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Post by Douggy-D on Dec 13, 2010 18:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by jhendrix70 on Dec 13, 2010 18:44:53 GMT -5
No, what do you think....
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Post by Douggy-D on Dec 13, 2010 19:02:01 GMT -5
Phoenix to Winnipeg Atlanta to Quebec City Columbus to Milwaukee or Portland Florida to Hamilton or Hartford
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Post by jhendrix70 on Dec 13, 2010 19:11:28 GMT -5
Yours is better.
I personally much rather have Atlanta over Phoenix however, I'll take anything at this point. Also; even though I DO NOT want to see the Islanders move; it may be required. Where should that franchise go?
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Post by Douggy-D on Dec 13, 2010 19:28:42 GMT -5
Yours is better. I personally much rather have Atlanta over Phoenix however, I'll take anything at this point. Also; even though I DO NOT want to see the Islanders move; it may be required. Where should that franchise go? If they go they should go to maybe Kansas City, they're not really part of the South in contrast to what many of us believe, they get plenty of snow there. I'm not saying that it's a city like Winnipeg, QC, or Hamilton that is begging for a team, but they could give it a try, or maybe Seattle, if they get a new arena there. Where do you think Phoenix will go in 3-7 years if this sale goes through and Winnipeg already has a team by then (Other than Quebec City)?
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Post by Comrade Fox on Dec 13, 2010 21:16:14 GMT -5
Phoenix/Atlanta ---> Winnipeg Other one ---> Quebec City Tampa Bay ---> Hartford Florida ---> Portland IF no new arena/renos: NY Islanders ---> Maritimes Regional Team
Hamilton Expansion Team Seattle Expansion Team (IF a new arena is built, playing a couple seasons at KeyArena)
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Post by sledlen on Dec 13, 2010 21:22:02 GMT -5
beside back here (WPG) I would like to see a team in Seattle...but is there any interest there? Talkl about a great rivalry with Vancouver and both Alberta teams...!!
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Post by Douggy-D on Dec 14, 2010 16:47:24 GMT -5
Phoenix/Atlanta ---> Winnipeg Other one ---> Quebec City Tampa Bay ---> Hartford Florida ---> Portland IF no new arena/renos: NY Islanders ---> Maritimes Regional Team Hamilton Expansion Team Seattle Expansion Team (IF a new arena is built, playing a couple seasons at KeyArena) It's ironic that you say that Tampa Bay should go to Hartford because the Lightning are the team that played the Whalers in their last game in Hartford and their first game as the Carolina Hurricanes (That was in Tampa Bay though). Halifax isn't populated enough for a team, the article on here that was posted earlier said that you need at least 700,000 people in your Metropolitan Area to be able to support a team, I don't even think Halifax has 400,000, and where else would they play in the Maretimes?
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Post by jetsorbust on Dec 14, 2010 16:53:26 GMT -5
I agree, not that I wouldn't like to see a maritimes team but I just don't think it would work long term. You need to have population within a close region, and they simply don't.
Maybe some day when I'm old and grey, but unfortunately not yet!
I do agree all those teams need to move though, that is for sure.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Dec 14, 2010 16:57:58 GMT -5
Phoenix/Atlanta ---> Winnipeg Other one ---> Quebec City Tampa Bay ---> Hartford Florida ---> Portland IF no new arena/renos: NY Islanders ---> Maritimes Regional Team Hamilton Expansion Team Seattle Expansion Team (IF a new arena is built, playing a couple seasons at KeyArena) It's ironic that you say that Tampa Bay should go to Hartford because the Lightning are the team that played the Whalers in their last game in Hartford and their first game as the Carolina Hurricanes (That was in Tampa Bay though). Halifax isn't populated enough for a team, the article on here that was posted earlier said that you need at least 700,000 people in your Metropolitan Area to be able to support a team, I don't even think Halifax has 400,000, and where else would they play in the Maretimes? It's a regional team. People from all over Atlantic Canada will want to see them. Plus it's the birthplace of hockey. By the way, What would we Do with the Mooseheads, T-Birds, and Winterhawks if that became reality?
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Post by ReJ40 on Jan 22, 2011 9:50:19 GMT -5
I can tell you that an Atlantic Canadian NHL team would probobly NOT work. Here is why..
I looked long and hard at the population of the region in relation to CFL expansion last year, and I find CFL needs a "regional" population, while the NHL needs a "metro" population due to the more frequent games. Moncton (alghough only 125,000 metro) has 1.29 million people within 2.5 hours drive. For 9 CFL games a year + playoffs, that is very possible.
Halifax only has ~800,000 people within 2.5 hours drive, but they have the bigger metro (390,000). The way the population is spread they would be better suited for NHL, but the metro would have to more than double in size for it to work.
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Post by WJG on Jan 22, 2011 13:12:23 GMT -5
PHX -> WPG ATL -> QC
That's all I think we'll see for a while. But in the future, I could see:
NYI -> KC NSH -> HAM
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Post by Douggy-D on Jan 22, 2011 14:45:40 GMT -5
PHX -> WPG ATL -> QC That's all I think we'll see for a while. But in the future, I could see: NYI -> KC NSH -> HAM Nashville is drawing 16,000 per game, and it doesn't really look as though they're lieing about the figures. Unless they bottom out for a while, I don't see them moving any time soon.
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Post by Comrade Fox on Jan 22, 2011 16:32:10 GMT -5
I MIGHT make a video about this in the future. I have WBS tix tonight and tomorrow so I cant do it this weekend, Monday AT THE EARLIEST.
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Post by Conky on Jan 24, 2011 2:03:58 GMT -5
Phoenix ---> Winnipeg Florida ---> Quebec City Carolina ---> Hartford Tampa Bay ---> Seattle Atlanta ---> Saskatoon Nashville ---> Houston (as in Houston, Texas) Columbus ---> Cleveland
New Divisions: Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg Pacific: Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado Central: Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Dallas
Northeast: Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec, Boston, Hartford Atlantic: NYR, NYI, Washington, Philadelphia, New Jersey Great Lakes: Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh
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Post by Tony Season Tickets on Jan 24, 2011 9:32:51 GMT -5
Phoenix ---> Winnipeg Florida ---> Quebec City Carolina ---> Hartford Tampa Bay ---> Seattle Atlanta ---> Saskatoon Nashville ---> Houston (as in Houston, Texas) Columbus ---> Cleveland New Divisions: Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg Pacific: Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado Central: Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Dallas Northeast: Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec, Boston, Hartford Atlantic: NYR, NYI, Washington, Philadelphia, New Jersey Great Lakes: Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh Houston is not an NHL market... Have you ever been there? Saskatoon? We would love to see that but they will have to prove they can support an AHL team first.
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Post by Conky on Jan 24, 2011 12:36:47 GMT -5
Phoenix ---> Winnipeg Florida ---> Quebec City Carolina ---> Hartford Tampa Bay ---> Seattle Atlanta ---> Saskatoon Nashville ---> Houston (as in Houston, Texas) Columbus ---> Cleveland New Divisions: Northwest: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon, Winnipeg Pacific: Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Colorado Central: Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Dallas Northeast: Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec, Boston, Hartford Atlantic: NYR, NYI, Washington, Philadelphia, New Jersey Great Lakes: Toronto, Buffalo, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh Houston is not an NHL market... Have you ever been there? Saskatoon? We would love to see that but they will have to prove they can support an AHL team first. I wouldn't exactly say Houston is an NHL market either, but that's what they said about Dallas and San Jose. They turned out okay, right? They have a good arena in place and the people there are familiar with the game, the Aeros have been there since the days of the WHA and Gordie Howe. I think it could work with the right management. As for Saskatoon, we have a good arena in place, about the same size as the MTS Centre. If Cameco or PotashCorp or Whitecap First Nation form an ownership group we have that out of the way. As for size and economy, I still believe Saskatoon is too small on its own. But then you have places like Warman, Martensville and Grasswood surrounding the city, plus another 150,000+ within an hour drive, and the whole province backing the team. Just like how the people of Manitoba support the Jets, the people of Saskatchewan would get behind their team instantly. Honestly, lets face it. Saskatoon is a better hockey market than Atlanta, Phoenix or Miami. You could average 13000 in Saskatoon (85% capacity) every night and it would be much better than 8000 (43%) in Atlanta. But yes I agree, the AHL needs to come here first. That should be our first step to the NHL.
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Post by maizewings on Jan 24, 2011 16:42:28 GMT -5
Houston has had sub-par attendance with their NBA team (that has won 2 championships) in a new arena, why would anyone think they can support an NHL team?
Seattle can support a team but they first have to build a new arena and hope the NBA brings back the Sonics. It is almost impossible to fund a new arena in a large market city without having NHL/NBA teams sharing it. Just look at Ilitch and how he tried to buy the Pistons just to move them back downtown in order to get a new arena for the Wings.
Conseco is very small for hockey. Arena's like Conseco and Key Arena in Seattle were design around the basketball court, so all the seats are really close in. Coyotes had the same problem with America West Arena which is why they moved to Glendale.
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Post by Douggy-D on Jan 24, 2011 17:29:16 GMT -5
Houston has had sub-par attendance with their NBA team (that has won 2 championships) in a new arena, why would anyone think they can support an NHL team? Seattle can support a team but they first have to build a new arena and hope the NBA brings back the Sonics. It is almost impossible to fund a new arena in a large market city without having NHL/NBA teams sharing it. Just look at Ilitch and how he tried to buy the Pistons just to move them back downtown in order to get a new arena for the Wings. Conseco is very small for hockey. Arena's like Conseco and Key Arena in Seattle were design around the basketball court, so all the seats are really close in. Coyotes had the same problem with America West Arena which is why they moved to Glendale. The Rockets don't have attendance problems, they're usually towards the middle of the pack. And what does that have to do with whether or not that they can support an NHL team? Basically what you're saying is that since Vancouver lost the Grizzlies that it should lose the Canucks too. Maybe a team in Seattle could get an ownership group that has the money to build a new arena on its own to get the Sonics back or to get a Hockey team to come there. It doesn't say on Wikipedia, but how many seats does Conseco Fieldhouse have for hockey?
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Post by Comrade Fox on Jan 24, 2011 17:40:01 GMT -5
Why not have Baltimore if they can get a new arena and ownership group?
I miss their AHL days.... the rafters at 1st Mariner Arena still echo
"WIN IT YOU BALTIMORE CLIPPERS/SKIPJACKS/BANDITS."
They were well supported in the AHL, why not the NHL? It would be a FANTASTIC rivalry with Washington....
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