, and you complain about a thread. Hmmmmmmmm....interesting. |
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