teamjetskurt
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ahhh pfft Hawerchuk woulda had it!
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Post by teamjetskurt on Feb 9, 2011 9:35:37 GMT -5
Gotta be Winnipeg Jets... no question. All the kids who donated 5 dollars from their piggy banks to keep the team back in 96 are in their 30's now and have more money to spend. THATS MEEEE!!!! ;D     Nostalgia drives commerce, and team names with rich history entice nostalgia. New logo, new jersey, same name. Make the old jersey your alternate and you have a huge commercial success. People wont just buy byfuglien or bryzgalov jerseys but all the classic jets, selanne, khabby, steen, hull. No one will want to buy a Thomas Steen Winnipeg Polar Bear jersey. aahhhhh cute little polar bear! |
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teamjetskurt
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ahhh pfft Hawerchuk woulda had it!
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Post by teamjetskurt on Feb 9, 2011 9:36:23 GMT -5
wow, did I ever screw up that last post.....Rookie!
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teamjetskurt
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ahhh pfft Hawerchuk woulda had it!
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Post by teamjetskurt on Feb 9, 2011 9:38:43 GMT -5
wow, did I ever screw up that last post.....Rookie! On that note, Still use my VCR. I was @ the last Jets game, both regular season and playoffs, L.A, Detroit, But I also taped them too! Love the Memories! |
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Post by LT on Feb 9, 2011 12:02:42 GMT -5
BTW if they use Louise Riel in another anything in Manitoba I'm gonna puke especially a hockey team. I would seriously never in a million years be able to cheer for a team named that and Chipman is not that stupid. Come on Louise Riel give your head a shake!!!
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Post by jetsorbust on Feb 9, 2011 14:27:04 GMT -5
I can't. Despite all you mentioned, we all loved that team almost like a family member. There is a rich history that encompasses more than the NHL standings of the day. Tradition, brand recognition and loyalty takes time to build. Why start from scratch when it is unnecessary and, in fact, unwanted by a great number of your potential customers? Make no mistake, if the name is indeed changed, it is changed for personal reasons, not business reasons. immm preaty sure it will be for both reasons you listed. you can't tell me a new name/jersey would 'nt be a huge cash grab. You can't tell me that naming the team Winnipeg Jets, but giving an entirely new team logo, colours, new product lines (in line with what current NHL teams now have), etc wouldn't be a huge cash grab. Honestly, anyone too cheap to buy a new jersey when the 'Jets' come back with a new logo and colours isn't going to be forced to buy a jersey if say the 'Manitoba Mustangs' come into the NHL - any person too cheap will simply show up to games in a Winnipeg Jets jersey - everyone will still know who they are cheering for. And they will lose out on some business as well. You can't tell me they won't. I for one can tell you right now, I will buy season tickets as soon as is possible. But if the team name is not Winnipeg Jets, I'll be showing up to at LEAST the first season in one of my several Jets jerseys. If they name the team Jets, I'll be going ape-Go Jets Go on new Jets gear. Call me a "non-true fan" if you like, but I'm sure I'm not alone. There is simply nothing to be gained business-wise by going with a new name, for every pro I can think of at least one con and the simplest way to think about it is this: How could it be a bad business decision to give your customers what they overwhelmingly want? Which is - your WINNIPEG JETS! |
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Post by hui43210 on Feb 9, 2011 14:57:34 GMT -5
immm preaty sure it will be for both reasons you listed. you can't tell me a new name/jersey would 'nt be a huge cash grab. You can't tell me that naming the team Winnipeg Jets, but giving an entirely new team logo, colours, new product lines (in line with what current NHL teams now have), etc wouldn't be a huge cash grab. Honestly, anyone too cheap to buy a new jersey when the 'Jets' come back with a new logo and colours isn't going to be forced to buy a jersey if say the 'Manitoba Mustangs' come into the NHL - any person too cheap will simply show up to games in a Winnipeg Jets jersey - everyone will still know who they are cheering for. And they will lose out on some business as well. You can't tell me they won't. I for one can tell you right now, I will buy season tickets as soon as is possible. But if the team name is not Winnipeg Jets, I'll be showing up to at LEAST the first season in one of my several Jets jerseys. If they name the team Jets, I'll be going ape-Go Jets Go on new Jets gear. Call me a "non-true fan" if you like, but I'm sure I'm not alone. There is simply nothing to be gained business-wise by going with a new name, for every pro I can think of at least one con and the simplest way to think about it is this: How could it be a bad business decision to give your customers what they overwhelmingly want? Which is - your WINNIPEG JETS! i dont want winnipeg jets and most people i know don't want it ethier. |
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Post by tim on Feb 9, 2011 15:02:06 GMT -5
Mr Chipman when the Jets left I stopped watching NHL Hockey something that was like an religious occasion in my home. As of today I still have not watched a full 3 periods of an NHL hockey game. I have played hockey, my sons have played the game and I still as of today coach hockey, it's in my veins. But the day they left I said the only way I will watch or support the NHL again is if the Jets come back. This is the truth and I am not making this up to sound special, for me it won't be the same if the coyotes come back here and they are not named the JETS.
Not trying to sound disrespectful but hopefully you will see it our way!
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Post by jetsorbust on Feb 9, 2011 15:04:13 GMT -5
hui - That's fine, but it's hard to dispute that of the dozens of polls that have been done (on this site, the Free Press, the Sun, and several other places) the overwhelming first choice is for the name to be Jets.
If you and most people you know are in the minority who go the other way, that's fine, but I definately can say the majority of people want the name to be Jets
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Post by DKehler on Feb 9, 2011 15:29:55 GMT -5
You can't tell me that naming the team Winnipeg Jets, but giving an entirely new team logo, colours, new product lines (in line with what current NHL teams now have), etc wouldn't be a huge cash grab. Honestly, anyone too cheap to buy a new jersey when the 'Jets' come back with a new logo and colours isn't going to be forced to buy a jersey if say the 'Manitoba Mustangs' come into the NHL - any person too cheap will simply show up to games in a Winnipeg Jets jersey - everyone will still know who they are cheering for. And they will lose out on some business as well. You can't tell me they won't. I for one can tell you right now, I will buy season tickets as soon as is possible. But if the team name is not Winnipeg Jets, I'll be showing up to at LEAST the first season in one of my several Jets jerseys. If they name the team Jets, I'll be going ape-Go Jets Go on new Jets gear. Call me a "non-true fan" if you like, but I'm sure I'm not alone. There is simply nothing to be gained business-wise by going with a new name, for every pro I can think of at least one con and the simplest way to think about it is this: How could it be a bad business decision to give your customers what they overwhelmingly want? Which is - your WINNIPEG JETS! i dont want winnipeg jets and most people i know don't want it ethier. Yes, we all know of your fondness for your particular favourite prospective name. It seems like a lot of people have their own pet name. However, I highly suspect that the majority of people prefer the old Winnipeg Jets name. If you take the time to read the comments from my petition, you will see that people from all over loved, respected and would be loyal to that name. It is recognized around the world. That is something that is most certainly worth more than the initial rush of something "new" (which can be largely if not fully duplicated by simply issuing a new Jets logo/jerseys while at the same time keeping what most customers want). I'm basing my opinion on the tidbits of information that have been stated by people that are supposedly in the know, but it seems that Mark Chipman, for some reason, is the impetus behind the name change. Given that I cannot see a business case for a new name that surpasses keeping the old, I maintain that it must be something other than business (i.e. personal) that is driving that decision. Perhaps it is pride in the Moose or a bitterness in the whole way the Jets thing went down way back. Both of those reasons would be understandable, but are not, in my opinion, a reason to change the name. Go with Manitoba Jets if you must, but Jets it should be. |
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Post by hui43210 on Feb 9, 2011 15:49:18 GMT -5
it just, people's need to defend the jets name and demanding that that's what the name should be because they don't want change seems wrong to me. The fact that people are insulting Chipman when he will be bringing us the NHL seems very wrong to me. It just comes off to me that the whole jets name movement is just another case of the Winnipeg stereotype that opposes progress like the MTS center and like every new sports facility, or upgraded building, that gets built here. I see no reason why we can't honor the past while at the same time move into the future.
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Post by DKehler on Feb 9, 2011 16:08:46 GMT -5
it just, people's need to defend the jets name and demanding that that's what the name should be because they don't want change seems wrong to me. The fact that people are insulting Chipman when he will be bringing us the NHL seems very wrong to me. It just comes off to me that the whole jets name movement is just another case of the Winnipeg stereotype that opposes progress like the MTS center and like every new sports facility, or upgraded building, that gets built here. I see no reason why we can't honor the past while at the same time move into the future. Well, I hope you don't think I'm "insulting" Chipman by questioning his reasoning behind wanting to change the name. Again, I'm basing my statements on second or third hand information, so I may be completely off base because of faulty information. There may be a perfectly good and valid business reason that I have not heard as of yet. But as it stands, in my opinion, a name change is entirely unnecessary and, in fact, counterproductive, unlike, for example, tearing down the old Eatons building to make way for the MTS Centre. So I think your comparison with the anti-progress people is unwarranted. But you may have noticed something about me, I am not satisfied to be unquestioning of those in "authority". I realize that Mark Chipman and/or the moderators are human beings, and human beings have their own faults/biases as do I. I give respect where it is due, but I expect and demand no less than the same in return. |
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Post by hui43210 on Feb 9, 2011 16:19:45 GMT -5
it just, people's need to defend the jets name and demanding that that's what the name should be because they don't want change seems wrong to me. The fact that people are insulting Chipman when he will be bringing us the NHL seems very wrong to me. It just comes off to me that the whole jets name movement is just another case of the Winnipeg stereotype that opposes progress like the MTS center and like every new sports facility, or upgraded building, that gets built here. I see no reason why we can't honor the past while at the same time move into the future. Well, I hope you don't think I'm "insulting" Chipman by questioning his reasoning behind wanting to change the name. Again, I'm basing my statements on second or third hand information, so I may be completely off base because of faulty information. There may be a perfectly good and valid business reason that I have not heard as of yet. But as it stands, in my opinion, a name change is entirely unnecessary and, in fact, counterproductive, unlike, for example, tearing down the old Eatons building to make way for the MTS Centre. So I think your comparison with the anti-progress people is unwarranted. But you may have noticed something about me, I am not satisfied to be unquestioning of those in "authority". I realize that Mark Chipman and/or the moderators are human beings, and human beings have their own faults/biases as do I. I give respect where it is due, but I expect and demand no less than the same in return. for the reacord no, i don't think YOU are insulting chipman. others,maybe. |
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Post by Steener25 on Feb 9, 2011 16:27:12 GMT -5
Two different team names, two different logos, double the merchandise sold for the same team = 2 different revenue streams = more $$$$$$. Makes sense to me from a business point of view. It would be interesting to talk to some Wild fans on how long it took them to get over not being called the North Stars. Do they still see fans in North Star jerseys show up to Wild games?
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Post by whitecaps on Feb 9, 2011 16:47:45 GMT -5
if there must be a name change, o.k. Winnipeg to Manitoba only, but keep "JETS!!!!"
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Post by cheswick on Feb 9, 2011 16:52:38 GMT -5
if there must be a name change, o.k. Winnipeg to Manitoba only, but keep "JETS!!!!" I have the exact opposite opinion. If a name change is a must keep Winnipeg I could take or leave the Jets. When I told my girlfriend who is from Montreal that there was talk that if a team returned it would be called Manitoba she thought it was a real bad idea cause Manitoba isn't as recognizable as Winnipeg is |
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Post by DKehler on Feb 9, 2011 16:54:51 GMT -5
if there must be a name change, o.k. Winnipeg to Manitoba only, but keep "JETS!!!!" I have the exact opposite opinion. If a name change is a must keep Winnipeg I could take or leave the Jets. When I told my girlfriend who is from Montreal that there was talk that if a team returned it would be called Manitoba she thought it was a real bad idea cause Manitoba isn't as recognizable as Winnipeg is All right, I'm willing to compromise. Winnipeg Jets it is then.  |
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Post by whitecaps on Feb 9, 2011 17:55:49 GMT -5
DKehler, Thanks very much! Saves a lot of arguing!!!
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Post by wolfmannick on Feb 17, 2011 2:08:01 GMT -5
Only keep the Jets name if its the 'Yotes that move just because of history. If its the Thrashers?
Winnipeg Wolves?
Winnipeg Grey Wolves?
Manitoba Mounties?
Winnipeg White-Out?
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Post by DrGui on Feb 17, 2011 9:05:23 GMT -5
Only keep the Jets name if its the 'Yotes that move just because of history. If its the Thrashers? Winnipeg Wolves? Winnipeg Grey Wolves? Manitoba Mounties? Winnipeg White-Out? Winnipeg Thrashers - Nuff said |
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Post by curtwinnipeg on Feb 17, 2011 13:00:32 GMT -5
Only keep the Jets name if its the 'Yotes that move just because of history. If its the Thrashers? Winnipeg Wolves? Winnipeg Grey Wolves? Manitoba Mounties? Winnipeg White-Out? Winnipeg Thrashers - Nuff said See... to me that makes as much sense as the Utah Jazz. None. I know the Thrashers are named after a bird but I think of some skateboard riding kid who says "Dude" a lot when I hear Thrashers. If it won't be Jets make it original. |
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Nostalgia drives commerce, and team names with rich history entice nostalgia. New logo, new jersey, same name. Make the old jersey your alternate and you have a huge commercial success. People wont just buy byfuglien or bryzgalov jerseys but all the classic jets, selanne, khabby, steen, hull. No one will want to buy a Thomas Steen Winnipeg Polar Bear jersey.
