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Post by The Unknown Poster on May 9, 2010 2:12:58 GMT -5
THe conservatives were NOT to blame for the loss of the Jets. Filmon was willing to spend a lot more money than he publicly disclosed to keep the team here.
I bought a house for $169,000 yet I have to pay taxes on a property the city decides is worth $207,000.
I will say that in the 90's, I thought Winnipeg was a go-nowhere, do nothing city and now I feel we're moving in the right direction. I cant point to Katz for that but things I do see as good signs:
- The massive amount of major construction. Sure, you could point to some of it and say it's smoke and mirrors, but between the Hydro building, new Airport, new Museum, Stadium, Waverly West, IKEA, ELMS etc, it's VERY significant.
We just need a city planning department that could actually plan for the future. Our road ways are built to handle traffic levels of ten years ago, not today and certainly not 20 years from now.
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Post by tsmof on May 9, 2010 11:20:35 GMT -5
THe conservatives were NOT to blame for the loss of the Jets. Filmon was willing to spend a lot more money than he publicly disclosed to keep the team here. I bought a house for $169,000 yet I have to pay taxes on a property the city decides is worth $207,000. I will say that in the 90's, I thought Winnipeg was a go-nowhere, do nothing city and now I feel we're moving in the right direction. I cant point to Katz for that but things I do see as good signs: - The massive amount of major construction. Sure, you could point to some of it and say it's smoke and mirrors, but between the Hydro building, new Airport, new Museum, Stadium, Waverly West, IKEA, ELMS etc, it's VERY significant. We just need a city planning department that could actually plan for the future. Our road ways are built to handle traffic levels of ten years ago, not today and certainly not 20 years from now. x2 Well said brother
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Post by bm1984 on May 9, 2010 22:47:04 GMT -5
Susan Thompson would be great, just like in 96, she worked hard to get us the Pan American Games that put us on the map, and the benefits can still be felt today from those games.....oh wait, nevermind! You do realize the Pan Am games made a multimillion dollar profit which was used towards the new arena, right? Just saying...
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 9, 2010 23:32:47 GMT -5
You do realize the Pan Am games made a multimillion dollar profit which was used towards the new arena, right? Just saying... Too late....( at the time ) " In 1996, Winnipeg's mayor Susan Thompson spent $130 million of taxpayer money to prepare for the 1999 Pan American Games instead of building an arena for the Jets. The Pan-Am funds were used to improve roads and clean up Winnipeg for the 16-day event. Years later, the $130 million Winnipeg spent has amortized into nothing. Susan Thompson was thinking short-term instead of long-term. The benefits of an arena and a NHL team can be had for decades, while the benefits of new paint and fixed roads were felt for less then a single decade. Had Winnipeg not had such an incompetent mayor at the time, an arena would have been built long ago, and the Jets would still in Winnipeg"
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Post by DEATHBYPOPCORN1990 on May 9, 2010 23:42:54 GMT -5
You do realize the Pan Am games made a multimillion dollar profit which was used towards the new arena, right? Just saying... Too late....( at the time ) " In 1996, Winnipeg's mayor Susan Thompson spent $130 million of taxpayer money to prepare for the 1999 Pan American Games instead of building an arena for the Jets. The Pan-Am funds were used to improve roads and clean up Winnipeg for the 16-day event. Years later, the $130 million Winnipeg spent has amortized into nothing. Susan Thompson was thinking short-term instead of long-term. The benefits of an arena and a NHL team can be had for decades, while the benefits of new paint and fixed roads were felt for less then a single decade. Had Winnipeg not had such an incompetent mayor at the time, an arena would have been built long ago, and the Jets would still in Winnipeg" My point exactly........
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Post by bm1984 on May 10, 2010 12:09:09 GMT -5
You do realize the Pan Am games made a multimillion dollar profit which was used towards the new arena, right? Just saying... Too late....( at the time ) " In 1996, Winnipeg's mayor Susan Thompson spent $130 million of taxpayer money to prepare for the 1999 Pan American Games instead of building an arena for the Jets. The Pan-Am funds were used to improve roads and clean up Winnipeg for the 16-day event. Years later, the $130 million Winnipeg spent has amortized into nothing. Susan Thompson was thinking short-term instead of long-term. The benefits of an arena and a NHL team can be had for decades, while the benefits of new paint and fixed roads were felt for less then a single decade. Had Winnipeg not had such an incompetent mayor at the time, an arena would have been built long ago, and the Jets would still in Winnipeg" I'm all for a reasonable counterpoint to what I said, but this statement has no source or author attributed to it.
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 10, 2010 17:08:44 GMT -5
I'm all for a reasonable counterpoint to what I said, but this statement has no source or author attributed to it. Winnipeg Jets Hockey fans are your source! There is nothing in that statement that isn't true. Nothing.
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Post by bm1984 on May 10, 2010 17:39:33 GMT -5
I'm all for a reasonable counterpoint to what I said, but this statement has no source or author attributed to it. Winnipeg Jets Hockey fans are your source! There is nothing in that statement that isn't true. Nothing. That's debatable. However, again, you can't just throw quotation marks around something and make it a fact.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on May 10, 2010 17:43:42 GMT -5
Good luck to Susan Thompson trying to convince council and taxpayers to let her spend $130 million on an arena. It wouldnt have worked.
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 10, 2010 17:53:23 GMT -5
That's debatable. However, again, you can't just throw quotation marks around something and make it a fact. " What's debatable? It's true.. "
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Post by Ric O. on May 10, 2010 18:48:57 GMT -5
Susan Thompson was an incompetent mayor alright, but basically picked up where the incompetence of Norrie left off.
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Post by tsmof on May 10, 2010 21:58:16 GMT -5
Actually... it may turn out better this way... 15 years without NHL sucked... But we can learn from having a publicly owned facility. I'm glad that Chipman and Co. built it privately. Publicly owned facilities never work out the way a private facility would. A public facility is always forced to source things to low bidders, and swim through red tape 10-fold what a private building would.
Susan Thompson was still very incompetent, however.
Long live privatization! Or, Mr. David Thomson and Mark Chipman may not have a hand to play at the poker game, otherwise.
I also doubt the Pan American games made any profit, for the record. I went to many events (beach volleyball mainly, for obvious reason) and the stands were bare at most events.
But during that 1 year span... we hosted the '98 Grey Cup, '98 Brier and '99 Pan Am Games. It was an attempt to lure in travellers and vistors... 10+ years later, did it work? .... meh.... *shrug shoulders*
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Post by davebabych on May 15, 2010 20:41:39 GMT -5
A guy I went to school with as of today is actually in the race as well. Kinda surprised me! His name is Avery Petrowski. Should be interesting. I heard him speak on CJOB last night. He said he's not a sports fan. Also, he said the Jets didn't work here before so why would they work here again. He at least stated he hasn't done his homework regarding the NHL's return to Winnipeg.
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Post by davebabych on May 15, 2010 21:11:00 GMT -5
I'm all for a reasonable counterpoint to what I said, but this statement has no source or author attributed to it. The quote is from www.jetsin2005.8m.com. The source of the quote is actually me. I didn't save where I got the $130 million figure, but I just did some searching and found the following: - The budget was $141 million, shared by the federal, provincial, and municipal governments. - ticket sales, which is the most important aspect as far as we are concerned, have topped the $11 million mark, www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/08/09/panam990809.html- It is estimated that Winnipeg will spend approximately $425 million in preparing for the games. - It is projected that the games will draw 110,000 visitors and athletes who will put more than $28 million into the Manitoba economy. www.kyokushincanada.com/panamgames/PanamWinnipeg.htmI'm not a big supporter of the Pan Am Games, as I think it's a small time event that cost us far too much. Aside from Winnipeg, I doubt anyone can name another city that has hosted the Pan Am Games. IMO, the money should have been spent more efficiently. Politicians within the province tried to spin the event as something that would put Winnipeg on the map; however, "the Los Angeles Times declared that Winnipeg's Games were 'this summer's place not to be.'" (http://www.encyclopediecanadienne.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0012001) Basically, I just feel all the money spent on the Pan Am Games is a hard pill to swallow given that we had just lost the Jets due to an inability to scrounged up the necessary cash required to keep the team in Winnipeg. I have a Winnipeg Jets game program from 1990 with a written letter to fans from Shenkarow. The letter urged fans to let their Councilors know the Winnipeg Jets needed a new home or they would be forced to move. So apparently, the politicians of this city back in the 90's felt a 2 week sporting event was much more important than a 24 year old professional hockey team. I consider that a mistake in judgment.
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Post by tsmof on May 17, 2010 22:25:58 GMT -5
actually bm1984.... I dont think the pan am games made any profit. I remember attending many events, and they were all empty. Since 1999, Can anyone tell me abything about the Pan Am games since?
Hate to be sour apples, but no one gives a sh1t about the Pan am games.
Public Money is always best spent on infrastructure in my opinion. If you invest in the land, roadways, water and sewer, etc. ... people AND the priavte sector will take care of all the building needs.
I'm glad we didnt spend public money on a new arena... we wouldn't have the freedom to do what we want with the MTS Centre today. Chipman/Thomson... now that they have bought out most, if not all the other investors can do what they want with the building as long as its in accordance to its zoning regulations.
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Post by bm1984 on May 19, 2010 10:22:34 GMT -5
actually bm1984.... I dont think the pan am games made any profit. I remember attending many events, and they were all empty. Winnipeg Sun: Sunday, September 5th, 1999. "The legacy included a $6 million profit, millions of dollars worth of new and renovated facilities, and an immeasurable pride in a job well done..." www.webcitation.org/5idspf7hA
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 19, 2010 13:42:18 GMT -5
actually bm1984.... I dont think the pan am games made any profit. I remember attending many events, and they were all empty. Winnipeg Sun: Sunday, September 5th, 1999. "The legacy included a $6 million profit, millions of dollars worth of new and renovated facilities, and an immeasurable pride in a job well done..." www.webcitation.org/5idspf7hAWow....we spent 130 + millions....and made a WHOPPING 6! We raised 13 Million over the span of a couple days. Pan Am games was a waste of money & time.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on May 19, 2010 14:28:03 GMT -5
Well, factor in the infrastructure though as well. I cant remember off hand what, aside from CanWest Global Park, but I am sure they spent a lot of money on Go Jets Go we still have today.
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Post by bm1984 on May 19, 2010 14:44:32 GMT -5
Winnipeg Sun: Sunday, September 5th, 1999. "The legacy included a $6 million profit, millions of dollars worth of new and renovated facilities, and an immeasurable pride in a job well done..." www.webcitation.org/5idspf7hAWow....we spent 130 + millions....and made a WHOPPING 6! We raised 13 Million over the span of a couple days. Pan Am games was a waste of money & time. I'm pretty sure that's more money than the Jets would have made if we had kept them another three years.
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Post by jhendrix70 on May 19, 2010 22:47:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that's more money than the Jets would have made if we had kept them another three years. Speaking like that; I wonder exactly what you're doing wasting your time here for......
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