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Post by justinflyer on Jan 10, 2011 21:14:14 GMT -5
I know nothing's certain but let's face it. Over the next couple years there's a REAL chance Phoenix and Atlanta are going to have to relocate and after that who knows who else might be struggling in bad markets.
My question is this. Hypothetically let's say 1 team from the west relocates and 1 from the East Relocates. If PHX were to relocate to Winnipeg it would be easy for realignment.
However, what if Atlanta moved to Quebec? Who would be in the "Southeast" conference? There are no teams really even remotely close to being able to play in that division.
And what if Atlanta moved to Winnipeg? Even if you say OK let's throw Detroit back in the East, you add another team to the crowded Northeast division, a division with zero struggling teams.
You can't split up the Atlantic with teams that have long time rivalries.
How can the NHL possibly re-align by geographical locations? I don't see how it can work, without going back to the way it used to be.
If they keep it by geography it will screw up the # of games played and probably cheapen rivalries and the # of games vs. divisional opponents
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Post by Douggy-D on Jan 10, 2011 21:20:35 GMT -5
Maybe if Atlanta leaves the NHL could just eliminate the Southeast division.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Jan 10, 2011 21:22:59 GMT -5
Minny to Central
Nashville to Southeast
Winnipeg to Northwest
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Post by ReJ40 on Jan 10, 2011 21:33:14 GMT -5
The only half-reasonable option that I can see, is this:
---EAST---
Northeast - Montreal, Quebec, Ottawa, Buffalo, Toronto
Atlantic - NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Boston, New Jersey, Washington
Southeast - Tampa Bay, Florida, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia
---WEST---
Northwest - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota
Pacific - Los Angeles, San Jose, Dallas, Colorado, Anaheim
Central - St Louis, Columbus, Chicago, Detroit, Nashville
Or, if they put Toronto in the west, and Nashville in the East....
---EAST---
Northeast - Montreal, Quebec, Ottawa, Buffalo, Boston
Atlantic - NY Islanders, NY Rangers, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Southeast - Tampa Bay, Florida, Carolina, Nashville, Washington
---WEST---
Northwest - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Minnesota
Pacific - Los Angeles, San Jose, Dallas, Colorado, Anaheim
Central - St Louis, Columbus, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto
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Post by justinflyer on Jan 10, 2011 21:42:53 GMT -5
Let's not forget what Bettman is all about.. No way he puts Pitt/Philly in the Southeast...I don't see them touching the Atlantic at all...
If just ATL were to move to WPG Ness's option is perfect though
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Post by wpgmike on Jan 10, 2011 21:43:50 GMT -5
WOW?!?
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Post by roosta604 on Jan 19, 2011 16:34:35 GMT -5
Real fun to think about eh lol I hope we open up the schedule with a Canadian NW swing (after a few games at home for the Winnipeggers of course  ) |
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Post by neufeld on Jan 19, 2011 16:53:07 GMT -5
Does everyteam now have a private plane, or are they slumming it with the common folk? I remember a few years back one of the reasons I heard against a team being here was how hard it was for the team to catch flights/reconnect, etc.
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Post by roosta604 on Jan 19, 2011 17:00:36 GMT -5
Isn't a new airport to be completed soon?
I dont know if that means they are busier or if its just a really old current building, but assuming a new airport makes things generally easier lol?
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Post by veddhedd on Feb 14, 2011 11:49:19 GMT -5
If Atl packed up for Winnipeg tomorrow, I dont see them realigining until the Quebec situation is figured out. Winnipeg would play there for a few years, and then move. As of right now, the two most likely teams to move are the Isles and the Thrashers. I dont see PHX going anywhere yet, but that could change by lunchtime. Eventually, I see a 32 team league, with 8 team divisions.
Phil
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Car
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Tor
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Hartford
Chi
StL
Det
Minn
Nash
Winnipeg
Dal
Columbus
SJ
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ANA
Van
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Post by Conan on Feb 14, 2011 12:53:27 GMT -5
If Atl packed up for Winnipeg tomorrow, I dont see them realigining until the Quebec situation is figured out. Winnipeg would play there for a few years, and then move. As of right now, the two most likely teams to move are the Isles and the Thrashers. I dont see PHX going anywhere yet, but that could change by lunchtime. Eventually, I see a 32 team league, with 8 team divisions. Phil Pitt NY NJ Was TB Car FL Bos Quebec Mon Buff Tor Ott TOR 2/Hamilton Hartford Chi StL Det Minn Nash Winnipeg Dal Columbus SJ LA ANA Van Edm Cal Colorado Phoenix You're saying Winnipeg would play for a couple of years in the Southeast? No chance. It would have to be Winnipeg to the Northwest, Nashville to the Southeast for sure. After that, it could be Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the Pacific or Minnesota to the Central. |
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Post by bcmike on Feb 14, 2011 13:21:14 GMT -5
Does everyteam now have a private plane, or are they slumming it with the common folk? I remember a few years back one of the reasons I heard against a team being here was how hard it was for the team to catch flights/reconnect, etc. I'm pretty sure the teams all charter their own jets (no pun intended). I know for a fact the Canucks do. |
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Post by teamjetskurt on Feb 14, 2011 20:34:59 GMT -5
If Atl packed up for Winnipeg tomorrow, I dont see them realigining until the Quebec situation is figured out. Winnipeg would play there for a few years, and then move. As of right now, the two most likely teams to move are the Isles and the Thrashers. I dont see PHX going anywhere yet, but that could change by lunchtime. Eventually, I see a 32 team league, with 8 team divisions. Phil Pitt NY NJ Was TB Car FL Bos Quebec Mon Buff Tor Ott TOR 2/Hamilton Hartford Chi StL Det Minn Nash Winnipeg Dal Columbus SJ LA ANA Van Edm Cal Colorado Phoenix You're saying Winnipeg would play for a couple of years in the Southeast? No chance. It would have to be Winnipeg to the Northwest, Nashville to the Southeast for sure. After that, it could be Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the Pacific or Minnesota to the Central. Winnipeg would have to be in the same division as Van, Calgary, Edmonton....Man i miss hating those teams!! |
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Post by ducky75 on Feb 16, 2011 17:03:48 GMT -5
Detroit has been wanting back in the east for years, so it makes sense if they move east to fill Atlanta's hole, though geographically it could be Nashville moving over to the SouthEast. Either way it leaves a hole in the Central Division.
Winnipeg moves into the Northwest obviously. So who moves into the Central? Colorado or Minnesota? My preference would be the Avs because o the Natural rivalry that could develop btween Manitoba and Minnesota, but the Wild moving to the Central makes more sense geographically.
It could also be Vancouver to the Pacific, and Phoenix to our division, with the Wild heading to the Central,and maybe Detroit and Toronto switching spots,with Nashville going to the Southeast
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Post by Z on Feb 16, 2011 20:54:04 GMT -5
Assuming Atlanta -> Winnipeg, this is my preference:
Vancouver, LA, San Jose, Anaheim, Phoenix, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado
Winnipeg, Minnesota, St. Louis, Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Detroit
Columbus, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, Boston
Islanders, Rangers, New Jersey, Philly, Washington, Tampa, Florida, Carolina
Rename them Smythe, Norris, Adams and Patrick respectively.
Columbus is further east than Detroit, and is closer to Pittsburgh than Pittsburgh is to Philly. In fact, Philly is almost twice as far.
Note the time zone breakdown in the west. Pacific and Mountain in the Smythe, Central in the Norris. Lots of away games at 9:30 sucks. We will still have rivalries with the Canucks, Oilers and Flames, because we're all Canadian.
4 teams from each division make the playoffs. There always seems to be a weak third place team squeaking in and losing in the first round. I think this builds stronger rivalries. Detroit-Colorado used to be the best rivalry in the league. But they haven't met up in a meaningful game in a long time. That rivalry is kinda dead. 4th and 5th place should also have to play each other for the final playoff spot. A best of 3. This gives the poorer teams one last gasp, and likely create some extra intra-divisional hate. Writers like to defend bad hockey markets by saying the team stinks, they never make the playoffs, so of course no one supports it. Well, here is one more step to counter that.
The schedule would be altered to see more of the divisional rivals throughout the season, with at least a home and away against each non-divisional opponent. But primarily against the division.
If you keep the six divisions, then I think Columbus and Detroit stay west, send Nashville to the southeast. Send Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the southwest and Winnipeg to the northwest. But the six division format sucks. Scrap it.
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Post by NewJets on Feb 18, 2011 16:57:37 GMT -5
Ahem.
Note to divisional realigners -- the team will be "Manitoba" not Winnipeg.
Thanks.
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Post by Z on Feb 18, 2011 19:47:02 GMT -5
Does it matter here? You get the picture.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Feb 19, 2011 11:34:47 GMT -5
I am opposed to the idea of Detroit going East as it will leave Chicago as the ONLY Original Six franchise in the West.... I'd definitely rather Columbus go east! I'm sure they'll fit in better somehow out there than in the West...  And I oppose separating Minnesota and Winnipeg. Sounds selfish possibly but Minnesota is the NEAREST opponent for Winnipeg and it will help cut the travel budget of the Jets by having Minnesota in their division (whether its the Central or Northwest)... Plus it will be a win-win for everyone if Seattle got its act together and Vancouver gets moved to the Pacific and these two cities would surely and gladly get on each other's throats on ice at least six nights each year! Should that happen, then there can be a Northwest Division of Winnipeg, Minnesota, Colorado, Edmonton and Calgary! However I would not be opposed to a Winnipeg, Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis Central Division. This would mean both Vancouver and Seattle playing in the Northwest along with Colorado and the two Albertan teams! Besides Winnipeg will get plenty of exposure south of the border in this scenario because both Chicago and Detroit are in that division! |
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Feb 19, 2011 11:37:45 GMT -5
Assuming Atlanta -> Winnipeg, this is my preference: Vancouver, LA, San Jose, Anaheim, Phoenix, Calgary, Edmonton, Colorado Winnipeg, Minnesota, St. Louis, Dallas, Chicago, Nashville, Detroit Columbus, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Montreal, Boston Islanders, Rangers, New Jersey, Philly, Washington, Tampa, Florida, Carolina Rename them Smythe, Norris, Adams and Patrick respectively. Columbus is further east than Detroit, and is closer to Pittsburgh than Pittsburgh is to Philly. In fact, Philly is almost twice as far. Note the time zone breakdown in the west. Pacific and Mountain in the Smythe, Central in the Norris. Lots of away games at 9:30 sucks. We will still have rivalries with the Canucks, Oilers and Flames, because we're all Canadian. 4 teams from each division make the playoffs. There always seems to be a weak third place team squeaking in and losing in the first round. I think this builds stronger rivalries. Detroit-Colorado used to be the best rivalry in the league. But they haven't met up in a meaningful game in a long time. That rivalry is kinda dead. 4th and 5th place should also have to play each other for the final playoff spot. A best of 3. This gives the poorer teams one last gasp, and likely create some extra intra-divisional hate. Writers like to defend bad hockey markets by saying the team stinks, they never make the playoffs, so of course no one supports it. Well, here is one more step to counter that. The schedule would be altered to see more of the divisional rivals throughout the season, with at least a home and away against each non-divisional opponent. But primarily against the division. If you keep the six divisions, then I think Columbus and Detroit stay west, send Nashville to the southeast. Send Dallas to the Central, Colorado to the southwest and Winnipeg to the northwest. But the six division format sucks. Scrap it. I don't mind the idea of having just two divisions per conference at all either! Perhaps it will make everyone happier in the end! |
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