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Post by Conan on Nov 15, 2010 20:20:40 GMT -5
Sounds like Quebec City is going to be getting a rink built very soon: hilltimes.com/page/view/votes-11-15-2010This relates to the Winnipeg movement and is news partially because of what Daly has said in recent days, that Winnipeg will very likely be the next city to get an NHL team. Two or three years from now when we look back it'll all be so obvious. Why would the second team in line solidify plans to build a rink if the first time in line wasn't ridiculously close to getting a team? The house of cards will soon fall for the NHL and we could see teams on their way out sooner rather than later. Who knows if Phoenix will be one of them, but there are far more troubled franchises than stupid billionaires these days.
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Post by tp2005 on Nov 18, 2010 12:07:23 GMT -5
Maybe I am mistaken, but given the similar populations of Quebec and Winnipeg, as well as the higher population of surrounding areas in Quebec, a new arena in Quebec City could severely put a damper on Winnipegs chances and may drop them down to #2 on the relocation block.
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Post by jetsorbust on Nov 18, 2010 12:37:56 GMT -5
Maybe I am mistaken, but given the similar populations of Quebec and Winnipeg, as well as the higher population of surrounding areas in Quebec, a new arena in Quebec City could severely put a damper on Winnipegs chances and may drop them down to #2 on the relocation block. I don't like it, but I would have to agree. However, I don't think it's exactly a foregone conclusion that they will have a new arena any time soon, nor an owner to bring a team here. Right now they want the government to pay oodles of money for a team. I can't quite see the feds doing that. Then if they do get the arena built, they have to find an owner willing to buy an NHL team, without (presumably) having the same type of revenue streams as owners who own their building. Right now they are far far away, but I would unfortunately agree that they would pass us if they somehow manage to get a palace built and a willing owner in place.
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Post by Douggy-D on Nov 18, 2010 16:05:36 GMT -5
Maybe I am mistaken, but given the similar populations of Quebec and Winnipeg, as well as the higher population of surrounding areas in Quebec, a new arena in Quebec City could severely put a damper on Winnipegs chances and may drop them down to #2 on the relocation block. I don't like it, but I would have to agree. However, I don't think it's exactly a foregone conclusion that they will have a new arena any time soon, nor an owner to bring a team here. Right now they want the government to pay oodles of money for a team. I can't quite see the feds doing that. Then if they do get the arena built, they have to find an owner willing to buy an NHL team, without (presumably) having the same type of revenue streams as owners who own their building. Right now they are far far away, but I would unfortunately agree that they would pass us if they somehow manage to get a palace built and a willing owner in place. The owner they have who is trying to give the team is the Quebecor ownership group headed by Pierre Karl-Peladeau. That should be a really nice building, if I ever visit Quebec City watching my Devils (Or it could be anybody) play a game there would be at the top of my list. Who knows, they may even get a team next year if it's confirmed that they're getting a new building, if Winnipeg gets the Coyotes, the Thrashers could play at Colisee while that arena is under construction.
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Post by jetsorbust on Nov 18, 2010 16:21:51 GMT -5
I don't like it, but I would have to agree. However, I don't think it's exactly a foregone conclusion that they will have a new arena any time soon, nor an owner to bring a team here. Right now they want the government to pay oodles of money for a team. I can't quite see the feds doing that. Then if they do get the arena built, they have to find an owner willing to buy an NHL team, without (presumably) having the same type of revenue streams as owners who own their building. Right now they are far far away, but I would unfortunately agree that they would pass us if they somehow manage to get a palace built and a willing owner in place. The owner they have who is trying to give the team is the Quebecor ownership group headed by Pierre Karl-Peladeau. That should be a really nice building, if I ever visit Quebec City watching my Devils (Or it could be anybody) play a game there would be at the top of my list. Who knows, they may even get a team next year if it's confirmed that they're getting a new building, if Winnipeg gets the Coyotes, the Thrashers could play at Colisee while that arena is under construction. I more or less agree with you, except that Quebecor is not "the owner they have" they are simply a business that has publicly stated they would be interested in being the owner. Right now they don't have the financing for an arena, a potential owner who has put even a penny into anything to get a team, NHL approval, etc. All I'm saying is if they get this palace built and there truly is someone willing to buy and operate an NHL team even though they don't own the arena (time and time again proven not to be a good business model even in a good market), that Winnipeg would probably (or at the very least possibly) slide to #2 in line. But that is certainly far from complete, since right now there is no money for an arena and no bona fide owner. So by the time they are ready to be a real NHL option, I would hope the Jets are safely back in the 'Peg!
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 22, 2010 14:33:13 GMT -5
Why are they even bothering with this is its going to cost Harper big time.
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Post by flippy on Nov 22, 2010 15:29:04 GMT -5
Doesn't look like Quebec City is going to be getting federal funding for that new arena after all... www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Ottawa+pulls+suport+Edmonton+Expo/3867429/story.htmlOttawa pulls support for Edmonton Expo bidDon Martin, National Post · Sunday, Nov. 21, 2010 OTTAWA — The federal government showed rare fiscal backbone on Monday as it yanked its support for Edmonton’s Expo 2017 bid. The federal move to deny support for Edmonton’s pitch to host the $2.3-billion celebration also averts the awkward financing of a professional hockey arena in Quebec City to save vulnerable seats in the region, sources say.Without a federal partner, Premier Ed Stelmach declares the bid dead, denying Alberta the national hosting rights for Canada’s 150th birthday celebration. Edmonton’s mayor is furious and vows to target Conservative MPs in the next election, one MP confided. The Edmonton ask was $700-million excluding security costs which, if the G-8 and G-20 summit hosting nightmare was any indication, will spiral far above the construction budget. The choice of sacrificial lamb for the new funding policy was interesting. By making the Conservative’s home base the first to suffer a federal pullback from funding professional or event sports facilities, the government hopes to inoculate itself from the backlash in other cities seeking new hockey arenas or covered football stadiums. At least that’s the plan for a Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who may well lose a handful of seats if the firm position against all sports venue funding applications sticks until the next election. It will be a very hard sell in Quebec City where a handful of Conservative MPs wore Quebec Nordiques hockey jerseys in a show of political support for a project needing almost $200-million in federal partnership funding. But with Calgary, Edmonton, Regina and other smaller cities lining up for cash after the feds pledged to treat all funding requests fairly if it financed the Quebec project, the Prime Minister ordered the government to close the vault to all requests. “The idea we would even contemplate funding a Quebec City hockey arena is now nonsense,” confided one Conservative MP. “We should focus government on things that matter. If we take that principled position, we will face no backlash anywhere.” The overwhelming sentiment outside of Quebec was to deny federal tax dollars for a project that was also the centrepiece of its bid for its Winter Olympic Games. How this will impact on Toronto’s hosting of the 2015 Pan-Am Games is open to question because the project is approved although security estimates suggest the cost will exceed the billion-dollar tab for G8-G20 security.
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Post by jetsorbust on Nov 22, 2010 15:38:44 GMT -5
Interesting... very interesting. I think we all assumed Quebec was not getting the whole $200 Million for a while now. But this suggests they would be hard pressed to get much federal funding at all.
Can't say I'm too upset... Winnipeg didn't get handed an arena so I never liked the idea of Quebec getting one. Let's get the Jets back though and then we can worry about getting the nordiques back!
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Nov 22, 2010 17:19:37 GMT -5
If the Quebec government thinks this is so worthwhile, let them fund it as a private/public investment.
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Post by Dante_X on Nov 23, 2010 18:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by Douggy-D on Nov 23, 2010 22:04:45 GMT -5
^I hope those reports are true. I really don't get why they need the arena to be $400 million, they could just get it for 150-200 million or something like that.
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Post by 14pac03 on Nov 23, 2010 22:09:09 GMT -5
The arena to be 360 million
Provincial: 170 million Quebec City: 50 million Private: 60 million J'ai ma place(private) 15 million
Need 65 million now
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 24, 2010 22:10:27 GMT -5
Does anyone really see this happening? One day they want the fed gov to hand over 50% the next day its a different plan. This whole thing will fall apart.
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Post by WpgJets2008 on Nov 24, 2010 22:41:14 GMT -5
The arena to be 360 million Provincial: 170 million Quebec City: 50 million Private: 60 million J'ai ma place(private) 15 million Need 65 million now Quebecor kicks in the $60 million plus the $65 million shortfall, gets all event revenues including parking, and the deal is done. The NHL team owner gets his rink for only $125 million plus overruns. And the City of Quebec is back in business. As Winnipeg Jet fans, we have to understand that the same passion is also in Nordique country. And they inderstand that now is the time to strike while the "iron is hot". If the above is the funding arrangment than 90% chance this rink deal comes together with or without the Feds token donation of say $5 to $15 million. But by being totally realistic above, I can't fathom anyway that QC "queue jumps" Winnipeg's Chipman and Thomson ownership group. Full Stop. Chris PS> It's like watching a horse race with your buddy: He's bet on the second place horse and you've bet on the leader. Which one will come home first as they round the turn?!
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