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Post by WJG on Feb 2, 2011 1:01:52 GMT -5
According the Skyscraper forum, this is what the proposed expansion of the Convention Center would look like:
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Post by brent006 on Feb 2, 2011 7:09:37 GMT -5
Hhhmmm that rendering looks sooo familiar!! Ha!
I was a part of that...
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Post by shtinky on Feb 2, 2011 9:46:18 GMT -5
Yeah, the Convention Centre will expand...when the governments give them the money to do it. i.e. not anytime soon. They've been pleading for the money for over a decade.
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Post by Chewsonius on Feb 2, 2011 11:10:51 GMT -5
Manitoba Lotteries should consider building a casino downtown. It would pay itself off in no time and would bring people downtown 7 days a week. They should go balls deep and make it the flagship casino for Manitoba - something that will help attract people here. They could take a deadbeat block of downtown and turn it into something really exciting!
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Post by shtinky on Feb 2, 2011 11:28:36 GMT -5
Manitoba Lotteries should consider building a casino downtown. It would pay itself off in no time and would bring people downtown 7 days a week. They should go balls deep and make it the flagship casino for Manitoba - something that will help attract people here. They could take a deadbeat block of downtown and turn it into something really exciting! One kickass casino downtown would beat two lame casinos out in the sticks. That's how Regina does it and it's a great attraction there - always people coming and going. We should take a page out of their book.
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Post by brent006 on Feb 2, 2011 13:16:01 GMT -5
Those lame Go Jets Go casinos are about to get massive renos.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 2, 2011 14:33:12 GMT -5
JH, I dont mean to sound sure of myself because I don't know. Just using logic. Gambling revenue is controversial as it is for the provincial government and there exists a moratorium on new VLT's. I find it highly unlikely they would allow a private business to own and operate a casino. It would open up an argument from other business people that they should be allowed to do so as well.
If the province opened a casino downtown (which I feel is not unlikely since there was always talk of them wanting to replace the Crystal Casino), it would also seem unlikely they would pay a private business to operate it since they already operate their own casinos.
Maybe Im missing something.
Also, would a hotel at the Convention Centre impact the proposed boutique hotel that TN would own and operate? Might TN be interested in buying the Delta to serve their own hotel needs as well as provide a hotel for the Convention Centre and a casino? Perhaps some partnership between MLC/Convention Centre/TN?
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Post by flippy on Feb 2, 2011 15:20:03 GMT -5
Hhhmmm that rendering looks sooo familiar!! Ha! I was a part of that... Which direction is that mockup facing? Just trying to get my bearings on it...
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Post by brent006 on Feb 2, 2011 15:30:07 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, it is facing east. The existing building is on the left and the "bridge" crosses over York. New building is in the existing parking lot. That rendering is probably about 5 years old now.
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Post by ps241 on Feb 2, 2011 16:40:24 GMT -5
JH, I dont mean to sound sure of myself because I don't know. Just using logic. Gambling revenue is controversial as it is for the provincial government and there exists a moratorium on new VLT's. I find it highly unlikely they would allow a private business to own and operate a casino. It would open up an argument from other business people that they should be allowed to do so as well. If the province opened a casino downtown (which I feel is not unlikely since there was always talk of them wanting to replace the Crystal Casino), it would also seem unlikely they would pay a private business to operate it since they already operate their own casinos. Maybe Im missing something. Also, would a hotel at the Convention Centre impact the proposed boutique hotel that TN would own and operate? Might TN be interested in buying the Delta to serve their own hotel needs as well as provide a hotel for the Convention Centre and a casino? Perhaps some partnership between MLC/Convention Centre/TN? No I am pretty sure lotteries would own and operate the casino but they could direct all or a percentage of profits back into the SHED development.....there would be some flexibility there I'm sure......MPI and Lotteries are very committed to the NHL and what it will do to the SHED, city, and province......think of this as an investment .....TNSE might benefit directly if they are the driver of the SHED visa vi there commitment of $170 plus million to an NHL team and their investment into the MTS centre As for the hotel at the MTS centre I am sure TNSE would be the landlord but not the Owner or operator of the hotel since that is not their core business...but that is a guess and if the convention centre expands and the NHL comes back i am guessing they will need the additional rooms And both projects would be viable Last time I checked occupancy rates and rack rates were very solid in downtown Winnipeg but it's been a while since I did the numbers
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Post by Ducky on Feb 2, 2011 16:56:46 GMT -5
I would like to see one huge casino in this city only being downtown but I am just dreaming. However a casino may be a revenue generator for the government and the hotels it wouldn't really help out downtown commerce much since the gamblers will spend most of their money in the casino.
Since all walls block off the outside world and there is no clock inside the gamblers will trap themselves in the casino rather than taking a stroll downtown for sightseeing and spend money around downtown. If restaurants in the casinos were not closed off to the outside world then it would make a huge difference to the economic impact of downtown
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 2, 2011 17:58:02 GMT -5
^^^that's a good point. But I think the idea would be perhaps a nicer style of casino that attracts casual gamblers too. Vegas has a ton of casinos but there is a million other things to do and people moving in and out of the casinos.
A casino could anchor a lot of traffic.
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Post by drewinator87 on Mar 4, 2011 18:46:57 GMT -5
In regards to the Cityplace comments, the structural part of it is the renovations to the massive parking lot that is inside the building. as for the rest of the repairs I would assume are just maintenance. This is coming from a person that works in the mall area of cityplace.
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Post by enarwpg on Mar 4, 2011 23:43:09 GMT -5
ALl this talk of a casino for TN is a red herring. The government will not allow True North or any other private business to own and operate a casino. We're assuming that development of City Place would be done by True North but I dont think that has to be the case. We know TN has made an investment in the area and will likely continue to make an investment in the area, but it would not surprise me to see the Province heavily involved in redevelopment along with the city and other interested parties including MPI. If a downtown casino is in the cards, it will be owned and operated by MLC. But that's a good relationship right next to the Arena. Could TN and partners be interested in buying the Delta? Excerpt from a June 25, 2010 Winnipeg Free Press article.... ..."Downtown development agency CentreVenture is working with Longboat Properties -- a real-estate company owned by Winnipeg's Chipman family -- to redevelop land across from MTS Centre as part of a broader plan to create a new sports, hospitality and entertainment district that would encompass several blocks of downtown Winnipeg. The redevelopment of the Mitchell Copp and A&B Sound buildings on the north side of Portage Avenue into a new commercial and hotel development would be a piece of a plan to revitalize the most development-resistant stretch of Portage Avenue, CentreVenture CEO Ross McGowan said."... source: is.gd/aYmo6a .. ;D
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Post by Ducky on Mar 6, 2011 12:38:07 GMT -5
I think we could see a casino built and Canad'Inns hotel on the lot owned by MPI just across the street, south west of city place/MPI head-offices Since they did state that lot is for sale at about a month ago...
I wonder how many floors it will be, hopefully not too high because we don't need shadows casted on this narrow graham avenue.
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Post by funkmanchu on Mar 6, 2011 16:12:03 GMT -5
Is it possible that the block directly north of MTS Centre is to be redeveloped? MTS Exibition Hall is over after the Titantic exhibition leaves. I think only one of the buildings on the block has a heritage status. A hotel/casino/parking development with skwalk to MTS Centre and a back exit to the Burton theatre may make sense.
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Post by skidooboy1 on Mar 6, 2011 17:49:14 GMT -5
Casino's seem doubtful in my mind
unless the NDP does a 180 on Casino's i don't see it
the policy is only casino's opperated by first nations are allowed right now. We had this discussion in Brandon a while back and it was firmly held by the govt that that was the ONLY WAY a casinpo was gonna be developed in Manitoba while they were in power.
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Post by tim on Mar 6, 2011 17:52:04 GMT -5
Unless all this was passed by gov a few years ago???
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Post by enarwpg on Mar 6, 2011 19:06:33 GMT -5
Is it possible that the block directly north of MTS Centre is to be redeveloped? MTS Exibition Hall is over after the Titantic exhibition leaves. I think only one of the buildings on the block has a heritage status. A hotel/casino/parking development with skwalk to MTS Centre and a back exit to the Burton theatre may make sense. Apparently Chipman (Longboat Properties) owns whatever percentage of the block already....
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Post by funkmanchu on Mar 6, 2011 19:45:10 GMT -5
Is it possible that the block directly north of MTS Centre is to be redeveloped? MTS Exibition Hall is over after the Titantic exhibition leaves. I think only one of the buildings on the block has a heritage status. A hotel/casino/parking development with skwalk to MTS Centre and a back exit to the Burton theatre may make sense. Apparently Chipman (Longboat Properties) owns whatever percentage of the block already.... The flag poll on the building in the pic is what (not sure if this is still current) the city used to show that buildings are designated as a heritage building. You see these on most 100 year old buildings in the downtown. That would be a killer entrance to an entertainment complex or botique hotel.
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