|
Post by crazycanuck on Feb 22, 2011 13:27:09 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if this new owner BS is all drummed up by the NHL to delay the AS from selling. Why? Because the Phoenix situation is on the verge of crumbling and GB needs us more. For a while now, we've been led to believe that the Atlanta to Winnipeg deal has been in place for some time just waiting for the Phoenix situation to be resolved. Why is it then that the owner has suddenly been talking publicly about new partners or a new ownership group being needed to keep the team in Atlanta? If there was a deal in place with TN, why not keep it quiet and let the deal be completed to move the team to Winnipeg? Regardless of what happens in Phoenix, why not wait on making any public statements? The more the issue (both Phoenix and Atlanta) is in the public eye, the more difficult it makes it for Winnipeg to get either team. One thing I have learned over the last number of years is how difficult it is trying to get a team out of an existing market. Regardless of how much fan apathy there is in a particular market, it's next to impossible to extract a team from that location as there seems to always be someone willing to buy a team. It's such a shame that we lost our team in the first place as this whole process has become the ultimate frustration. Since the last relocation of Hartford to Carolina in 1997, one thing you have to acknowledge about Gary Bettman --- his dogged determination to keep teams in their current markets. None of the other 3 major league sports have gone through such great lengths to prevent teams from moving the way Bettman has done with the NHL. Downtown you are normally very upbeat...keep the faith!
|
|
|
Post by tim on Feb 22, 2011 13:38:18 GMT -5
Remember until Atlanta get paid they are responsible for the team loosing money. They want people still to show up not walk away, smoke and mirrors! Then Atlanta becomes like Cal Naughton, Jr. Now You see Me Now You Don't.
|
|
|
Post by No Longer Cautious! on Feb 22, 2011 13:44:16 GMT -5
Part of me wonders if this new owner BS is all drummed up by the NHL to delay the AS from selling. Why? Because the Phoenix situation is on the verge of crumbling and GB needs us more. For a while now, we've been led to believe that the Atlanta to Winnipeg deal has been in place for some time just waiting for the Phoenix situation to be resolved. Why is it then that the owner has suddenly been talking publicly about new partners or a new ownership group being needed to keep the team in Atlanta? If there was a deal in place with TN, why not keep it quiet and let the deal be completed to move the team to Winnipeg? Regardless of what happens in Phoenix, why not wait on making any public statements? The more the issue (both Phoenix and Atlanta) is in the public eye, the more difficult it makes it for Winnipeg to get either team. One thing I have learned over the last number of years is how difficult it is trying to get a team out of an existing market. Regardless of how much fan apathy there is in a particular market, it's next to impossible to extract a team from that location as there seems to always be someone willing to buy a team. It's such a shame that we lost our team in the first place as this whole process has become the ultimate frustration. Since the last relocation of Hartford to Carolina in 1997, one thing you have to acknowledge about Gary Bettman --- his dogged determination to keep teams in their current markets. None of the other 3 major league sports have gone through such great lengths to prevent teams from moving the way Bettman has done with the NHL. I have to agree with this concern. That is why I continue to cheer for GWI, despite the fact that it may well be holding up the Thrashers deal. I have heard the same rumors as many have that the deal is already signed with Atlanta but I remain skeptical of that. I am sure Bettman has given TNSE some sort of verbal ROFR but that doesn't mean much if no team is moving....
|
|
|
Post by jetsorbust on Feb 22, 2011 13:59:51 GMT -5
For a while now, we've been led to believe that the Atlanta to Winnipeg deal has been in place for some time just waiting for the Phoenix situation to be resolved. Why is it then that the owner has suddenly been talking publicly about new partners or a new ownership group being needed to keep the team in Atlanta? If there was a deal in place with TN, why not keep it quiet and let the deal be completed to move the team to Winnipeg? Regardless of what happens in Phoenix, why not wait on making any public statements? The more the issue (both Phoenix and Atlanta) is in the public eye, the more difficult it makes it for Winnipeg to get either team. One thing I have learned over the last number of years is how difficult it is trying to get a team out of an existing market. Regardless of how much fan apathy there is in a particular market, it's next to impossible to extract a team from that location as there seems to always be someone willing to buy a team. It's such a shame that we lost our team in the first place as this whole process has become the ultimate frustration. Since the last relocation of Hartford to Carolina in 1997, one thing you have to acknowledge about Gary Bettman --- his dogged determination to keep teams in their current markets. None of the other 3 major league sports have gone through such great lengths to prevent teams from moving the way Bettman has done with the NHL. I have to agree with this concern. That is why I continue to cheer for GWI, despite the fact that it may well be holding up the Thrashers deal. I have heard the same rumors as many have that the deal is already signed with Atlanta but I remain skeptical of that. I am sure Bettman has given TNSE some sort of verbal ROFR but that doesn't mean much if no team is moving.... x2 I have trouble believing that anything is a done deal (although I'd love to be wrong). So until we know for sure that a team is ours, I would rather see GWI sue the crap out of the Coyotes and kill any hope of saving them, then cheer for them to be saved and hope that it really is true Atlanta is ours (which at this point, is speculation only, albeit from many people we all want to trust on this site )
|
|
|
Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 22, 2011 14:07:47 GMT -5
I look at it two ways.
1) the deal is done but either the owners out it "out there" to see if any last ditch miracle surfaces before the closing date or due make themselves appear to have "searched" for other options (remember, the media seems to think they have only just begun looking when we know for a fact they have been searching for new investors and/or owners for years.
2) the deal is not done and the NHL told Spirit they have to look for an owner in Atlanta first.
|
|
|
Post by Conan on Feb 22, 2011 14:12:39 GMT -5
I'm certain that if there's an agreement between True North and the Atlanta group, there's an out clause on both sides. For True North, it's if Phoenix comes available and for Atlanta it's if local ownership steps up to purchase the team.
|
|
|
Post by mcguire4 on Feb 22, 2011 14:19:21 GMT -5
I am just going to put this out there in the wind but why do you think the sudden media attention in Atlanta and why did the owners speak out when they did? Is it to try and screw TNSE by finding a local owner? Or has it become obvious the COG is not going to get it done and the yotes will be moving to Winnipeg, leaving Atlanta in its current situation? Maybe Atlanta has been told the NHL will not be purchasing them to help the situation, and they are on there own to find investors or a buyer. With TNSE out of that picture their situation is that much more dire is it not? Of course I am just speculating.............................................. im thinking this may be it.
|
|
|
Post by LT on Feb 22, 2011 14:25:17 GMT -5
I am just going to put this out there in the wind but why do you think the sudden media attention in Atlanta and why did the owners speak out when they did? Is it to try and screw TNSE by finding a local owner? Or has it become obvious the COG is not going to get it done and the yotes will be moving to Winnipeg, leaving Atlanta in its current situation? Maybe Atlanta has been told the NHL will not be purchasing them to help the situation, and they are on there own to find investors or a buyer. With TNSE out of that picture their situation is that much more dire is it not? Of course I am just speculating.............................................. I think many of us are thinking this also BUT what if COG pulls it off? That's where many of us are worried. I'm sure the Atlanta owners are feeling some pressure and they're probably just like all of us watching this circus from the outside and not knowing what's going on. If by the owners going public with this and not having Phoenix secured for ourselves, it feels like dejavu.
|
|
|
Post by texanjet on Feb 22, 2011 14:47:15 GMT -5
The Keep the Thrashers folks have made a new video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsg14vsGNcAs a fan who has been through this I feel for them as someone who works in film/video I'm embarrassed for them. Seriously a video with the quality of a high school english project is not going to entice anyone. If it wasn't against my interests I'd offer my services.
|
|
|
Post by neufeld on Feb 22, 2011 14:50:41 GMT -5
The Keep the Thrashers folks have made a new video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsg14vsGNcAs a fan who has been through this I feel for them as someone who works in film/video I'm embarrassed for them. Seriously a video with the quality of a high school english project is not going to entice anyone. If it wasn't against my interests I'd offer my services. Dont bother viewing it. It has 10 views, and if we all view it they will just assume it is their fans showing interest. Let the Thrashers die a quiet death and we can proceed with the resurrection.
|
|
|
Post by crills on Feb 22, 2011 14:50:44 GMT -5
I am just going to put this out there in the wind but why do you think the sudden media attention in Atlanta and why did the owners speak out when they did? Is it to try and screw TNSE by finding a local owner? Or has it become obvious the COG is not going to get it done and the yotes will be moving to Winnipeg, leaving Atlanta in its current situation? Maybe Atlanta has been told the NHL will not be purchasing them to help the situation, and they are on there own to find investors or a buyer. With TNSE out of that picture their situation is that much more dire is it not? Of course I am just speculating.............................................. Ding, Ding! My thoughts too!
|
|
|
Post by neufeld on Feb 22, 2011 14:56:16 GMT -5
Are we still supposed to play fair with D-Bags like this guy? atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-thrashers/2011/2/22/2008303/save-the-thrashers-rally-schedule-date-time'Save The Thrashers' Rally Should Be Rescheduled To A More Atlanta Time by Jason Kirk • Feb 22, 2011 2:22 PM EST That "Save the Thrashers" rally, organized on Facebook and planned for the two hours before Friday night's 7:30 game, is going to be an embarrassment for Atlanta Thrashers fans unless it's pushed back to some time on the weekend, and preferably not this weekend. Besides the fact that its organizers are trying to put together a show of force in only a handful of days, there's quite possibly not a worse time to attempt to gather Atlantans than 5:30 pm on a Friday. I'm not trying to belittle the effort or the spirit behind it. Any time a team threatens a move, this kind of thing sprouts up. Highly doubt any of them have ever succeeded, but a rally like this is on that Dylan Thomas swag anway, so all that's beside the point. All I'm saying is ... 5:30 pm in Atlanta on a Friday? With the traffic in this town? Not even joking -- I'd bet you could get better attendance at midnight on a Wednesday. Winnipeg hockey fans want this rally to be as big of a flop as possible. Unless you guys don't want to crack triple digits, don't hold this thing right in the middle of rush hour. And don't use that number of Attendees on your Facebook page as justification for staying the course. More than half of those people are going to prove to be E-supporters, not participants. Again, that's not a comment on Atlanta's hockey devotion -- that's the reality of planning events like this anywhere for any cause. Actually, clicking through the names, some of those Attendees are Winnipeg trolls anyway, who've only recently acquired electricity in their state of Nova Scotia and sort of hope they'll actually get an NFL team as a part of the deal.
|
|
|
Post by tim on Feb 22, 2011 14:59:29 GMT -5
I am just going to put this out there in the wind but why do you think the sudden media attention in Atlanta and why did the owners speak out when they did? Is it to try and screw TNSE by finding a local owner? Or has it become obvious the COG is not going to get it done and the yotes will be moving to Winnipeg, leaving Atlanta in its current situation? Maybe Atlanta has been told the NHL will not be purchasing them to help the situation, and they are on there own to find investors or a buyer. With TNSE out of that picture their situation is that much more dire is it not? Of course I am just speculating.............................................. Hence a new roller coaster of emotions for me!!! Like Pat from Saturday Night Live "keep them guessing"
|
|
|
Post by jetsorbust on Feb 22, 2011 15:04:46 GMT -5
Are we still supposed to play fair with D-Bags like this guy? atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-thrashers/2011/2/22/2008303/save-the-thrashers-rally-schedule-date-time'Save The Thrashers' Rally Should Be Rescheduled To A More Atlanta Time by Jason Kirk • Feb 22, 2011 2:22 PM EST That "Save the Thrashers" rally, organized on Facebook and planned for the two hours before Friday night's 7:30 game, is going to be an embarrassment for Atlanta Thrashers fans unless it's pushed back to some time on the weekend, and preferably not this weekend. Besides the fact that its organizers are trying to put together a show of force in only a handful of days, there's quite possibly not a worse time to attempt to gather Atlantans than 5:30 pm on a Friday. I'm not trying to belittle the effort or the spirit behind it. Any time a team threatens a move, this kind of thing sprouts up. Highly doubt any of them have ever succeeded, but a rally like this is on that Dylan Thomas swag anway, so all that's beside the point. All I'm saying is ... 5:30 pm in Atlanta on a Friday? With the traffic in this town? Not even joking -- I'd bet you could get better attendance at midnight on a Wednesday. Winnipeg hockey fans want this rally to be as big of a flop as possible. Unless you guys don't want to crack triple digits, don't hold this thing right in the middle of rush hour. And don't use that number of Attendees on your Facebook page as justification for staying the course. More than half of those people are going to prove to be E-supporters, not participants. Again, that's not a comment on Atlanta's hockey devotion -- that's the reality of planning events like this anywhere for any cause. Actually, clicking through the names, some of those Attendees are Winnipeg trolls anyway, who've only recently acquired electricity in their state of Nova Scotia and sort of hope they'll actually get an NFL team as a part of the deal. Let them keep embarassing themselves. The can blame it on traffic all they want, when their goal is to raise $500 and the youtube video only has 10 hits, it will just seem pathetic that they are blaming it all on traffic! PS - Either their fans suck (which we all know is true) or Atlanta is a god-awful place to live since they apparantly don't have public transportation and roads are so congested it is apparantly physically impossible to get from Point A to Point B... looks like Winnipeg isn't such a bad place to play after all... at least the players can get home after the games!
|
|
DrGui
Veteran Member
Posts: 227
|
Post by DrGui on Feb 22, 2011 15:21:29 GMT -5
The Thrashers have fans?? Oh ... O.K. I missed it. Me Bad. ;D
|
|
|
Post by wpgmike on Feb 22, 2011 15:33:54 GMT -5
'Save The Thrashers' Rally Should Be Rescheduled To A More Atlanta Time by Jason Kirk • Feb 22, 2011 2:22 PM EST That "Save the Thrashers" rally, organized on Facebook and planned for the two hours before Friday night's 7:30 game, is going to be an embarrassment for Atlanta Thrashers fans unless it's pushed back to some time on the weekend, and preferably not this weekend. Besides the fact that its organizers are trying to put together a show of force in only a handful of days, there's quite possibly not a worse time to attempt to gather Atlantans than 5:30 pm on a Friday. I'm not trying to belittle the effort or the spirit behind it. Any time a team threatens a move, this kind of thing sprouts up. Highly doubt any of them have ever succeeded, but a rally like this is on that Dylan Thomas swag anway, so all that's beside the point. All I'm saying is ... 5:30 pm in Atlanta on a Friday? With the traffic in this town? Not even joking -- I'd bet you could get better attendance at midnight on a Wednesday. Winnipeg hockey fans want this rally to be as big of a flop as possible. Unless you guys don't want to crack triple digits, don't hold this thing right in the middle of rush hour. LOL! AAAAANNNNDDDD the excuses start!!!! Love the fact the excuses start prior to the embarassment!
|
|
|
Post by No Longer Cautious! on Feb 22, 2011 15:43:28 GMT -5
The Keep the Thrashers folks have made a new video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsg14vsGNcAs a fan who has been through this I feel for them as someone who works in film/video I'm embarrassed for them. Seriously a video with the quality of a high school english project is not going to entice anyone. If it wasn't against my interests I'd offer my services. Funniest piece of crap I have ever seen...opinions and garbage...no numbers as usual because that little guy has no clue what the numbers mean. Argues about reputation of losing the team yet he isn't putting up millions in losses nor is he willing to be a taxpayer that absorbs the losses if the were to be guaranteed by government...He says "The Winnipeg Thrashers just doesn't sound right"...thanks for the tip you pathetic wimp....
|
|
|
Post by Trent Steele on Feb 22, 2011 15:51:03 GMT -5
The Keep the Thrashers folks have made a new video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsg14vsGNcAs a fan who has been through this I feel for them as someone who works in film/video I'm embarrassed for them. Seriously a video with the quality of a high school english project is not going to entice anyone. If it wasn't against my interests I'd offer my services. Funniest piece of crap I have ever seen...opinions and garbage...no numbers as usual because that little guy has no clue what the numbers mean. Argues about reputation of losing the team yet he isn't putting up millions in losses nor is he willing to be a taxpayer that absorbs the losses if the were to be guaranteed by government...He says "The Winnipeg Thrashers just doesn't sound right"...thanks for the tip you pathetic wimp.... Isn't one of the Cities AAA teams is called the Winnipeg Thrashers.
|
|
|
Post by CravenMoorhead on Feb 22, 2011 16:11:21 GMT -5
Let them have their rally. But please people, QUIT trolling their Facebook page. Its an embarrassment to us Winnipeggers! Trying to deliberately agitate their fans is childish to say the least. Its just like Krux on the G&M or the Freep....or some on here on Azcentral. We can mock the rally on here! Exactly, there are maybe 2 posters from Winnipeg and the one Atlanta support says "note all the hate from Winnipeg" The people in Phoenix absolutely hate us because a couple bad apples can't stay out of their business and let them discuss their team in their own ways. I got banned and removed from Coyotes Corner for simply being from Manitoba because some other shmuck started causing crap. When talking to the admin at at the site, his reply to me was simple..."Although you have never caused any problems here, its important to us to keep it civil around here." That is not word for word, but basically I got kicked out for being associated with the idiots. I am one of the biggest Return of the NHL supporters out there. But I am also a fan of hockey and up until about 3 months ago I was a coyotes fan. Until the people in Phoenix choose to hate me cause of my geographical location. I have old friends who wont even talk to me cause I am now the enemy. All because 2 or 3 people had to go start causing problems. Let these people have their rally. Let them have their counsel meetings. Get angry and make fun of them in a more private setting or here on THIS forum if you must. If their fans want to come here and post, disagree with them all you want, but don't troll their sites, it makes the rest of us look bad. A guy by the name of Blackthorne was infamous for going on other forums and antagonizing the members.
|
|
|
Post by chad77 on Feb 22, 2011 16:13:37 GMT -5
Funniest piece of crap I have ever seen...opinions and garbage...no numbers as usual because that little guy has no clue what the numbers mean. Argues about reputation of losing the team yet he isn't putting up millions in losses nor is he willing to be a taxpayer that absorbs the losses if the were to be guaranteed by government...He says "The Winnipeg Thrashers just doesn't sound right"...thanks for the tip you pathetic wimp.... Isn't one of the Cities AAA teams is called the Winnipeg Thrashers. Yes they are AAA Midget. Someone posted there website under one of the threads. They just finished the year with the best record in Midget AAA
|
|