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Post by brightwite on Mar 24, 2011 23:15:53 GMT -5
I'm young, I want change. Baby boomers want the Jets so they can re-live something. The Moose brand is big with the young crowd. The FUTURE crowd. Get with the times. Absolute nonsense. I hope 20 years from now, after you have given your heart and soul to our new NHL team "the young and future crowd" demands to change the name because they want something new. That's not nonsense. Serredy is young and has no emotional connection to the name Jets. Rather see something else. Good for him. What I find strange is that the people who are old enough to have experienced the Jets would really care what the name ends up being.
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Post by Bob E on Mar 25, 2011 0:46:02 GMT -5
as long as it's not Moose.
If they believe the Jets is a brand that did not have success, the Moose isn't a perennial champion either. Players come and go and play for the Canucks, aggghhhhh!
To Canuck fans and many Winnipeg hockey fans, keeping the Moose brand would be like the Canucks playing their farm team. That would take years to overcome, if ever.
Something completely different from Jets or Moose would be fresh. I might be able to live with the name not being Jets - but i don't think i can embrace the team if it was the Moose. hate to say it, but it's just the way i feel.
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Post by The Winning Pegs on Mar 25, 2011 6:13:30 GMT -5
not sure where to put this but i think i found the song we should use for our opening
"civilization" by justice
its in the new adidas ad that i had to look up, my favorite advertisement of all time now
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 25, 2011 8:45:35 GMT -5
as long as it's not Moose. If they believe the Jets is a brand that did not have success, the Moose isn't a perennial champion either. Players come and go and play for the Canucks, aggghhhhh! To Canuck fans and many Winnipeg hockey fans, keeping the Moose brand would be like the Canucks playing their farm team. That would take years to overcome, if ever. Something completely different from Jets or Moose would be fresh. I might be able to live with the name not being Jets - but i don't think i can embrace the team if it was the Moose. hate to say it, but it's just the way i feel. I have to agree. The only arguement that holds any weight, in my opinion, to support changing a name is that people want a "fresh start". Personally, I think that a fresh start is a crazy idea when their is already immense fan loyalty and passion surrounding the Jets brand, but if TNSE is intent on a "fresh start" than how would Moose accomplish that? Regardless of the name, every sports station is going to be running a segment of highlights from the Jets era transitioning to the Moose, for decades team accomplishments will be compared to what the Jets did in the 70's, 80s and 90s. No matter what you call the team, people aren't going to just forget we had the Jets... the comparisons will happen no matter what. So to me, why not embrace that passion that already exists? A fresh start will never erase memories of the Jets that generations of Winnipegers already love, including those of us like me that can say we've had the Moose for longer than we were alive for the Jets. But again, if the name has to change from Jets, just please don't make it Moose, because that will only lead to more and more comparisons of our time as Vancouvers farm team...
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 25, 2011 9:12:10 GMT -5
to normdupont and jetsorbust - That is why I commented that I think it is like a kind of partnership between the owners and the fans. Neither can take the other for granted if it is going to work. Both contribute in very different ways. I think that the vast majority of the posters at this site who were around at least during the NHL era, will agree with what I am about to say. I have concluded for myself that I ****WILL***** support this team unconditionally, during loss years, slumps, etc. I think we would all like to make this the most successful NHL franchise, in terms of fan support, maybe only behind Toronto and Montreal (NY?). I would love to see every game sold out every year. Let's do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't agree with you more. We the fans would be no where without TNSE, and TNSE would be no where without us fans (and future paying customers). I have no doubt that TNSE is aware of that, they didn't become successful businessmen by not satisfying their customers. The 'name debate' to me is really about two things: 1) Discussing what the effect would be, if any, on the bottom line of the team of Jets, Moose or anything else. 2) Trying to remind True North, respectfully, about how much passion there is behind the Jets name. I think we can do that quite respectfully through DKehler's petition, and I highly doubt True North would be upset to receive it. I don't know if it will have any effect on their plans, but it absolutely couldn't hurt anything. If you agree, sign DKehler's petition (http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39649.html), and pass the word on. If you don't agree, just don't sign the petition but I don't see why people get so worked up by the fact that many people care about the Jets name. Most people will support the team regardless of the name. I know I will, but for me it would be not quite the same. Like wt has said, I wouldn't be rushing out to buy merchandise like I would if it's the JETS coming back home, but I will be buying season tickets regardless. But all around the world there are Jets fans, and here in Winnipeg, whether people like it or not, there are people that wouldn't connect with the team if it goes by another name. It's hard to say how many, but would anyone really be turned off if it WAS called the Jets?
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Post by DKehler on Mar 25, 2011 11:03:25 GMT -5
Absolute nonsense. I hope 20 years from now, after you have given your heart and soul to our new NHL team "the young and future crowd" demands to change the name because they want something new. That's not nonsense. Serredy is young and has no emotional connection to the name Jets. Rather see something else. Good for him. What I find strange is that the people who are old enough to have experienced the Jets would really care what the name ends up being. It IS nonsense, sorry. There'll always be young people that have no emotional connection to a given name. Should we change names then to accommodate them at the expense of people who DO have an emotional connection to a given name? No, because that would be silly. If there's one thing that the petition has shown, it's that there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way that I do, that being that we still feel a strong emotional bond with the Winnipeg Jets name. That bond and loyalty does not come easy and why True North would not take advantage of such a thing is beyond reason, in my opinion.
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Post by CuJo31 on Mar 25, 2011 18:26:32 GMT -5
That's not nonsense. Serredy is young and has no emotional connection to the name Jets. Rather see something else. Good for him. What I find strange is that the people who are old enough to have experienced the Jets would really care what the name ends up being. It IS nonsense, sorry. There'll always be young people that have no emotional connection to a given name. Should we change names then to accommodate them at the expense of people who DO have an emotional connection to a given name? No, because that would be silly. If there's one thing that the petition has shown, it's that there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way that I do, that being that we still feel a strong emotional bond with the Winnipeg Jets name. That bond and loyalty does not come easy and why True North would not take advantage of such a thing is beyond reason, in my opinion. Im 18 and I personally feel like I have an emotional attatchment to the name Jets. I may not be old enough to remember the games but I learned about them and know what that team ment to Winnipeg. Even today at all major events, go jets go chants randomly break out all over North America, wherever Winnipegers may be! All of my friends and most people my age that I have talked to refer to the return of the NHL as the Jets. Its a big part of our City's history. Who cares about the young people who don't want the team to be called Jets, its not like they should have a reason to be upset about that name (maybe do some research or talk to people in the City who can describe to you what the Jets ment to our community and grow a passion for the team). Or your love for the Jets can start from scratch in 2011 if you have no desire for the past Jets, just like it would for Moose, Falcons or any other fresh name you want. There is however a reason for the people who grew an emotional and passionate attatchment to the Jets (whether it be from the ROTJ campaign or actually going to watch them when they were here) to be mad if our franchise returns under a different name.
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Post by DKehler on Mar 25, 2011 21:27:55 GMT -5
It IS nonsense, sorry. There'll always be young people that have no emotional connection to a given name. Should we change names then to accommodate them at the expense of people who DO have an emotional connection to a given name? No, because that would be silly. If there's one thing that the petition has shown, it's that there are a lot of people out there that feel the same way that I do, that being that we still feel a strong emotional bond with the Winnipeg Jets name. That bond and loyalty does not come easy and why True North would not take advantage of such a thing is beyond reason, in my opinion. Im 18 and I personally feel like I have an emotional attatchment to the name Jets. I may not be old enough to remember the games but I learned about them and know what that team ment to Winnipeg. Even today at all major events, go jets go chants randomly break out all over North America, wherever Winnipegers may be! All of my friends and most people my age that I have talked to refer to the return of the NHL as the Jets. Its a big part of our City's history. Who cares about the young people who don't want the team to be called Jets, its not like they should have a reason to be upset about that name (maybe do some research or talk to people in the City who can describe to you what the Jets ment to our community and grow a passion for the team). Or your love for the Jets can start from scratch in 2011 if you have no desire for the past Jets, just like it would for Moose, Falcons or any other fresh name you want. There is however a reason for the people who grew an emotional and passionate attatchment to the Jets (whether it be from the ROTJ campaign or actually going to watch them when they were here) to be mad if our franchise returns under a different name. You are wise beyond your years.
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Post by brightwite on Mar 25, 2011 22:29:26 GMT -5
That's not nonsense. Serredy is young and has no emotional connection to the name Jets. Rather see something else. Good for him. What I find strange is that the people who are old enough to have experienced the Jets would really care what the name ends up being. It IS nonsense, sorry. There'll always be young people that have no emotional connection to a given name. Should we change names then to accommodate them at the expense of people who DO have an emotional connection to a given name? No, because that would be silly. . That's way too broad. In this case the product hasn't been around for 15 years, and is being brought back by different ownership. The people who like the idea of a fresh start aren't being nonsensical. Nonsensical would be changing the name of the Blue Bombers.
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Post by maniaaron on Mar 25, 2011 22:45:57 GMT -5
CoJo31 said it best , i hope TNSE is on these boards. NBC compare not calling the team JETS to the islanders fisherman logo,very bad idea.
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Post by DKehler on Mar 26, 2011 12:52:06 GMT -5
It IS nonsense, sorry. There'll always be young people that have no emotional connection to a given name. Should we change names then to accommodate them at the expense of people who DO have an emotional connection to a given name? No, because that would be silly. . That's way too broad. In this case the product hasn't been around for 15 years, and is being brought back by different ownership. The people who like the idea of a fresh start aren't being nonsensical. Nonsensical would be changing the name of the Blue Bombers. The actual team may not have been here the past 15 years, but their presence has lived on through all sorts of merchandise etc. That branding and brand loyalty is very strong still and, as many people have argued, it would be extremely shortsighted to overlook that when deciding on what the team name should be. It is not insignificant, no matter how much you may personally not care. If True North does decide to go in a different direction, that of course is their prerogative, but it may very well end up biting them somehow, and since we all want the team to be as successful as it can possibly be, I don't know why they would take that chance.
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Post by winnipegjets4ever on Mar 26, 2011 14:46:08 GMT -5
The actual team may not have been here the past 15 years, but their presence has lived on through all sorts of merchandise etc. That branding and brand loyalty is very strong still and, as many people have argued, it would be extremely shortsighted to overlook that when deciding on what the team name should be. It is not insignificant, no matter how much you may personally not care. If True North does decide to go in a different direction, that of course is their prerogative, but it may very well end up biting them somehow, and since we all want the team to be as successful as it can possibly be, I don't know why they would take that chance. This is very true. Their presence/legacy has also lived on and has been introduced to a new generation waiting to welcome back the Jets, through stories (and scrapbooks ) some of us share with our children. My young son had not yet been born when the Jets left, but he wears his Jets shirt with pride. The team should definitely be named the Jets - the connection to the name is as strong as ever.
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Post by DowntownBooster on Mar 26, 2011 15:04:28 GMT -5
DKehler, I think some posters just don't understand how much the Jets name means to some of us and there will be no way to convince them. Their mind is made up that they want a fresh start and they won't accept it any other way. You'll read comments from alot of them saying the team name doesn't matter as long as we get the NHL back but at the same time they don't want it to be "Jets". I think those of us that have been around a bit longer appreciate what heritage means and the importance of preserving it. Players also recognize when a team has a history to it and realize that the fans have a higher expectation based on what has transpired in the past.
One of the arguments they give for a name change is because of some of the early exits from the playoffs that the Jets endured. If a name change is to be based soley on that reason then the Leafs should be changing their name every other year since they have sucked longer than any team around. Then there is also the merchandise argument that a new name and logo would mean an increase in sales. It's funny that we don't hear Habs fans say "jeez, we've had these red, blue and white jerseys and that CH logo for a hundred years, isn't it time for a change?". The Canadiens merchandise continues to sell very well without changing logos, colours and team name.
Some have made the comment that Mark Chipman wants to put his own stamp on his team and believe that he wouldn't want to use the "Jets" name because of all the efforts he has put into branding and marketing the "Moose" name. I for one don't believe that Mark has a big ego and thinks in that way. I think he may very well understand the significance of the fans desires here to have the team called "Winnipeg Jets" again. Why discard the rich history we have? It would truly right a wrong if we get a team back and call it the Winnipeg Jets.
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Post by WJG on Mar 26, 2011 15:09:43 GMT -5
I just posted this in another thread, but I think "Falcons" only happen if the Thrashers come here.
-Falcons and Thrashers are both types of birds, allowing TNSE to honor the original team. -The Winnipeg Falcons were a historic hockey team from the 1920's, allowing TNSE to honor local hockey history.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 27, 2011 20:02:01 GMT -5
I just posted this in another thread, but I think "Falcons" only happen if the Thrashers come here. -Falcons and Thrashers are both types of birds, allowing TNSE to honor the original team. -The Winnipeg Falcons were a historic hockey team from the 1920's, allowing TNSE to honor local hockey history. I hear what your saying, but isn't it also kind of MORE weird if we get Atlanta to call them the falcons? Considering there is an Atlanta Falcons team in the NFL. I realize the connection to the Winnipeg Falcons from the 50's that won the Olympics, but to be honest with you, the more I've heard Falcons the less I actually like it... at first it was my #2 choice but I honestly like it less and less all the time... just my opinion but it seems overused. Anyways, if it's not Jets I won't like anything all that much, although any 3rd jersey throwback to the Jets would help bridge that gap... it would still seem wierd though because your going to get GO JETS GO chants anyways. Anywho, my only point when I started this rant was that wouldn't it be kind of weird to take a team from Atlanta and then name it after the Atlanta Falcons?
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Post by WPGISNHL on Mar 28, 2011 1:21:06 GMT -5
....If True North does decide to go in a different direction, that of course is their prerogative, but it may very well end up biting them somehow, and since we all want the team to be as successful as it can possibly be, I don't know why they would take that chance. Maybe...just maybe...TNSE know (or are confident at the very least) that they really are not "taking that chance" that you personally feel is so obvious!? Maybe the unknown road is and will be better than the known...in terms of relating it to the success of the franchise!? True leaders and pioneers do not typically fear the unknown...other often do.
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 28, 2011 8:04:20 GMT -5
....If True North does decide to go in a different direction, that of course is their prerogative, but it may very well end up biting them somehow, and since we all want the team to be as successful as it can possibly be, I don't know why they would take that chance. Maybe...just maybe...TNSE know (or are confident at the very least) that they really are not "taking that chance" that you personally feel is so obvious!? Maybe the unknown road is and will be better than the known...in terms of relating it to the success of the franchise!? True leaders and pioneers do not typically fear the unknown...other often do. I understand your point, but are we really talking about the unknown here? We know that the Jets have a loyal following and worldwide brand recognition. And we know that there will be at least some people who who are turned off by a new name, to varying degrees. I just don't see what they have to gain. In 20 years, it won't matter what the name of the team is. The only possible difference the team name could make is in the short term, and I just think there's a way higher risk of alienating some of your potential fanbase than... well, frankly I don't see the downside of naming the team the Jets. It seems like a strange business decision to go against the vast majority of customers' desire, that is all I can think about the name. Either way though, I just hope we officially find out what name they are planning on going with in the very near future!
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Post by crazycanuck on Mar 28, 2011 9:52:46 GMT -5
I love and want the Jets name back but will support anything. Having said that, for all you Jets name haters why do you think that way? Even if there was never a Jets team in Winnipeg isn't the name very cool? Jets to me means power and speed which is exactly what you want in a hockey team. We also have a significant Aerospace industry in Winnipeg so the name ties in nicely with that as well. I just don't get the hatred for the name
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Post by jetsorbust on Mar 28, 2011 12:31:50 GMT -5
I noticed this comment on a thread about someones vacation in Vegas: (http://returnofthejets.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ROTJ&thread=12983&page=1#217640) This is the kind of stuff I like reading actually. The MSM likes to report Winnipeg is a last ditch plan and no one outside of Manitoba supports the cause. It's cool to hear that the average person in Cali or Vegas or wherever not only recognize our logo from 15 years ago but support the return of the Jets. Good stuff! My personal opinion is they should name the team the Jets, roughly 80% of people agree with me, but there are people who disagree. That's fine, but I think it's hard to dispute that the Jets are a recognized brand around the world. I really do believe that TNSE could be losing out on a lot of merchandising opportunites worldwide if they go with a different name. I know on vacations I've been on, I've bumped into people from all around the world who recognized the Jets and just had to give a high five or something. That sort of love for the team exists, why not take advantage of it?
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Post by DKehler on Mar 28, 2011 13:31:16 GMT -5
....If True North does decide to go in a different direction, that of course is their prerogative, but it may very well end up biting them somehow, and since we all want the team to be as successful as it can possibly be, I don't know why they would take that chance. Maybe...just maybe...TNSE know (or are confident at the very least) that they really are not "taking that chance" that you personally feel is so obvious!? Maybe the unknown road is and will be better than the known...in terms of relating it to the success of the franchise!? True leaders and pioneers do not typically fear the unknown...other often do. What you're saying makes no sense to me, sorry. At best, the new name will eventually garner the same amount of loyalty and brand recognition as the Winnipeg Jets name already does. In the long term, any gains beyond that would have also been achieved if the name had stayed the same. Bottom line: We KNOW there are people out there that rightly or wrongly will support the team less if it's not named the Jets. We certainly do not know of people who would support it less if it IS named the Jets.
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